Why doesn't Christians believe in Islam?

nyerekareem

abdur-rahman
:salam2:

what has to be understood is that christians feel that the redemptive process is done with the death and resurrection of ISA(AS). that there is no other work or prophet necessary anymore. if you speak with an evangelical christian, they will say that the only work that matters is Christ's death on the cross ( audhu billah ). they believe that their faith in him is enough to gain salvation. hence, meaning that none of our good deeds mean nothing because the most important deed ever done was by Christ. we muslims believe that our good deeds do matter, not just our faith.

they i.e. christians believe in the concept of original sin. they believe that the fall of ADAM(AS) and Eve (AS) were passed on to us. we as muslims believe that no one bears the burden of anyone's sin. that we are all accountable for our own actions.

the final book in the bible known as the book of revelation mentions in it's last few verses that if anyone adds or takes away from the book, they will be punished. then Jesus' words are said " i come quickly. " therefore, they do not believe in any new revelation e.g. the quran. what the christian groups do not understand is that the book of revelation was written many years later and that the bible is a series of books, not just one. they see those last few verses meaning the whole bible, which is the incorrect interpretation.
:wasalam:
 

Zafran

Muslim Brother
salaam

Muhammad pbuh recieved the revelation from Angel Gabriel and he did talk to God when he went to the Miraj to recieve the 5 prayers - secodanly the convenant of the Jews only lasts until they rejected the messiah Isa (as) after rejecting a prophet of God they were no longer the choosen people - the Nazerenes (christains) do a major mistake of calling Jesus pbuh God which ofcourse is a blasphemy in Islam and Judiaism.

Their proof is the new testemnet but whats odd about the new testemnet is that it was constructed after Isa (as) by normal men some who never met him in person but claim to wirte for him. Its more like a hadith.

Revelations were given to prophets - the pslams is a sacred book in Islam given to David pbuh and another book was given to Abraham pbuh but which is lost. Ofcourse the lost Injeel to Isa (as) and the torah to Moses pbuh.

The Quran does talk about Isa (as) as having the Injeel but that was the revelation given to him which the christains dont have today as it was in araimc the language isa (as) spoke suprisingly similar to arabic.

mark 1:14 "Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God,"

now ofcourse the new testemnet says alot of things and can be seen in very different ways.

hes a problem i find

If Jesus pbuh is God then why does he not know the time of the last day - instaed he says that the father only knows. They cant be the same being if one of them knows the time of the hour whilst the other one does not.

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." - mark 13:32.

I always found this as a glaring problem.
 

cmelbouzaidi

Junior Member
:salam2:

what has to be understood is that christians feel that the redemptive process is done with the death and resurrection of ISA(AS). that there is no other work or prophet necessary anymore. if you speak with an evangelical christian, they will say that the only work that matters is Christ's death on the cross ( audhu billah ). they believe that their faith in him is enough to gain salvation. hence, meaning that none of our good deeds mean nothing because the most important deed ever done was by Christ. we muslims believe that our good deeds do matter, not just our faith.

they i.e. christians believe in the concept of original sin. they believe that the fall of ADAM(AS) and Eve (AS) were passed on to us. we as muslims believe that no one bears the burden of anyone's sin. that we are all accountable for our own actions.

the final book in the bible known as the book of revelation mentions in it's last few verses that if anyone adds or takes away from the book, they will be punished. then Jesus' words are said " i come quickly. " therefore, they do not believe in any new revelation e.g. the quran. what the christian groups do not understand is that the book of revelation was written many years later and that the bible is a series of books, not just one. they see those last few verses meaning the whole bible, which is the incorrect interpretation.
:wasalam:

:salam2: Jazak Allahu Khair for the explanation, brother :) Alhamdulillah, I am so happy ALLAH brought me to Islam :)

catherine iman
:wasalam:
 

cmelbouzaidi

Junior Member
salaam

Muhammad pbuh recieved the revelation from Angel Gabriel and he did talk to God when he went to the Miraj to recieve the 5 prayers - secodanly the convenant of the Jews only lasts until they rejected the messiah Isa (as) after rejecting a prophet of God they were no longer the choosen people - the Nazerenes (christains) do a major mistake of calling Jesus pbuh God which ofcourse is a blasphemy in Islam and Judiaism.

Their proof is the new testemnet but whats odd about the new testemnet is that it was constructed after Isa (as) by normal men some who never met him in person but claim to wirte for him. Its more like a hadith.

