Assalaam walaikum,
Slow it down.
OK..what is going on in Syria is not an Islamic problem. It is a political/tribal issue. The politics are overriding the religious issues.
There are provisions in Islam for all issues.
We are not silent.
And lets think about this..there are posts that are blaming Muslims for non-activity. That is ludicrious.
W do not have jihad in Syria as this is tribal. We need to get resolution by the provisions in Islam.
I am going to ignore all other comments as they are not respectful to this discussion.
Assalamu allaicum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu dear brothers and sisters
I thought it can be usefull to post Inshallah that my sister friend from Syria informed me that what is happening in Syria is that Syria is exposing to a big conspiracy for its supporting attitudes to Palestine,and that it is media war who wish to devide their country and are trying to present Syria as destroyed. Although they are some areas which have been attacked by terrorists, still there are some parts of Syria which are safe Alhamdulilah.
May Allah protect all our Muslim brothers and sisters in Syria and all our Ummah.Ameen
Assalaam walaikum,
It is not that I am living in a bubble...nothing has been presented to that this is a religious issue without any cause to think. That there is that line wherein a Believer has no choice but to pick up that sword for the Love and Fear of Allah.
I am asking for evidence that is agreed upon by all believers.
It is needed. What are the absolute conditions for calling a Muslim an apostate; or calling a Muslim a kufr. And what are the options available to the oppressed in Syria.
BTW to "sisterharb" Saudi Arabia sent weapons to the Sunni Rebels which American opposes. This nonsense of Shias being Anti-West and Sunni Leaders being puppets is all but nonsense. The only ones who are the puppets of the west are the Shias in Iran. They were put there by the British when they helped Iran become what it is right now.
Assalaam walaikum,
It is not that I am living in a bubble...nothing has been presented to that this is a religious issue without any cause to think. That there is that line wherein a Believer has no choice but to pick up that sword for the Love and Fear of Allah.
I am asking for evidence that is agreed upon by all believers.
It is needed. What are the absolute conditions for calling a Muslim an apostate; or calling a Muslim a kufr. And what are the options available to the oppressed in Syria.
Who helped the Sauds in war against the Ottamans? The british! & it was the CIA that ousted that Shah of Iran to put the mullahs in charge.
Lets not forget too that the Saudi goverment improsend many scholars who spoke out against their rule in supporting the west,pot calling the kettle black.
1. Go and talk to the Palestinians in Lebanon and ask them about the Nusayries and the Syrian Government and what they did to them. They used to take Sunnis and throw them from Buildings in Tripoli.
2. Who is your Syrian Friend? What is her religion?
3. These are the Terrorists according to you?
:salam2:
Get your history correct. The Ottoman invaded the Najd and killed the grandsons of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, killed and slaughtered the people who were spreading the dawa'h of tawheed. The Ottomans were never in Najd during the time of Muhammad ibn Saud. Ottomon's invaded the Najd after the first Saudi state was established and it was a Islamic kingship and people had given them bayyah. How was that invasion islamic? Killing people who propogate tawheed. Please do not bring unrelated events here to show your hate towards Saudi Arabia. Look at the shirk happening in other countries.
Hate towards Saudia Arabia? to be soft lad.
You dont know me or my history to call me a hater of the Saudi Monarchy.
Check your history on the subject.
:salam2:
Yes, I don't know you. But, you accuse Saudi Arabia of supporting the west which shows your hate, apparently. We shouldn't be speaking of things we do not know clearly. I have confirmed what I said. The ottomans were spreading sufism. I am implying blaming Saudi or arguing about it isn't going to benefit anyone and there is no knowledge in it. Read the history books written by Ibn Ghannam. Not, the propaganda spread by the Sufis.
Can you point out where i accused saudi arabia of supporting the west? & i you really that clued up that you can see hatred on a forum?
I dont throw things out there on the forum without facts to back it up hence the reason i asked you to check your history.
Im not interested in the fact the Ottamans were spreading sufism what i was calling out was the Saudi founder King Abdul aziz Al Saud had the support of the British in removing the Ottamans,something which you disputed.
It suited the agenda of the British in removing the influence the Ottamans had in the region.
Wether you like it or not the Royal family of Al Saud could do more on the international state in dealing with the affairs of the muslims and the persecution they face at the very hands of their Allies.
