Islam is different?

[Joanna-Aisha]

:salam2: Sisters and Brothers!

I have a problem. I 've just finished talk with my Muslim freind from Turkey. He told me something, what made me concerned. He claims that Islam is different in Turkey, because of mixed culture. I tild him that Islam is everywhere the same, only people try to change it. He said that in Turkey woman don't have to cover, that smoking is not haram but mekruh (is taht true?). I am in shockHe said more things, that these rules ar from Shariat (I hope I pronunce it well), and they do not exist in Turkey, only in Saudi Arabia. I know that tehre exist cultural mix, but is it the truth? Is it ok to say what my Muslim friend said? I'm concerner, really!
Jazzakallah khair for all your answers.
:tti_sister:

 

[croatian/jewconv]

yup , what your friend told you is true...turkey is a very secular country...its pretty sad

 

[Mairo]

I actually know quite a few Muslim immigrants from Turkey, and can verify that what you have explained above is true about the situation in Turkey. Those individuals who want to practice Islam by following the Quran and Sunnah are often ostracized and looked down upon as being fanatical. Women who insist on wearing hijab face a lot of persecution and are not allowed to enter certain public places wearing them. It is really unfortunate! It seems that the government and most of the society in Turkey has placed more importance on being accepted by "the West" and perceived as a "modern country" and they consider embracing and practicing Islam as being somehow backward.

I think that every so-called Muslim country currently has problems when it comes to living up to the ideal of what a Muslim society should really be. Most have become quite corrupted in various ways. However, there is always hope to be found in the fact that regardless of the circumstances and misinterpretation of Islam which exists, there will always be pious, well-practicing Muslims to be found the world over. Do your best to strive to hold to the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah, regardless of how you may see others behaving. Do not lose hope - keep your faith in Allah strong!

 

[hambaAllah]

:salam2:

Mairo
I think that every so-called Muslim country currently has problems when it comes to living up to the ideal of what a Muslim society should really be. Most have become quite corrupted in various ways. However, there is always hope to be found in the fact that regardless of the circumstances and misinterpretation of Islam which exists, there will always be pious, well-practicing Muslims to be found the world over. Do your best to strive to hold to the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah, regardless of how you may see others behaving. Do not lose hope - keep your faith in Allah strong

I concur sister, but this also occurs in secular countries where you find muslims too...:tti_sister:May Allah subhana wa taala keeps and guides us to the straight path....Ameen Ya Rabbal Alameen

 

[Joanna-Aisha]

:ma::salam2: Shukran for these words. I'm sad because of that what happens, as a convert it's hard to believe... I'll pray for all people who lost their way somehow...I'm waiting fro more your comments. Maybe from your own experience..I'm really concerned...:tti_sister:

 

[podolski11]

I am Bosnian and we are Slavic but we have almost same tradition in Islam as Turkish people, collectivelly all Balkans entered Islam in year 1463., it is simple not true that we consider smoking as Makruh مكروه. We try to follow Shariah law as other Muslims try to do , sources of Shariah law are; Kur'an, sunnah, Ijma and Kijas.
Turkey is declared as a secular but it is better than many other countries, Please dont mention Turkey in negative context especially you who live in Kafirs country, where pig is accepted as darling.
:salam2:

i didnt know pigs were considered darlings there....weird

 

[Mairo]

Joanna,

Here is a link from frontline regarding the banning of headscarfs in Turkey and the secularization of the society which you may find educational. I hope you can view it.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/portraits/turkey.html

 

[Sabra]

:salam2: Sisters and Brothers!

I have a problem. I 've just finished talk with my Muslim freind from Turkey. He told me something, what made me concerned. He claims that Islam is different in Turkey, because of mixed culture. I tild him that Islam is everywhere the same, only people try to change it. He said that in Turkey woman don't have to cover, that smoking is not haram but mekruh (is taht true?). I am in shockHe said more things, that these rules ar from Shariat (I hope I pronunce it well), and they do not exist in Turkey, only in Saudi Arabia. I know that tehre exist cultural mix, but is it the truth? Is it ok to say what my Muslim friend said? I'm concerner, really!
Jazzakallah khair for all your answers.
:tti_sister:

Assalamu Alaykum Warahmatullah

These rules are not from Shariah Law. These are rules from a secular government.

Salam Sabra :tti_sister:

 

[Istella]

I am a Muslim from Malaysia. Malaysia is a liberalised country. That said, it does not mean we do not practise Syariah law or the main practises of Islam. What we do not practise is wearing the hijab. There is a lot of women here that wear headscarves and no, it isn't banned here!