Revelations were given to prophets - the pslams is a sacred book in Islam given to David pbuh and another book was given to Abraham pbuh but which is lost. Ofcourse the lost Injeel to Isa (as) and the torah to Moses pbuh.

The Quran does talk about Isa (as) as having the Injeel but that was the revelation given to him which the christains dont have today as it was in araimc the language isa (as) spoke suprisingly similar to arabic.

mark 1:14 "Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God,"

now ofcourse the new testemnet says alot of things and can be seen in very different ways.

hes a problem i find

If Jesus pbuh is God then why does he not know the time of the last day - instaed he says that the father only knows. They cant be the same being if one of them knows the time of the hour whilst the other one does not.

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." - mark 13:32.

I always found this as a glaring problem.

:salam2: gosh, that would seem like a glaring problem to me, too :) when i was in catholic school, we never really did any bible study and any questions were put down to you not having enough "faith"..... how then can a christian explain that the father, son and spirit are one, :astag:, or three in one?

:wasalam:
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
some believe that the quote refers to the whole bible or maybe just the revelation; either way quran contradicts the whole bible and the book revelations by itself. Good works, is not look at as nothing. but you cant do good things simply, or do good things to replace bad ones in order to get into heaven. its the mercy from God that gets you into heaven; and this was something was taught prior to jesus. one's sins can not be attoned but through a blood sacrifice which was practiced over 1000 + years before Jesus. if you want those passages of the bible, ill be happy to post

:salam2:

what has to be understood is that christians feel that the redemptive process is done with the death and resurrection of ISA(AS). that there is no other work or prophet necessary anymore. if you speak with an evangelical christian, they will say that the only work that matters is Christ's death on the cross ( audhu billah ). they believe that their faith in him is enough to gain salvation. hence, meaning that none of our good deeds mean nothing because the most important deed ever done was by Christ. we muslims believe that our good deeds do matter, not just our faith.

they i.e. christians believe in the concept of original sin. they believe that the fall of ADAM(AS) and Eve (AS) were passed on to us. we as muslims believe that no one bears the burden of anyone's sin. that we are all accountable for our own actions.

the final book in the bible known as the book of revelation mentions in it's last few verses that if anyone adds or takes away from the book, they will be punished. then Jesus' words are said " i come quickly. " therefore, they do not believe in any new revelation e.g. the quran. what the christian groups do not understand is that the book of revelation was written many years later and that the bible is a series of books, not just one. they see those last few verses meaning the whole bible, which is the incorrect interpretation.
:wasalam:
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
after briefly researching

Gospel of the Ebionites - which is contradictory of course to christian teachings on the death of Jesus needed as the atonement of sins adopted gnostic beliefs. but they also belief Jesus was not a miraculous birth. They believe Joseph and Mary consumated in order to have him.



The text appears, as far as can be determined, to be an attempt to merge the synoptic gospels into a single story. However, it has minor changes suited to Ebionite theology, specifically making Jesus a vegetarian, and rendering him in the adoptionist form. Much of these changes are accomplished by clever and subtle changes of greek words, such as a meal of akris (locusts) into one of egkris (cake). The Ebionites (from Hebrew; Ebionim, the poor ones) were a sect of Judean followers of John the Baptizer and later Jesus (Yeshua in Aramaic) which existed in Judea and Palestine during the early centuries of the Common Era. ... Adoptionism is a view held by some early medieval Christians, that Jesus was born a human only, and was not divine until his baptism, at which point he was adopted as the Son by God the Father. ...


These differences were considered heretical by the more orthodox church, leading to charges that the text was forged and mutilated. Ultimately, it suffered the same fate as the Ebionites, whatever that was.


http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Gospel-of-the-Ebionites

But if you guys would like around the holiday season. there will often times be specials on tv discussing the books of the bible and why certain ones weren't
put in. often times these texts were to old; i.e the gospel of barnabas.

this is not something is hidden by the church, just like why some hadiths are not excepted. there is actually a science behind these issues called scriptual criticism, when those who are fluent in greek, aramic etcstudy the text in its original language. plus now there is carbon dating which will actually test to see how old something especially,when one is claiming a text is a original. When someone comes forward to say the text they have is original from 45 a.d. and you test it and its really from the 15th centry or it can be as simple as a text using the word dinosaur and we all know a word like that wouldnt exist in 1 a.d text



Ivy, why don't you check Gospel of Nazorean, Gospel of The Holy 12, Gospel of the Ebionites?