Take Makkah & Madinah away from the saudi family what do they represent? They only recently removed the Title of King and replaced it with the Custodian Of The tow Holy masjids.
Do you think they cannot pressure the USA in alleviating the daily pressure the palestinians face? support the struggle of Masjid Al-Aqsa? no they are interested in removing a thorn in the sides of the Israelis which is the Iranians and Assad.
Lets not forget too that the Saudi goverment improsend many scholars who spoke out against their rule in supporting the west,pot calling the kettle black.
:salam2:
You are really speaking politics now, which is waste of my time. As for you accusing Saudi Arabia of supporting west. I quote you:
I am sorry if I wronged you.
Baarakallahu feekum
Lets not forget too that the Saudi goverment improsend many scholars who spoke out against their rule in supporting the west,pot calling the kettle black.
The Scholars spoke out not me! read it again.
Dont worry about wronging me im too old for that nonsense.
It is well established in the Mighty Book (Qur`an) that we are commanded to obey the ruler. Allaah put obeying the rulers after obeying Him and obeying the Messenger (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam). There are many ahaadeeth in the purified Sunnah, i.e. the main collections, and other books that state that it is obligatory to obey them [the rulers] and to be patient with their oppression.
One of the ahaadeeth in which the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) commanded us to obey them [the rulers] consists of the words: '...even if he beats your back and takes your money.' It is also authentically reported on him (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) that he said: 'Give them what they are entitled to (of rights), and ask Allaah for what you are entitled to (of rights).'
Verily there will be rulers who will be above you and you will know of (some of) what they do and you will wonder about some of what they do. [Meaning you approve of some and disapprove of some of what they do]. They said, 'What do you command us to do o Messenger of Allaah?' Shall we not raise the swords to their faces (i.e. fight them)?' He said, No, give them their right and ask Allaah for what is your right (that has been taken from you by them).
The Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) was asked regarding the unjust rulers, 'Shall we not fight them?' to which he (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) responded: No, except if you see a very clear kufr from them and you have proof from Allaah that this is kufr. In another narration this is explained further, he (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) said, No, as long as they do not prevent you from salaah
He who wants to give the ruler advise, do not advise him openly, but inform (advise) him secretly. And if he obeys (accepts), then that is good. And if he does not, then you have done that which is upon you.
It is reported that the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) said, There will be rulers who will come amongst you who will delay the prayer from its time. They asked, 'What should we do?' He (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) said, 'Pray in your homes at the time of the prayer and then pray with them.' They asked why he (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) advised them with that and he (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) said: So that the blood will not be shed.
Al-Irbaad ibn Saariyah (radialahu 'anhu) reported: One day the Messenger of Allaah (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) delivered to us a very eloquent khutbah on account of which eyes shed tears and hearts...due to what was in it. A man said: 'O Messenger of Allaah, this is as if it were a parting advice. So advise us.'
He (salallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) said: I admonish you to fear Allaah, to listen and obey (to the rulers) even if an Abyssinian (Ethiopian) slave is appointed as your leader. For whosoever among you shall live after me, will see much discord.
It his been narrated through a different chain of transmitters, on the authority of Hudhaifa ibn al-Yaman (radiallaahu 'anhu) who said: Messenger of Allaah, no doubt, we had an evil time (i. e. the days of Jahiliyya or ignorance) and Allaah brought us a good time (i. e. Islamic period) through which we are now living. Will there be a bad time after this good time? He (the Prophet) said: Yes. I said: Will there be a good time after this bad time? He said: Yes. I said: Will there be a bad time after this good time? He said: Yes. I said: How? Whereupon he said:
There will be leaders who will not lead by my guidance and who will not adopt my ways? There will be among them men who will have the hearts of devils in the bodies of human beings. I said: What should I do, o Messenger of Allah, if I (happen) to live in that time? He replied:
You will listen to the Amir and carry out his orders; even if your back is flogged and your wealth is snatched, you should listen and obey.(Muslim)
The only thing we as muslims who inshallah are following the manhadj salaf as salah is making dua for our muslim brothers and sisters.
O you who have believed, fear Allah and give up what remains [due to you] of interest, if you should be believers.
And if you do not, then be informed of a war [against you] from Allah and His Messenger. But if you repent, you may have your principal - [thus] you do no wrong, nor are you wronged.