getting confused and going kuku!!!!!

[podolski11]

i have started reading the Quran and sahih bukhari but i am getting really confused and i dont understand the reason why Muhammad saw married a 6 year old??....i mean may Allah forgive me but my head jz goes in circles....i tried reading online but i jz dont get it..shouldnt a a girl that age study or play with friends rather than get married..i mean was it b cause he SAW was a prophet?????....then does that mean any man can marry a 6 year old??????.....why???????.....another thing was a hadith i read about a person being left handed and the prophet saw told him to et with his right hand but he said he cannot and the prophet saw said may u never b able to...after that the man got paralysis.......i mean i dont get it?????.......why would the prophet saw want to give a bad dua to a person????????????????
i think i might b derailing from Islam

CONFUSED
:angryred::angryred::angryred::angryred:

 

[al-fajr]

:salam2:

What was your intention in starting to read Qur'an and Bukhari? If it was to increase your Imaan, alhamdulillah, so Shaytaan is wreaking havoc in your mind for obvious reasons, seek refuge from him.

*removed*

See this: Young A'ishah: Mother of the Believers

 

[OsMaN_93]

did you get this from youtube??!!!

:salam2:

in these times, back then ALL people married young girls, I believe that the stonger opinion is that the ages were 6 and 9 respectively. Anyway, so he married her when she was 6 and consummated when she was 9 (that is when she lived with him etc), and this is what I will discuss inshaa' Allaah.

Before this whole matter, `Aa'ishah was already engaged to someone else, a polytheist. However they broke the engagement because Abu Bakr, the noble companion and her father, became Muslim. This in of its self, proves that it was a practice of old to marry young. In fact, it is well known that in the 3rd world, people marry young. So it was not at all an unusual practice 1400 years ago.

Sadly, in this day and age, because of the number of sick child rapers out there, they use this against Muhammad sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam, and according to their foul and backwards understanding, because all these old white men are caught having relations with young girls (forcefully) as well as boys(!!!), they automatically assume that the Messenger had the same motives as them (pleasure and desire for young)!

This is totally wrong! The fact is that firstly, it always was an accepted practice. Secondly, they were married and everyone knew, no one objected to it! So it wasn't a case of rape, it was a case of agreement, which received no attack from anyone. Only today people attack others on this. They straight away think that marrying a young woman = nasty, pervert, paedophile, rape!!! But such kuffaar are delusional idiots anyway, they're the ones following their desires in truth.

To put it into perspective this is how the `Arabs and all others of the time viewed the matter. If a girl starts her mensturation cycle, it means she has reached puberty. She can cater for a baby, and is becoming a woman. So if girl reached puberty, no one saw the problem in being married to and having relations with such a girl. Why? Because she's physically ready for pregnancy and therefore sex. Only one who doesn't understand biology, or lacks common sense will deny this.

" the closer to the eqauter one is, the earlier they reach puberty ..etc.. (science fact)"

The kuffaar have attacked Islam from the day one. They have for centuries hated and been at the throat of Muslims, spreading lies, distortions, taking stuff out of context to spread this hate. Today is no different. However, even some of the famous haters of Islaam, who studied Islaam just to distort it to the people, they rarely criticised this point, due to the act being acceptable. Much material wasn't written against Islaam by the orientalists of the 1700s till the early 1900s. It is interesting to note however, that many such writers didn't criticse Muhammad, or Islaam, based on the fact that he married `Aa'ishah at a young age.

From this, I hope u can see the clear truth. It is a modern day attempt to scare the people of Islaam, demonise Muslims, insult our Prophet and wage war upon us, period. So don't even bother reading what is on youtube comments, or news article comments, they are always biassed and bashing Islaam and Muslims.... Always. The mayor of London, recently complained (may Allaah guide him) that in one week some 400 articles were published in the newspapers about Muslims, 90%+ of them were negative. So if the media is producing nothing but hate material, what will the common people think, who are subjugated to such media outlets???

Try not to read them youtube comments etc as they hurt the heart, they are not nice to read. Most people who write them are probably people who waste their lives on the internet, aged between 13-40. Very few smart, just and fair people will post there. Why, because they know that in the likes of youtube, blogs, comments, forums is nothing but crap (almost)! Even most Muslims scholars have discouraged the internet, for it is used by many Muslims and non-Muslims alike to spread fitnah, corruption, evil, and useless talk. As Muslims we need to be academic and study properly, with teachers, scholars, books and plenty of du`aa. Not taking everything from anything on the net.

Hope thise helps u greatly!!

Wa`alaykum salaam.

 

[cmelbouzaidi]

could you come back with the actual wording and references on these hadith? i am not schooled in hadith either. from what i understand, abu bakr promised aisha to our prophet (saw) when she was six but there was no husband and wife physical relationship until aisha was of a childbearing age. some people say she got married between the age of 18 and 23. it is common for friends in various cultures even today to promise even a newborn to a friend/friend's son to be married later on. we need some scholarly wisdom here. i have never heard the other hadith mentioned.

