The amazing song of Paul Potts.

BGfromGB

Junior Member
Did any of you folk out there watch the "Britain's got Talent " show last week? Paul Potts was absolutely amazing. His God given talents absolutely blew me over and brought a lump or two to my throat.

Surely this cannot be considered to be haraam. If it is then how can that possibly be so????

God has truly bestowed an amazing talent on this young man. Not only to him but also the composers for writing such a beautiful piece of music. He has been given this wonderful talent by God and has used this opportunity to show us all what God does do for us. I praise God for that.

There's plenty of him on youtube in case no one saw it.

I wish Paul all the best for the future
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
Singing isn't haram. Its the rest of music that some consider to be haram. There are several threads on the topic if you search for it.
 

Steve940

Junior Member
Surely this cannot be considered to be haraam. If it is then how can that possibly be so????

God has truly bestowed an amazing talent on this young man.

Just because someone has a talent, doesn't mean that it is halal. Like the kayleigh said, the singing isn't haram, but musical instruments are.

For instance, a person might have a natural talent at an evil deed. They might be outstandingly skilled in doing that deed, but that doesn't make what they are doing correct in the sight of Allah swt. We follow the Qu'ran and Sunnah and music is haram and so we don't listen to it or make it.

I hope you understand what I mean

:salam2:
 

ripefig

Junior Member
I had to look it up:SMILY335: I guess the best way to sum it up is as the old saying goes "BEAUTY IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER" Lol:SMILY27:
 

Doris

Junior Member
Bismilah,

I do not understand what are you brothers and sisters claiming about singing and music, but one thing you should know for certain. Do not say things that you have not knowledge about. There is no doubt that music is HARAM.There are ayats and hadiths about this subject. Be true with your selves just say it openly "I like to listen to music" ,but don't play around with the ayats and hadiths. I advice my self and everybody else in here to study more this deen and take care of our faith better.

Doris
 

ansari

STRANGER...
:salam2: brothers and sisters

if there is a song with music in it...then its HARAM...if song does not have music then its ok HAlal...like we have nasheeds they are halal but not all nasheeds are halal...NASHEEDS WITH MUSICAL INSTURMENTS ARE HARAM


JAZAKALLAH KHAIR
 

island muslim

Junior Member
Bismilah,

I do not understand what are you brothers and sisters claiming about singing and music, but one thing you should know for certain. Do not say things that you have not knowledge about. There is no doubt that music is HARAM.There are ayats and hadiths about this subject. Be true with your selves just say it openly "I like to listen to music" ,but don't play around with the ayats and hadiths. I advice my self and everybody else in here to study more this deen and take care of our faith better.

Doris

Salaam Alaiykum sister Doris,

Please note , NO brother or sister is trying to make music HALAL here. BGfromGB is NOT a muslim. He is here hopefully to learn about Islam and muslims.
 

BGfromGB

Junior Member
Its music again.

Thanks folks again for sharing those comments of yours. Could any of you share with me a verse or verses from the Qur'an where it says musical instruments are haraam.

Yes I have been told about "idle talk" which is mentioned in the Qur'an. But then how would this beuatiful piece of music accompanied by an orchestra fall under this category of "idle talk". Idle talk can encompass a multitude of other things. Not only music.

I understand that listening to songs that enhance sex drugs etc is sinful. But to listen to instrumental music ie piano, violin, trumpet etc is sinful is beyond me. And to the caller about a person who has a tallent does not mean its halal. I say this. God gave each and every one of us a talent. Some use it, some abuse it. In sport, recreation, business and yes even music/musical instruments. Paul Potts is a fine example of how God made him realise his hidden talent at a later age of his life and i along with many millions of listeners, and many muslims (that I'm sure of, but sadly, too scared to admit it), accept that He (paul) has in no way abused his god given talent.
 

island muslim

Junior Member
BGfromGB,

Please REFRAIN from teaching ISLAM to MUSLIMS on this forum since you are NOT A MUSLIM.

