Why doesn't Christians believe in Islam?

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
I saw this question on yahoo answers :) and i really liked how this person thinks :) mashallah he is thinking logically :)
I don't believe in religion but I believe in god (in my opinion everything must have a creator, but maybe I'm wrong).

I've read the Bible and Qur'an. The Qu'ran accepts that there's Christians and says that after Jesus, prophet Mohammad came to spread Islam all over the world. (It's like Islam is an up to date version of Christianity).
They say Bible has changed by some priests but Qu'ran isn't.

You can't find a stupid thing in the Bible or Qu'ran. But I must agree that Qu'ran makes more sense.

So how come Christians believe in god and it's religions but don't believe in prophet Mohammad and Islam? Aren't they like the Jews who didn't believe in Jesus?

Like I said before I don't believe in religions but I believe if you do something, you must do it right...

Have a great day!
 

Zafran

Muslim Brother
salaam

The christains dont believe in prophet Muhammad pbuh beacsue
1 - they believe that Jesus pbuh is God and dies for there sins.
2 - they believe in new testement where Jesus pbuh is seen to claim a lot of things including being less then God and at the same time God - I find it a confusing book.
3 - they believe in the trinty
4 - most of them have not read the Quran beacsue they believe its not from God and are scared of it thinking its an evil book as shown in the media and christain sites, so they stay away from it.

peace.
 

cmelbouzaidi

Junior Member
salaam

The christains dont believe in prophet Muhammad pbuh beacsue
1 - they believe that Jesus pbuh is God and dies for there sins.
2 - they believe in new testement where Jesus pbuh is seen to claim a lot of things including being less then God and at the same time God - I find it a confusing book.
3 - they believe in the trinty
4 - most of them have not read the Quran beacsue they believe its not from God and are scared of it thinking its an evil book as shown in the media and christain sites, so they stay away from it.

peace.

:salam2: nice answer :) Jazak Allahu Khair. isn't it funny how a muslim researching and seeking knowledge will have no problem picking up a copy of the bible to study but you show the Holy Qur'an to a born-again Christian and they run for the hills?! it makes me wonder how many pastors try to keep their congregation close for financial motives (10% of household income goes not just to any charity but to the church attended). some of these churches have huge congregations, i.e. 500 regulars. imagine, being conservative by US standards, the average household income is $30,000. say there are 250 annual contributors to the church. this implies 250 X 30,000 X 10% = $750,000.... not bad! do some of these pastors know they are preaching false lessons and know that the Qur'an holds the truth and that is why they make their people avoid it like the plague, :astag:? just speculating here, but it has always baffled me.....

anyway, nice thread....

:wasalam:
 

tolgatemur

Junior Member
Selam Aleykum,

Christian doesnt know Islam well.. some of them read Koran but they read it with their biased ego that they couldn't develop unbiased approach.

They start reading and studding Islam with determination that .."how can i prove Islam is aggressive religion.. how can i prove Islam hurts women... How can i prove Allah is moon god etc etc...."

you know there is selectivity in sensing.. we concentrate more on something we have interest to learn so when studying Islam their mind catch and concentrate more on what they have interest in such as "Islamic women issue.. So called Moon god issue....." than on what is purely said..

They put a form in their mind that Islam is bad. They don't see the good side of Islam. and What they see as bad is so called. They can breach their wall of egos. Only wise people who re really intelligent among them see the value of Islam and they accept it. thats why most of the time some scientist among Christian society accept Islam in true view.

For example lets say .. In a school class.. Ali has bad reputation, people think Ali is stupid. They always sees the stupid thing Ali did because Ali is stupid. When Ali make smart think they don't notice. It is like that in their goggle Islam is bad even if it is good they have no tendency to notice. It is just a generalization on which we shouldn't have apply to anyone being Christian.. i am talking about stereotypes. Don't forget we re all the one.

Thinking hurts thats why they cant understand Islam. They cant be brave to think the reality. I think there is something to think on for us muslim. It is some sorth of life lesson for me. I have to be brave to think.

As a Muslim our door should be open to anyone.. i mean being communicate able. I am sure many of you re nice person. Some time i forget being nice and i have to apologize. It is my problem. i tell this to one sharing the same problem with me.

let me fnish with a brief:
ANYBODY WHO CAN THİNK WELL AND LOVE CAN POTENTIALLY BE A MUSLİM.

In any case i am misunderstood on one thing. let me say i have wrongs and goods :):SMILY259:
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
galatians 1:6-12

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Muhammad says that angel gabriel gave him the new revelation from God



Revelation 22:18-19: “For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. If any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and out of the holy city and from the things written in this book.

Quran and Islam has a message that takes subtracts teaching from the last book of revelation
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Salaam sister Ivy,

This would mean that many of the book in the New Testament (which were written after Revelations) shouldn't be allowed. And all books written by the Apostle Paul were only letters and he was never consulted about calling this God's word. Just food for thought.