 

[OsMaN_93]

could you come back with the actual wording and references on these hadith? i am not schooled in hadith either. from what i understand, abu bakr promised aisha to our prophet (saw) when she was six but there was no husband and wife physical relationship until aisha was of a childbearing age. some people say she got married between the age of 18 and 23. it is common for friends in various cultures even today to promise even a newborn to a friend/friend's son to be married later on. we need some scholarly wisdom here. i have never heard the other hadith mentioned.

:salam2:




Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.



Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.





Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.




Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

 

[cmelbouzaidi]

Jazak Allahu Khair, beautiful video response from Anwar Al-Awklaki.
Thank you sister Isra.

 

[OsMaN_93]

:salam2:
infact i think you should check out my post here :http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=196833&postcount=104

which describes a detailed analysis about the issue
:salam2:

 

[lostlilly07]

wa alaikum salaam

Also I would like to know how firm are you in Tawheed...to me and even scholars. Tawheed is quite important and if don't have that secure foundation, it will be easy to distract from minor points in islam.

 

[*Sana*]

Assalamualaikum,

MashaAllah Brother Osmanelmais. A very beautiful detailed response which Brother Podolski will definitely benefit from. I have also read this Narration by Aisha Radiyallahu Anha in many places that clarify this concept.

Brother Podolski keep your faith high. Everyone has their ups and downs when it comes to Imaan. And remember one thing that what ever the Holy Prophet did had a wisdom behind it. Also, I would like to warn you, not to read weak narrations or Ahadeeth.

Keep reading and InshaAllah all your misunderstandings will be cleared through reading. If you stay in the "dark ages" (in ignorance) as I like to call it, then you will never have your doubts cleared.

I hope I didn't sound to harsh brother

Wasalaam

:salam2:




Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.



Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.





Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.




Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

 

[Musulmanin]

because all these old white men are caught having relations with young girls (forcefully) as well as boys(!!!),

:salam2: osmanelmais

Brother, are you trying to say something putting race into negative comment?

You sound like those white racists who say " these black people this and that." I hope that was not your intention.

 

[OsMaN_93]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have nothing against different people, infact im white so why would i? ,
i meant EUROPEANS
:lol:

IM NOT RACIST
::salam2:

 

[Bluegazer]

Assalamu Alaikum brother podolski11,


Many of the brothers and sisters here have given excellent responses. Brother osmanelmais wrote the following in his post #3:

To put it into perspective this is how the `Arabs and all others of the time viewed the matter. If a girl starts her mensturation cycle, it means she has reached puberty. She can cater for a baby, and is becoming a woman. So if girl reached puberty, no one saw the problem in being married to and having relations with such a girl. Why? Because she's physically ready for pregnancy and therefore sex. Only one who doesn't understand biology, or lacks common sense will deny this.

That is very true. After reaching the age of puberty, childhood ends and adulthood begins. And that means that a marriage can be consummated with this young adult because she has the ability to give birth and raise a child.


Please read the following news story from the ABC [Australian Broadcasting Corporation] website:

9yo girl gives birth in Amazon

Posted Sat Jul 8, 2006 8:30am AEST

A nine-year-old girl of the Apurina tribe in Brazil's Amazon rainforest has given birth to a baby.

"We know of early pregnancies in some tribes, but I have never heard of a nine-year-old getting pregnant and giving birth before," said Christiane da Costa, a doctor in the hospital where the girl underwent a Caesarean section on Wednesday in Manaus, the capital of the Amazon state.

A spokesman for the local health care administration said they had no reports of such cases in the Amazon state "at least for several decades".

Police have asked anthropologists from the National Indian Foundation to help investigate Apurina tribal customs regarding sex with young girls.

The nine-year-old mother, who is only 1.3 metres tall, and the baby girl are well, although they remain under constant medical observation.

The mother had an almost full-term pregnancy but her weight was below normal.

"The girl is only starting to feel that she's a mother, with the help of our psychologist. She's still playing with her dolls and watching cartoons in her room, like a child would," Dr da Costa said, speaking by telephone from Manaus.

The girl had spent three months in the hospital under observation after her 19-year-old sister took her to Manaus from the riverside town of Manacapuru.

She had a high fever and was initially diagnosed with malaria, pneumonia and an ear infection.

"We thought she was deaf and mute, but that seems to have been caused by the chronic otitis (ear infection). She understands Portuguese and can now say a few words, too," Dr da Costa said.

Doctors say police are investigating who was responsible for the girl's pregnancy.

-Reuters

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2006/07/08/1681744.htm


Please click on the following link to read a post of mine regarding the marriage of an Eastern Roman Emperor to a princess when she was nine years old:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86457&postcount=33


Best regards,

Bluegazer

 

[muharram23]

salamu alaykum

Note that women back then were much more grown up then women nowdays. Women before used to be raised at young age to be a woman and be able to take care of things on her own. Resulullah svs didn't do things on his own. It was a command from Allah sva to marry Aisha r.a. infact, before the marriage Muhammad had a dream twice of marrying Aisha ra. We all know that the dreams of the prophets is Ru'yaa, revelation. Ibrahim a.s had a dream of slaughtering his son Ismail a.s and so he answered the call, because he knew that the dreams of the prophets are a revelation and truth.