THERE ARE MANY THREADS ON THE MATTER OF MUSIC BEING HALAL AND HARAM SO NEED FOR THIS DICUSSION HERE. BGFROMGB CAN REFER TO THE THREADS.

THANK YOU.
 

Bluegazer

Junior Member
Hello BGfromGB,


The following is the religious opinion [fatwa] of Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid. It's his answer to question no. 5011 [Ruling on so-called “Islamic” songs with musical instruments]:

Question:

i would like to know if muslims are allowed to lisen to islamic songs with instruments in it. please answer by using the quran and the sunnah or ijmaa.


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

The aayaat of the Qur’aan and the Ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) indicate that musical instruments are condemned, and warn us against them. The Qur’aan teaches that playing these instruments is one of the things that leads people astray and constitutes mockery of the Signs of Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (men) from the Path of Allaah, without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allaah, the Verses of the Qur’aan) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire).” [Luqmaan 31:6]

Most of the scholars interpreted lahw al-hadeeth (“idle talk”) as meaning singing and musical instruments, and every voice that diverts people from the truth.

Al-Tabari (Jaami’ al-Bayaan, 15/118-119), Ibn Abi’l-Dunya (Dham al-Malaahi, 33) and Ibn al-Jawzi (Talbees Iblees, 232) all reported that concerning the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“[Allaah said to Shaytaan;] ‘And istafziz [literally means befool them gradually] those whom you can with your voice, make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children, and make promises to them.’ But Shaytaan promises them nothing but deceit” [al-Isra’ 17:64]

Mujaahid said, “This refers to singing and flutes.”

Al-Tabari reported that al-Hasan al-Basri said:

“His voice is the tambourine.”

Ibn al-Qayyim said in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan (1/252):

“The grammatical structure here (idaafah – genitive or possessive) is used to make something specific (idaafat al-takhsees), and in all these words in the aayah it refers back to the Shaytaan [addressed here as ‘you’ by Allaah, may He be glorified]. Everyone who speaks about anything other than obedience of Allaah or plays a reed pipe, flute, tambourine or drum, all of this is the voice of Shaytaan.”

Al-Tirmidhi reported in his Sunan (no. 1005) from Ibn Abi Layla from ‘Ata’ from Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went to to al-Nakhl with ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Awf, when his son Ibraaheem was dying. He took the child in his lap and his eyes filled with tears. ‘Abd al-Rahmaan said, ‘Are you weeping when you have forbidden us to weep?’ He said, 'I do not forbid weeping. What I have forbidden is two foolish and evil kinds of voices: voices at times of entertainment and play and the flutes of the Shaytaan, and voices at times of calamity and scratching the face and rending the garments and screaming.’”

Al-Tirmidhi said: this is a hasan hadeeth. It was also reported by al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak, no. 1683, al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (4/69), al-Tayaalisi in Musnad (no. 1683) and by al-Tahhaawi in Sharh al-Ma’aani, 4/29, and it was classed as hasan by al-Albaani.

Al-Nawawi said: “What is meant here is singing and musical instruments.” See Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi, 4/88.

It was reported in a saheeh hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “In my ummah there will be people who allow fornication/adultery (zina), silk, wine and musical instruments [ma’aazif]. Some people will stay at the side of a mountain, and they will have flocks of sheep. When a poor person comes in the evening to ask them for something he needs, they will say. ‘Come back to us tomorrow.’ Then during the night Allaah will destroy them by causing the mountain to fall upon them, while He changes others into apes and swine. They will remain in such a state until the Day of Resurrection.’”

(Reported by al-Bukhaari in al-Saheeh mu’allaqan, 51/10. Reported mawsoolan by al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra, 3/272; al-Tabaraani in al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer, 3/319; and Ibn Hibbaan in al-Saheeh (8/265-266). Classed as saheeh by Ibn al-Salaah in ‘Uloom al-Hadeeth (32), Ibn al-Qayyim in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan (255) and Tahdheeb al-Sunan (5/270-272), al-Haafiz in al-Fath (10/51) and al-Albaani in al-Saheehah (1/140)).