I do not wear a headscarve but my late mother did. Often times, some people would ask why don't I wear one - I don't wear one because I am not ready to wear it. I believe that when one is ready, and by ready I mean - practising ALL aspects of Islam - only then one should wear it as not to come across as a hypocrite. I have seen a lot of Muslim women here in my country that wear a headscarf but at the same time, they wear tight clothes which to me is wrong but who am I to judge this people, right?

If you were to see me on the streets, you wouldn't think I am a Muslim by the way I dress. I can't say it is something that I am proud of, I am in fact offended if someone mistaken me for a non-Muslim but as I stated above, I will only practise wearing a headscarf when I am fully educated in Islam. I think a lot of people would call my family the modernised Islam but by no means do we alter our beliefs.

 

[jabba]

:salam2: Sisters and Brothers!

I have a problem. I 've just finished talk with my Muslim freind from Turkey. He told me something, what made me concerned. He claims that Islam is different in Turkey, because of mixed culture. I tild him that Islam is everywhere the same, only people try to change it. He said that in Turkey woman don't have to cover, that smoking is not haram but mekruh (is taht true?). I am in shockHe said more things, that these rules ar from Shariat (I hope I pronunce it well), and they do not exist in Turkey, only in Saudi Arabia. I know that tehre exist cultural mix, but is it the truth? Is it ok to say what my Muslim friend said? I'm concerner, really!
Jazzakallah khair for all your answers.
:tti_sister:

:salam2:
Evreywhere in the world women don't have to cover unless they are MUslim. BUt thats the culture and government, not Islam. I know some turkish women here who cover and they cover probably better than anyone else in the country. Sadly even here people smoke like crazy, way more than in Canada where the majority is not MUslim. You have to understand that Muslim countries do not act Islamic(even Saudi), I mean there are some wonderful MUslims here mashAllah but somethings I've seen were a little disappointing to say the least.

P.S sister I'll email you soon inshAllah, for now have to go to school, masalama

 

[saira1984]

:salam2:
Evreywhere in the world women don't have to cover unless they are MUslim. BUt thats the culture and government, not Islam. I know some turkish women here who cover and they cover probably better than anyone else in the country. Sadly even here people smoke like crazy, way more than in Canada where the majority is not MUslim. You have to understand that Muslim countries do not act Islamic(even Saudi), I mean there are some wonderful MUslims here mashAllah but somethings I've seen were a little disappointing to say the least.

Salam sisters, Its true no muslim countrys follow shiria law extactly. Please dont be offended this is how I see things... If every muslim country followed the Quaran 100% then there would be more no inhumanity and women would have equal rights (to the extent of the Quaran) Look at Saudi women aren't even allowed to drive please forgive me but where does it say that in the Quaran?? :tti_sister:

 

[ajazz]

especially you who live in Kafirs country, where pig is accepted as darling.
:salam2:

This remark is uncalled for.
it is the duity of every Muslim to spread the truth of Islam if you call people kafir and hate them how are you going to invite them to Islam


Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
( An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #125)

the prisoners of war taken captive at the battle of Badr were amongst his bitterest enemies. Nevertheless, he

made sure that they were given the best of treatment. Among them was Suhayl bin 'Amr who was a fiery speaker and was denouncing the Prophet

. 'Umar

one the Prophet’s closest companions, suggested that two of his lower teeth be pulled out so that he might not be so vile in his speeches. The Prophet

replied: “Were I to do this, Allaah would disfigure me on the Day of Judgement, despite the fact that I am His messenger.”

And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fairseeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.
Sura #6 verse 108

 

[Kayote]

This remark is uncalled for.
it is the duity of every Muslim to spread the truth of Islam if you call people kafir and hate them how are you going to invite them to Islam


Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
( An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #125)

the prisoners of war taken captive at the battle of Badr were amongst his bitterest enemies. Nevertheless, he

made sure that they were given the best of treatment. Among them was Suhayl bin 'Amr who was a fiery speaker and was denouncing the Prophet

. 'Umar

one the Prophet’s closest companions, suggested that two of his lower teeth be pulled out so that he might not be so vile in his speeches. The Prophet

replied: “Were I to do this, Allaah would disfigure me on the Day of Judgement, despite the fact that I am His messenger.”

And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fairseeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.
Sura #6 verse 108

Salam All,

Ajazz, what a wonderful answer. Thankyou for your time and effort.