Why Yeshua was sent by God? Because the Jews always proud of the lineage, patrilineal lineage, that's why Jesus was born without a father.
And the Jews always claimed that they were the son of Abraham as an excuse to reject Jesus's teaching and all apostles before him. I know thou do not like that Jesus being called apostle of Allah.

Assalam manit taba'a huda.
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
salaam

Muhammad pbuh recieved the revelation from Angel Gabriel and he did talk to God when he went to the Miraj to recieve the 5 prayers - secodanly the convenant of the Jews only lasts until they rejected the messiah Isa (as) after rejecting a prophet of God they were no longer the choosen people - the Nazerenes (christains) do a major mistake of calling Jesus pbuh God which ofcourse is a blasphemy in Islam and Judiaism.

Their proof is the new testemnet but whats odd about the new testemnet is that it was constructed after Isa (as) by normal men some who never met him in person but claim to wirte for him. Its more like a hadith.

Revelations were given to prophets - the pslams is a sacred book in Islam given to David pbuh and another book was given to Abraham pbuh but which is lost. Ofcourse the lost Injeel to Isa (as) and the torah to Moses pbuh.

The Quran does talk about Isa (as) as having the Injeel but that was the revelation given to him which the christains dont have today as it was in araimc the language isa (as) spoke suprisingly similar to arabic.

mark 1:14 "Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God,"

now ofcourse the new testemnet says alot of things and can be seen in very different ways.

hes a problem i find

If Jesus pbuh is God then why does he not know the time of the last day - instaed he says that the father only knows. They cant be the same being if one of them knows the time of the hour whilst the other one does not.

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." - mark 13:32.

I always found this as a glaring problem.


convenant of the Jews only lasts until they rejected the messiah Isa - thats not what the bible says , or is that something just the quran says ? and how are " the books" all lost? dont you think an archaeologist would of of found them somewhere, or some "true believers"
not trying to change " true text" preserve them.....? Islam is a religion of evidence right? where is the evidence outside the quran that proves these text ever existed ? isnt that very convient for someone to say.

Jesus is God presented in a form of man in which will not destroy the essence of man. If Jesus, God incarnate came to earth displaying all the abilities and likeness of God, there would be no purpose to his humanity. But then again Jesus does says he's in God.....

it wasnt blaspemy. if you want to be post the old jewish scriptures the talk about Jesus , i will be happy to do so, that prophecises one that will bear the iniquities of mankind. ..
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
I don't know where you got your timeline but the authorship and timeline of Revelations is still hotly disputed among Christian scholars. Furthermore carbon dating is fairly useless when we do not have any of the original latters of Paul, the 4 gospels, or Revelations in it's original form. At best we have tattered copies of copies with holes smattered here and there.

I've read the NT many times and no where does Jesus (pbuh) state he is God. Later on in the letters of Paul he claims this is stated in a vision but again, who is Paul anyways? A man who stated it was better for people not to marry and remain virgins, that suddenly everyone can eat pork and men go uncircumcised, and that we must worship a man as God in carnate. None of these things are stated by Jesus (pbuh) in the four gospels yet once the Nicean Creed came out suddenly you have the trinity and Paul's words mean more than the four gospels.

Paul never even stated his letters were inspired word of God, but when the compilation of the NT was done they decided to just chuck that in as well. The Christians call the Tanach part of the Holy inspired Word of God. Whereas the Jews will tell you that the Torah (first five books) all the holy scripture. The bible was not "in order" until the Nicean council VOTED on the books that are considered scripture and what is heresy. Also, they VOTED on the divinity of Jesus. (pbuh) Christians believe what they believe due to a vote.

And you wrong about Angels being the only messengers, what about Moses? (pbuh) He brought down the ten commandments and also gave the 613 laws stated in the Torah. There were no angels involoved in this according to the book you hold holy.

The Chrisitans use this word trinity but in reality it is polytheism decorated as monotheism. "God in three persons" :astag: And let's all remember that the purpose of this site is to clear up misconceptions about Islam not preach the misguided beliefs of Christians. Just reading that Jesus is God makes my stomach hurt and fear come about, to worship ANYONE as God besides God Himself is the absolute highest sin.

~Sarah
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
yes it is debated when it was written around the 60ish ad or 90 ish ad. in the beginning or end of apostle john carerr. I got it off the university website, I posted. i mean the bible if you read in its form now is it put in chronological order, just like the 5 books of the torah is put in chronlogical order. Moses is a prophet who recieved the ten commandments from God, not an angel. If trinity is polytheism. which 1 of the 3 does the muslim worship ?