Al-Haafiz said in al-Fath (10/55): Ma’aazif refers to musical instruments. Al-Qurtubi reported from al-Jawhari that ma’aazif meant singing, and what it says in his book al-Sihaah is that it refers to musical instruments. It was also said that it is the sound of musical instruments. In a footnote by al-Dimyaati it says: ma’aazif is tambourines and other kinds of drums. The word ‘azif is applied to singing and all other kinds of instruments that may be played.

Ibn al-Qayyim said in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan (1/256):

The evidence for this is that ma’aazif refers to all kinds of things used for entertainment. There is no dispute among scholars of the Arabic language on this point. If they were halaal, he would not have condemned those who permitted them, or compared permitting them to permitting wine and zina.

We may understand from the hadeeth that all kinds of musical instruments are forbidden. This is clear from the hadeeth for a number of reasons:

1. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said “… there will be people who allow…” It is clear that the things listed here, including musical instruments, are forbidden in sharee’ah, but those people will allow them.

2. He compared musical instruments to things that are definitely known to be haraam, namely zina and alcohol. If instruments were not haraam, he would not have made this comparison. The evidence of this hadeeth that singing is haraam is definitive. Even if no other hadeeth or aayah spoke about musical instruments, this hadeeth would be sufficient to prove that they are haraam, especially the kind of singing that is known among people nowadays, the essence of which is obscenity and foul talk, based on all kinds of musical instruments such as guitars, drums, flutes, ouds, zithers, organs, pianos, violins and other things that make it more enticing, such as the voices of these effeminate singers and whores.

(See Hukm al-Ma’aazif by al-Albaani, Tas-heeh al-Ahkta’ wa’l-Awhaam al-Waaqi’ah fi Ahaadeeth al-Nabi ‘alayhi’l-salaam by Raa’id Sabri, 1/176).

Shaykh Ibn Baaz said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 3/423-424):

“Ma’aazif refers to singing and musical instruments. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that at the end of time there will come a people who will allow these things just as they will allow alcohol, zina and silk. This is one of the signs of his Prophethood, for all of this has happened. The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haraam, and condemns those who say they are halaal, just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allaah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allaah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allaah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allaah and lying about His Laws. What is mustahabb is to beat on the daff [simple hand drum] at weddings. This is mustahabb for women only, in order to announce the wedding and to distinguish it from fornication. There is nothing wrong with women singing amongst themselves, accompanied by the daff, so long as the songs contain no words that encourage evil or distract people from their duties. It is also a condition that this should take place among women only, and there should be no mixing with men. It should also not cause any annoyance or disturbance to neighbours. What some people do, of amplifying such singing with loudspeakers is evil, because of the disturbance it causes to other Muslims, neighbours and others. It is not permissible for women, in weddings or on other occasions, to use any instrument other than the daff, such as the oud, violin, rebab (stringed instrument) and so on. This is evil, and the only concession that women are given is that they may use the daff.

As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allaah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allaah.”

Shaykh al-Islam said in al-Fataawa (11/569):

“I know that in the ‘golden age’, the first and best three centuries, in the Hijaaz, in Syria, in the Yemen, in Egypt, in the Maghreb, in Iraq, in Khorasan, none of the religious and righteous people, the ascetics and those who worshipped Allaah much, would gather to listen to this whistling and clapping and drum-beating and so on. This was innovated after that at the end of the second century, and whenever the imaams saw it, they denounced it.”

As for these anaasheed which are described as “Islamic” but are accompanied with musical instruments, giving them this name lends them some measure of legitimacy, but in fact they are singing and music, so calling them Islamic nasheeds is falsehood and deception. They cannot be a substitute for singing, as an evil thing cannot be substituted for another evil thing. We should replace something evil with something good. Listening to it on the grounds that it is Islamic and an act of worship is bid’ah, and Allaah does not allow this. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound.