Salam

 

[abou haytam]

Salam sisters, Its true no muslim countrys follow shiria law extactly. Please dont be offended this is how I see things... If every muslim country followed the Quaran 100% then there would be more no inhumanity and women would have equal rights (to the extent of the Quaran) Look at Saudi women aren't even allowed to drive please forgive me but where does it say that in the Quaran?? :tti_sister:

salam sister;

check this link about women driving cars in saoudia.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=45880&ln=eng&txt=السيارة

 

[Mabsoot]

Salam sisters, Its true no muslim countrys follow shiria law extactly. Please dont be offended this is how I see things... If every muslim country followed the Quaran 100% then there would be more no inhumanity and women would have equal rights (to the extent of the Quaran) Look at Saudi women aren't even allowed to drive please forgive me but where does it say that in the Quaran?? :tti_sister:

Assalamu Alaykum

100% Shariah is when the Prophet was alive and he recieved revelation from Allah for all matters.

So, yes, we should implement shariah, but, human beings, especially in our current state where there are more ignorant people than proper muslims, it is something difficult indeed.

If Muslims sat down and studied Islam, instead of rambling on and on from their own minds or they learn Islam in correct way and not listen to the modernists or the extremists, but proper ulema, the muhaditheen and other scholars who have the knowledge. Then they would actually learn something. They will see how to improve their situation and eventually for us to have a good Islamic society.

Right now, Muslims are divided due to their ignorance. THey cling onto various speakers and people who are not Scholars.

wasalam.

 

[Salika]

Salam sisters, Its true no muslim countrys follow shiria law extactly. Please dont be offended this is how I see things... If every muslim country followed the Quaran 100% then there would be more no inhumanity and women would have equal rights (to the extent of the Quaran) Look at Saudi women aren't even allowed to drive please forgive me but where does it say that in the Quaran?? :tti_sister:

:salam2:
the explaination i was given as to why women werent allowed to drive is to "protect" their "dignity," or something like that. Since Saudi is mostly desert, if a women was to get stranded in the middle of the road in the desert and if a brother was to go by, while she was alone and needed help....and if "someone" else was to see her with a brother like that, it would ruin her "reputation." This explaination was from one of Sheikh Khalid Yasin's lectures. It was part of the Q & A portions.

 

[abou haytam]

Assalamu Alaykum

100% Shariah is when the Prophet was alive and he recieved revelation from Allah for all matters.

So, yes, we should implement shariah, but, human beings, especially in our current state where there are more ignorant people than proper muslims, it is something difficult indeed.

If Muslims sat down and studied Islam, instead of rambling on and on from their own minds or they learn Islam in correct way and not listen to the modernists or the extremists, but proper ulema, the muhaditheen and other scholars who have the knowledge. Then they would actually learn something. They will see how to improve their situation and eventually for us to have a good Islamic society.

Right now, Muslims are divided due to their ignorance. THey cling onto various speakers and people who are not Scholars.

wasalam.

Salam brother,

Sometimes we are divided due to our desries. When a scholars give a fatwa that dose not much our desire we reject it. Exemple of rule of driving a car in arabia saoudia. Great scholars like Abdel aziz ibn baz and mohamed ibn saleh alouthaimeen that gives fatwa to forbide driving for women in saoudia. But people ignoring the reality of the saoudia society and ignoring the perpose of this fatwa look at arabia like an evil country that rule with ignorence and here we start to divide ummah, saoudia are fanatic, morocco are liberal, tunisia are secular, egypt are moderate...etc. If we are divided it s because our desires. most of us want to much islam with his own desires.

 

[Joanna-Aisha]

:salam2: Sisters and Brothers!
Jazzakallah khair for all your posts. :ma: I'm really pleased that I started this discussion. I have learnt a lot. To be honest, yesterday after I talk with my Turkish friend, my mind was a little bit devastated. I'm reeally very optimistci toward Islam, maybe too optimistic (I mean when it comes to people and their attitude). I'm happy that you have ansered my questions I didn;t mean to offend anybody. If someone feels like this, I'm sorry. I'm still learning.... I would like to make a comment about pigs and calling them darlings...It's not my fualt that I live in Poland, 99% Catholic country. In Catholic church is not forbidden to eat pork, to drink alcohol (in reasonable amount, but actually waht does it mean..hmmm...it means different thing for each of them). My point was, because of this optimism, that if I'm in Muslim country, I would like to feel Islamic atmosphere,a dn I thought(maybe too optimistically again), that it's like this, that rules are respected everywhere. Islam is just so clear to me...But sometimes heard to understand fuly, as a previous Catholic and European woman. One more time Jazzakallah khair!
:tti_sister:
:salam2:

 

[alkathiri]