Wasalaam

~Sarah
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
42 A.D. : Gospel of Mark
42 A.D. : Gospel of John (main body of Gospel)

50 A.D.

50 A.D. : Book of 1Thessalonians
51 A.D. : Book of 2Thessalonians
53 A.D. (Spring) : Book of Galatians
56 A.D. (Late Winter) : Book of 1Corinthians
57 A.D. (Late Summer) : Book of 2Corinthians
57 A.D. (Winter) : Book of Romans
59 A.D. : Gospel of Luke

60 A.D.

61 to 63 A.D. : Book of Ephesians
Book of Philippians -
Book of Colossians -
Book of Philemon -
Book of Hebrews -

63 A.D. : Book of Acts -
Book of 1Timothy -
Book of Titus -

63 to 64 A.D. : Books of 1John, 2John and 3John

64 to 65 A.D. : Book of 1Peter

65 to 66 A.D. : Book of 2Peter



95 A.D. : Book of Revelation

Salaam sister Ivy,

This would mean that many of the book in the New Testament (which were written after Revelations) shouldn't be allowed. And all books written by the Apostle Paul were only letters and he was never consulted about calling this God's word. Just food for thought.

Wasalaam

~Sarah
 

cmelbouzaidi

Junior Member
Dear Sister Ivy, Does this mean that you are saying the Book of Revelation was the last book in the New Testament to be written? Also, could you tell me where you got the timeframe from for what was written when as I personally am ignorant of these things :) Thanks,

catherine iman
 

Zafran

Muslim Brother
galatians 1:6-12

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Muhammad says that angel gabriel gave him the new revelation from God



Revelation 22:18-19: “For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. If any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and out of the holy city and from the things written in this book.

Quran and Islam has a message that takes subtracts teaching from the last book of revelation

Salaam

Galatians is written by Paul so its clear either you believe in Paul to have recieved a revelation from Jesus pbuh (which the christains think is God) or you believe in prophet Muhammad pbuh and the Quran to came from God.

Its simple as that realy

so who wrote revelation ?

peace.
 

ummsami89

Junior Member
my mother's neighbor

Salam aliakum . My mother's neighbor is a born again Christian. She is so close minded that she says everyone but her is going to hell. I told my mom that if we are all going to hell, except her, she is going to be very lonely, huh? ahaha. I was kidding.:astag: You cant even talk to her about religion, as she knows it all. In her thoughts and words, all muslims are terrorists, Obama is a muslim so he is a terrorist, she feels sorry for my mother who has a daughter who is a Covered Muslim.....Wow. thats the worse, in her eyes. lol I cant even be around her anymore. It frustrates the heck out of me. I want to scream!! I want to give dawah but you cant give dawah to someone who doesnt have a open mind. right? I guess I just have to be a good example. I dont know what to say or do. Just ignore her? Allah guides whom he wills, and sends astray whom he doesnt, right?
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
Salam aliakum . My mother's neighbor is a born again Christian. She is so close minded that she says everyone but her is going to hell. I told my mom that if we are all going to hell, except her, she is going to be very lonely, huh? ahaha. I was kidding.:astag: You cant even talk to her about religion, as she knows it all. In her thoughts and words, all muslims are terrorists, Obama is a muslim so he is a terrorist, she feels sorry for my mother who has a daughter who is a Covered Muslim.....Wow. thats the worse, in her eyes. lol I cant even be around her anymore. It frustrates the heck out of me. I want to scream!! I want to give dawah but you cant give dawah to someone who doesnt have a open mind. right? I guess I just have to be a good example. I dont know what to say or do. Just ignore her? Allah guides whom he wills, and sends astray whom he doesnt, right?

:salam2:

well some people are really stubborn and you just cant change that, but I heard Islam haters and extremely stubborn people have converted so well what you shud do is just show your acts, dont try to convert her but show her what islam is :) actions speak louder than words anywayz
take care
:salam2:
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
no i do not believe in Muhammad is a prophet and the Quran came from God. Im not muslim, Im christian

you asking me who wrote the book revelations or who wrote the quran ?
God
Salaam

Galatians is written by Paul so its clear either you believe in Paul to have recieved a revelation from Jesus pbuh (which the christains think is God) or you believe in prophet Muhammad pbuh and the Quran to came from God.

Its simple as that realy

so who wrote revelation ?

peace.
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
i was just stating some scriptures in the bible to why, a christian would not accept Muhammad and the Quran. someone stated that revelations the last book in the bible; was written way before the other books in the bible which is not true; so i gave a timeline of when most of the books were written.


aslam o alikum
sister IVY could you explain more on the topic your talking about im kinda really confuse
thank u
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
the book of Revelation was the last book to be written. I would have to check but I believe the bible is already pretty much put in chronological order.

i cant recall the one i got it from; but i ll give u a few

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q1_bible_who_wrote.html

University of Minnesota
http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/archive/biblicalDates.html

Especially if you are interested in cultures, religions from historical points of view; discussing the dating of certain artifacts, holy text depending on how big of a college you have in your city; there might be classes


like at 1 point in my town there has been classes offered Archaeology and the Bible, Early History of Christianity; stuff like that. and also especially since holidays coming up history channel, discovery, and TLC they will have specials about judeo-christian belief orgins, the bible, the council of nicea.