So if christians are polytheists? and the there is no original torah or originial " gospel" are christians and jews the people of the books, that no longer exist ?

i have not teaching my beliefs. some have posted questions, and i just answered them.



I don't know where you got your timeline but the authorship and timeline of Revelations is still hotly disputed among Christian scholars. Furthermore carbon dating is fairly useless when we do not have any of the original latters of Paul, the 4 gospels, or Revelations in it's original form. At best we have tattered copies of copies with holes smattered here and there.

So if christians are polytheists? and the there is no original torah or originial " gospel" are christians and jews the people of the books, that no longer exist ?

i have not teaching my beliefs. some have posted questions, and i just answered them.

if you want me to post some of the stuff Jesus talked about, then i can post the new convenant, communion, him prophesizing his own death. but since the "bible" is not the " original text" you wouldnt believe it right ?

I am gladly to find a history of Paul, who he is and his life, if you like ? He did not state suddenly people could just eat pork, i ll post the passage where that new revelation from God and not angel was given, if you like as well. And ill post where Paul says when he recieves revelation and what he calls "recommended advice" if you like ? And ill give you some passages as well to where angels appear in the bible, and examples of what they do




I've read the NT many times and no where does Jesus (pbuh) state he is God. Later on in the letters of Paul he claims this is stated in a vision but again, who is Paul anyways? A man who stated it was better for people not to marry and remain virgins, that suddenly everyone can eat pork and men go uncircumcised, and that we must worship a man as God in carnate. None of these things are stated by Jesus (pbuh) in the four gospels yet once the Nicean Creed came out suddenly you have the trinity and Paul's words mean more than the four gospels.

Paul never even stated his letters were inspired word of God, but when the compilation of the NT was done they decided to just chuck that in as well. The Christians call the Tanach part of the Holy inspired Word of God. Whereas the Jews will tell you that the Torah (first five books) all the holy scripture. The bible was not "in order" until the Nicean council VOTED on the books that are considered scripture and what is heresy. Also, they VOTED on the divinity of Jesus. (pbuh) Christians believe what they believe due to a vote.

And you wrong about Angels being the only messengers, what about Moses? (pbuh) He brought down the ten commandments and also gave the 613 laws stated in the Torah. There were no angels involoved in this according to the book you hold holy.

The Chrisitans use this word trinity but in reality it is polytheism decorated as monotheism. "God in three persons" :astag: And let's all remember that the purpose of this site is to clear up misconceptions about Islam not preach the misguided beliefs of Christians. Just reading that Jesus is God makes my stomach hurt and fear come about, to worship ANYONE as God besides God Himself is the absolute highest sin.

~Sarah
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
no i am not. people have asked questions, and im answering. if you read the quote boxes prior to my response, you see im addressing previous statements and questions of members. one can teach someone the beliefs of a religion, so that person can get an understanding, without trying to evangelize. i have been on this site 2 years, if i was preaching my religion, i would of been blocked like others you have seen get blocked on this site.


:salam2: blackivy i want to know are you trying to preach christianity.
 
:salam2: sister blackivy. If you are not preaching then i dont know what you are doing. You wrote i believe Isa AS is God . When you say that and then you give a whole list according to your belief then u r preaching and say you why u dont believe that Muhammad SAW is a prophet. I really feel dear you need to really read the Quran. I dont think u have even read it. Being on the website for 2 yrs and yet you dont believe and yet you come back. Maybe in you soul you know you r wrong and searching for an answer
 

blackivy393

Junior Member
that is not preaching. that is be stating my belief. and if you see prior a member had asked me what i believed. and yes i have read the quran. no i actually i on this website to see the view points of muslim on the world issues, other faiths, what you guys beliefs are, your interpretation of your own scriptures. some one asked why the christians dont recieve islam. i have stated to why some dont, with the siting of biblical text

:salam2: sister blackivy. If you are not preaching then i dont know what you are doing. You wrote i believe Isa AS is God . When you say that and then you give a whole list according to your belief then u r preaching and say you why u dont believe that Muhammad SAW is a prophet. I really feel dear you need to really read the Quran. I dont think u have even read it. Being on the website for 2 yrs and yet you dont believe and yet you come back. Maybe in you soul you know you r wrong and searching for an answer
 

amt02100

New Member
Jehovah Witnesses are really close to there belief. I grew up with a congregation of about 100 Jehovah Witnesses and even out side the house of worship each lived as they believed God wanted them too(to the best of his/her ability). I did not get baptized but I spent 14 years (age 6-20) as a practicing witness, although my studies(college) consumed my life, I still hold admiration for each Jehovah Witness who succeeds in over coming worldly temptation, keeping them self safe until marriage, and avoiding uncalled lustful acts, to name a few.
As I am furthering my education, I find it easier to befriend Muslims, then most anybody else ; Since there belief runs so close to what I was raised to believe, and feel is true. I will admit, I find it easier to be a God fearing person outside of the congregation as I instill more Islamic beliefs into my life.