:salam2: Sisters and Brothers!
Jazzakallah khair for all your posts. :ma: I'm really pleased that I started this discussion. I have learnt a lot. To be honest, yesterday after I talk with my Turkish friend, my mind was a little bit devastated. I'm reeally very optimistci toward Islam, maybe too optimistic (I mean when it comes to people and their attitude). I'm happy that you have ansered my questions I didn;t mean to offend anybody. If someone feels like this, I'm sorry. I'm still learning.... I would like to make a comment about pigs and calling them darlings...It's not my fualt that I live in Poland, 99% Catholic country. In Catholic church is not forbidden to eat pork, to drink alcohol (in reasonable amount, but actually waht does it mean..hmmm...it means different thing for each of them). My point was, because of this optimism, that if I'm in Muslim country, I would like to feel Islamic atmosphere,a dn I thought(maybe too optimistically again), that it's like this, that rules are respected everywhere. Islam is just so clear to me...But sometimes heard to understand fuly, as a previous Catholic and European woman. One more time Jazzakallah khair!
:tti_sister:
:salam2:

:salam2: sister,

Considering that, you are one of the 1% in Poland who are muslims is an amazing fact.

Sister Joanna, when i read your post , i find that you are very optimistic which is good MashAllah. But you have to know Muslims are not perfect but Islam is and some news about some muslims are going to shock and make you feel devastated. So inshAllah you are mentally prepared for it. I watch a video from Al Jazeera , they did a poll and estimated roughly 4 out of 10 muslims pray 5 times in US. This is a bit shocking for me.

 

[a_muslimah86]

:salam2: Sisters and Brothers!

I have a problem. I 've just finished talk with my Muslim freind from Turkey. He told me something, what made me concerned. He claims that Islam is different in Turkey, because of mixed culture. I tild him that Islam is everywhere the same, only people try to change it. He said that in Turkey woman don't have to cover, that smoking is not haram but mekruh (is taht true?). I am in shockHe said more things, that these rules ar from Shariat (I hope I pronunce it well), and they do not exist in Turkey, only in Saudi Arabia. I know that tehre exist cultural mix, but is it the truth? Is it ok to say what my Muslim friend said? I'm concerner, really!
Jazzakallah khair for all your answers.
:tti_sister:

assalamo alaikum..

well you asked for personal experience sister..and I will share a little experience I had while I lived in Turkey..

I used to be a refugee with my family there..amongst many many many others..and we lived in a small beat-down hotel all together as a community..one day me and my mother were sitting down in our room when my brother walked in and said..there are 3 men who want to talk to an adult..my mom of course thought it was the police or something doing a security check..hehe..
but when we looked out the door..we saw three bearded men who must've been in their 70's..they greeted us..and with the turkish we had learned and the Arabic they know..we came to understand that they were going around asking each family if they needed anything such as food..clothes..furniture..transportation..or even money..so they'd help out with that..though we said that we receive what suits our needs through the UN..for months afterwards..these 3 men would carry cans and bags of foods up to the 5th floor (where all the refugees were)..to distribute it to everyone..and they would even have their families cook food for all of us and bring it because they knew that with us living in a hotel it's not always easy for us to cook our own food..and they even took some of the families to their houses to introduce them to us..they were such wonderful men..I loved them very much because they were so nice..so pious and so charitable...and the little kids (especially my little brother who was about 5 at the time)..would call them "the angels"..every time they would see them coming..they would run around yelling "the angels are here..the angels are here"..their goodness was apparent on their faces..subhanallah!..May Allah (swt) reward them for their deeds with the highest and best of rewards!

still though..like many of the brothers and sisters said..Turkey *is* secular and so they lack adherance to Islamic Shari'a..so it's quite common for you to see a brothel (asthagfirallah) and then 3 blocks down a mosque..or see men and women drinking alcohol with their lunch or dinner..or women wearing tank tops..or music blaring through the streets from music stores..

but at the same time...once that athan starts..the music shuts down..and people flock to the masjid..and should you see a woman with a tank top..you would see two or three walking with a flowing abaya and a headscarf (despite laws..and regulations..and difficulties..and everything!)..and should friday come..the masjid gets so filled up..that people pray on the street around the masjid..and during ramadhan the masjid amongst other humanitarian organizations hand out bread and soup (sometimes even clothes) for the homeless and the needy a charity..and like in my story..you won't miss seeing bearded-men of piousness and devoutness walking around..

so there is secularism...but the presence of Islam is still around sister..and this is something common in other Muslim nations as well including my own..but no matter what you do sense a stronger presence of Islam than anywhere else..and alhamduliallah for that!

May Allah reward you for your concern over the deen...that is a wonderful trait in you sister..I hope that it won't ever go away..and inshallah you will be to accomplish much success through it..and I apologize for the lengthy response

take care wa alaikum assalam