For more information, see:

Talbees Iblees (237) and al-Madkhil by Ibn al-Haaj (3/109); al-Amr bi’l-Ittibaa’ wa’l-Nahy ‘an al-Ibtidaa’ by al-Suyooti (99 ff); Dham al-Malaahi by Ibn Abi’l-Dunya; al-I’laam bi-anna al-‘Azif haraam by Abu Bakr al-Jazaa’iri; Tanzeeh al-Sharee’ah ‘an al-Aghaani al-Khalee’ah wa Tahreem Aalaat al-Tarab by al-Albaani.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Source: http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=5011&ln=eng


You can also read another religious opinion fatwa of Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid which discusses this matter. Please click on the following link:

Source: http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=5000&ln=eng



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There's a point I'd like to make here that may seem out of the topic, but I believe it's related.


Many non Muslims see some of the obligations of Islam as too hard, so they believe that's it's better to stay as non Muslims and continue enjoying the forbidden things in Islam rather than becoming sinning Muslims [i.e., by continuing with these forbidden acts].


And that's a wrong position to take.


If the non Muslim comes to recognize that Islam is the true religion of God Almighty, then there's an obligation on him or her to revert to Islam, even if he or she suspects that they'll still continue sinning, as long as it's a sin that doesn't put him or her out of the fold of Islam.


Many times you find non Muslim women who are so afraid of not being able to cover their hair [hijab] and dress modestly that they don't become Muslims. Please read the post I made about this subject by clicking on the following link:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61073&postcount=1


In that post, you'll find that Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid wrote the following:

We also say that if any woman were to ask us whether she should become Muslim despite not wearing full hijab or stay a kaafir, we would definitely tell her to become Muslim, because the seriousness and danger of remaining a kaafir is far worse than being a Muslim but committing a sin.


Note: Kaafir is the way to pronounce the word "disbeliever" or "unbeliever" in Arabic. After the advent of the Prophethood of Muhammad [peace be upon him], it refers to all non Muslims whether they're Jews and Christians [People of the Book] or others.


I wish you all the best BGfromGB.


Best regards,

Bluegazer
 

Leah

New Member
Salaam,

I listened too and I have also been distressed about music and instruments being forbidden. Just can't understand how gifts given from God to even enlighten and tach comapssion can be haram. Paul Potts is a very humble young man and what he has been given is not from this mortal world. People who never bother about life and so on, come to their senses and change. If that is from satan, I don't know what to think of us humans. All that is good, that encourages people to do good deeds with respect and love for our next of kin, through music and culture, can only be greated and be giving gratitude to the One who created us and the vocal cords. And yes, all that is interesting might not be of good but we are to use our tninking and moral skills to abstain from which is not. Music is to be used to praise God, to heal people suffering from mental disorders and alike. Children are naturally born with music in their genes, rythm and songs with educational and a variety in texts and words are absolutely necesssary for their writing and reading development, it opens up our senses and makes us do good. Simple as that. Besides, who said that paino etc was forbidden; man or God, ince music/tones has been with us from the very beginning of creation.

Love and peace...
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
Salaam,

I listened too and I have also been distressed about music and instruments being forbidden. Just can't understand how gifts given from God to even enlighten and tach comapssion can be haram. Paul Potts is a very humble young man and what he has been given is not from this mortal world. People who never bother about life and so on, come to their senses and change. If that is from satan, I don't know what to think of us humans. All that is good, that encourages people to do good deeds with respect and love for our next of kin, through music and culture, can only be greated and be giving gratitude to the One who created us and the vocal cords. And yes, all that is interesting might not be of good but we are to use our tninking and moral skills to abstain from which is not. Music is to be used to praise God, to heal people suffering from mental disorders and alike. Children are naturally born with music in their genes, rythm and songs with educational and a variety in texts and words are absolutely necesssary for their writing and reading development, it opens up our senses and makes us do good. Simple as that. Besides, who said that paino etc was forbidden; man or God, ince music/tones has been with us from the very beginning of creation.

Love and peace...

On a personal level, I completely agree with you. But it's important to remember that just singing is not haram. I agree that it is a fantastic ability and a gift from Allah. Of course, you can sing about haram things, but this mans ability is not haram in any way.
 
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