Dear Sister Ivy, Does this mean that you are saying the Book of Revelation was the last book in the New Testament to be written? Also, could you tell me where you got the timeframe from for what was written when as I personally am ignorant of these things :) Thanks,

catherine iman
 

Zafran

Muslim Brother
no i do not believe in Muhammad is a prophet and the Quran came from God. Im not muslim, Im christian

you asking me who wrote the book revelations or who wrote the quran ?
God

I'm asking what man did God inspire to write the book revelations (according to christainty) as the Quran is a recitation which was given to Muhammad pbuh we know where it comes from.

so what person was inspired to write revelations? was it Paul

So you believe Paul was inspired by Jesus pbuh (God incarnate) to write his books which say that anybody sees an angel after the gopsles already produced eg new testemest is from the devil - as you quoted galetains 1:6-12?

peace.
 

Zafran

Muslim Brother
salaam

"so what person was inspired to write revelations?"

Apostle of John just looked at the table - thanks
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
Jews didnt except Jesus for various reasons. the biggest 1 being, that Jesus did not fulfill all the prophecies of the messiah. and if you want i can list out the prophecies of the the old testament concerning the messiah, the ones jesus did and didnt fulfill


Ivy, why don't you check Gospel of Nazorean, Gospel of The Holy 12, Gospel of the Ebionites?

Why Yeshua was sent by God? Because the Jews always proud of the lineage, patrilineal lineage, that's why Jesus was born without a father.
And the Jews always claimed that they were the son of Abraham as an excuse to reject Jesus's teaching and all apostles before him. I know thou do not like that Jesus being called apostle of Allah.

Assalam manit taba'a huda.
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
Jesus who is God, because anyone comes different saying anything about the bible concerning Jesus, old testament or new. In comparing the quran to the bible mostly you guys have just the same names of characters. often times the stories about the prophets themselves are different. blood sacrifice of the temple is not addressed; the convenant between God and the Jews; which God said in the bible is everlasting and forever is not addressed, or is it ?


you have to look at the pattern of God; God only sent angels to give messages not give new religious text, revelations. God interacted with Moses himself; an angel didnt give Moses the ten commandments; God interacted even with Jesus himself concerning the new convenant not an angel; all the new testament prophets when they received new teachings like the baptism of fire, it was from God directly not angel. So when Muhammad says an angel goes over the quran with him and not God, recieves this new revelation from an angel and not God is very suspicious..... but correct me if im wrong, did an angel deliver the new revelation in the quran or God?


Revelations talks about the 1000 year reign of the messiah from jerusalem. the messiah fulfilling the rest of the prophecies.

The book of revelations was not written by Paul, that would mean this book was written some 30 years after Paul's death.



Writer: The apostle John in exile

Date: EITHER c AD68-70 following the persecutions of Emperor Nero, but before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70; OR c AD90-95 during the persecutions attributed to Emperor Domitian at the end of his reign AD81-96

Where written: The Aegean island of Patmos off the west coast of Asia Minor

Reader: The seven named churches of Asia, and the entire Church of Christ

Why: An apocalyptic book describing the revelation Jesus Christ gave to John. The beginning of the Bible (Genesis 1-11) is a prologue describing the downfall of mankind and his separation from God. Revelation is an epilogue in which God and man are reconciled through Christ

Apocalyptic - Greek for "uncover", "reveal". The revealing of great or violent events and especially the end of the world, often described in Jewish apocalyptic literature. The word is applied especially to the Book of Revelation which bears comparison with the Old Testament Books of Daniel and parts of Isaiah, Ezekiel and Zechariah.

In Asia Minor, John the Evangelist is to have been boiled in oil, and yet miraculously survived, and was thus the only original Apostle of Jesus not to be martyred.


Revelation was written .....

To warn and encourage the churches of Asia as they underwent internal problems and external persecution within the Roman Empire (chapters 1:1-3:22). It then describes how Jesus Christ the Lamb of God is the "instrument" of:

(1) God's judgment on the whole universe (chapters 4:1-19:10);

(2) The final defeat of evil (chapters 19:11-20:15), and:

(3) The coming of a new heaven and a new earth - the new Jerusalem (chapters 21:1-22:5).

It closes with Christ's final appeal to all mankind (chapter 22:6-21).




I'm asking what man did God inspire to write the book revelations (according to christainty) as the Quran is a recitation which was given to Muhammad pbuh we know where it comes from.

so what person was inspired to write revelations? was it Paul

So you believe Paul was inspired by Jesus pbuh (God incarnate) to write his books which say that anybody sees an angel after the gopsles already produced eg new testemest is from the devil - as you quoted galetains 1:6-12?

peace.
 
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