Hadith narrated by aisha r.a that the messenger said to here: "Before I married you, Isaw you in my dream twice. An angel caried you, wrapped in a piece of silk, and told me, "this is your wife." I uncovered the face and found that it was you. i said to myself, "if this is from Allah, He will surely make it happen. (al-Bukhari, Muslim, and others).

Another hadith recorded by al_marwazi, ahmad, and others and verifyed authentic by shaikh Al-albani that Aishah r.a reported that the prophet told her when he was near death: "indeed, what makes deeaath lighter for me is that I was shown (in a dream) that you are my wife in Jannah".

From these two hadiths we realize that both were dreams of the prophet and therefore a command from Allah sva that it will happen. Muhammad told one of his sahaba to write down everything he said. The sahaba asked "even, when you are angry" and the prophet told him "yes" that nothing comes out of his mouth but the truth. Meaning that everything that he says or does is revelation and guidence from ALlah sva.

Second, as i mentioned in the beginning that we can not compare the characteristics of a woman's condition 1400 years ago with women today. Infact, the sign of a woman's adulthood, is her menstrual cycle. Allah sva gave her a sign that she is able to bare children. Why would Allah sva give a woman the capability of baring children at age 16, 14, 12, even some at 8,9 today if she was not old enough to get married?

Even 40-50 yrs ago, woman used to get married at younger ages. Both of my grand mothers got married at age 12-13, and it was normal and common. No one complained about it until now. Today, if you are 22 and married, people look at you different like "why"?

If you are 16 and a female, no you can't because it is illegal and you are young. Although in some states in a America it is legal if the guardians sign marriage certificate. However, she is ok to sleep around at any age that pleases her/him, but not get married. Is this justice to the people?

If women were married at young ages 40-50 yrs ago, which is recent, than how can we compare the status of the woman 1400 yrs ago, subhanALlah and say that it was a little kid. We all know that it is not permissible to engage in sexual activity with someone before they reach their period, and ofcourse being your wife.

In islam, a woman can be married by her guardian without her permission but before her puberty. However, when she gets the period, she can choose if she wants to stay with the husban or devorce him. Now, Aisha r.a was married and she could have chosen not to stay with resulllah, but she did.

Brother osmanelmais brought a good proof that Aisha r.a was engaged to someone else before islaam, but then her father Abu Bakr assideek canceled that and married her with Muhammad .

Note also, that her parents were the ones who married her as well. If it was not a custom back then to marry at that age, her parents would not allow it. Also, you guys realize that we are talking here about marriage. The kuffar and a lot of muslims who don't know islaam or are arrogant do not realize that Muhammad didn't marry her because of desires only. He didn't date her, and then kick her out. He married her first of all because it was a command of ALlah, second because of a benefit. She learned so many hadith, infact she is the second after abu hurayrah r.a who transmitted over few thousand hadith.

So, to go into this stuff is really silly. We have to defend our prophet and know that he was sent as mercy to mankind.

If the kuffar ask you about this stuff and how come he married a young girl like that, you ask them this. Ask them "Do you believe in Allah sva as the only one to be worshippped without any partner, and that Muhammad s.vs is His final messenger?" If they say,"no" then that is the end of discussion. If they do not believe that, how will they belive that it was a command from ALlah sva?

IF they bring this issue, just changed it and ask them "let me ask you what you know about islaam?"

Allah knows best
wasalam

 

[gazkour]

Assalamo alikom wa rahmato Allah wa barakato

You just have to look at your granny's days! They married at 12 or 13 years old!
It was,not just at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) but centuries before, a common practice. Don't you know of "kids" running entire kingdoms at 8 years old in different civilizations as well as getting married?

Allah knows best.

Assalamo alikom wa rahmato allah wa barakato

 

[Amir_of_spain]

Asalam wailkium

The main reason why people have a problem with the age of aisha is simply because they are comparing a girl of 6/9 years of today's times/culture with that of a girl 1400 years ago. This is where people go wrong because today's young girls are preoccupied with magazines, listening to music and playing on their phones whereas a girl 1400 years ago was at that age grown up enough to run the household. So by comparing the social norms of a girl of the past with your society is not a right comparison.

Now lets say if a 53 year old man marries a girl of 18 years, what would people say? People would be outraged despite it being perfectly legal, the reason being is because in todays time a girl of 18 is still considered immature, a baby, who still needs years of growing up to become experienced. Also at 18, people are considered as students, still learning so its not common to get married at this age, espeically to a older man. This example shows its got nothing to do with the number instead its the society's perception of what constitues the right age number to get married and who to, which changes each generation.
Finally id like to say the people who were the greatest enemies of islam and who were against the prophet the most were those who lived in this time the pagan arabs. And his own people accused him of lots of evil things eg a magician, poet, madman etc So if they thought that muhammad had done a evil act by marrying aisha at her age they would have definetly have used this point to their advantage, but they never did. This shows that it was fine, normal, that girls at that age and time/society were physically and mentally suitable for marriage.