It is sad that there are so many distorted beliefs Christianity. As it also sad that any religion becomes tainted by sinful man.
BTW Jehovah Witnesses do not believe in Trinity or a soulful punishment after death, just a joyous righteous, resurrection up on a paradise earth, which is free from sickness and war, and where if one follows the will of God he/she will be permitted to live.
(I know I used to few words to sum all this up for this I am sorry)
 

BinteShafi

Left long ago
:salam2:

I have been trying to understand what sister blackivy is saying. It is extremely complicated to understand and digest... (I do not think I am that dumb). Come on sister ...Be Rationale and Logical...Not just Mere Belief......READ QUR'AN
 

cmelbouzaidi

Junior Member
:salam2: it seems to me as a revert to Islam from Christianity, that the teachings of Islam are so clear and i don't mean to offend anyone, but the teachings of today's Christianity are, well, clear as mud! every time i watch debates between Ahmed Deedat and a Christian preacher, the preacher, whoever it might be, avoids answering any questions directly whereas Ahmed Deedat was so precise and clear whether he was discussing Qur'an or Bible! :ma:

i hope, sister ivy, you might study Qur'an and also study what an important part of Islam, Prophet Jesus ('Isa) is, peace be upon him. he is the Messiah for us, too... i recently learned that Messiah and Christ mean the same thing (i never knew that all these years). we believe that ALLAH would have never allowed Jesus to be crucified to suffer for our sins and to give us a free ticket to Paradise. as i have mentioned before, it is like when you work hard towards a tough exam or career promotion and you succeed, it feels sweet, doesn't it? what if you were to lie and cheat or behave immorally to work your way to the top, i don't think that would feel as sweet for anyone of conscience..... as Muslims, we must work very hard in this life to be the best servants of ALLAH we can be according to the teachings of Qur'an and Sunnah, there is no free ticket to Paradise.... preparing for the Hereafter should be our main goal in worship and in our very being and how we treat our fellow human-beings, animals and all of ALLAH's creation. for things to be fair, to a logical person, a reward has to be worked towards to be realized.... ALLAH is the Most Merciful and the Most Just..... expecting a free ride because you "come thru Jesus" as they say, is not going to work, if you have lived a life not dedicated to obeying ALLAH and a life of associating partners with him, which is a fundamental sin according to the true beliefs of the original monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. i, personally, would not want to be granted Paradise with the blood of somebody else on my hands, let alone a most noble Prophet's blood, like 'Isa (Jesus).

i met a lady in florida who had grown up in a strict baptist family. while they were learning how to bring people into the "faith", they were openly taught how to lie and deceive.... she thought to herself, if the message is true, why are we being taught to deceive people? she left when she was a young woman and found Islam, Alhamdulillah :)

i would really warn people who preach things, knowing that it is not The Truth. ALLAH knows what everyone is capable of understanding and we will be accountable for our actions when we stand alone before ALLAH.

seek knowledge, brothers and sisters, muslims and non-muslims, you have access to computers and internet, there is a wealth of knowledge at a click of a few buttons.... do not do yourself and especially not the Almighty a disservice :( seek knowledge just as the Qur'an encourages us :) Alhamdulillah.

:wasalam:
 

Zafran

Muslim Brother
convenant of the Jews only lasts until they rejected the messiah Isa - thats not what the bible says , or is that something just the quran says ? and how are " the books" all lost? dont you think an archaeologist would of of found them somewhere, or some "true believers"
not trying to change " true text" preserve them.....? Islam is a religion of evidence right? where is the evidence outside the quran that proves these text ever existed ? isnt that very convient for someone to say.

Jesus is God presented in a form of man in which will not destroy the essence of man. If Jesus, God incarnate came to earth displaying all the abilities and likeness of God, there would be no purpose to his humanity. But then again Jesus does says he's in God.....

it wasnt blaspemy. if you want to be post the old jewish scriptures the talk about Jesus , i will be happy to do so, that prophecises one that will bear the iniquities of mankind. ..

salaam

Archaeology also has no evidence of the existence of many prophets such as Abraham pbuh and others - you know why becasue its a unreliable field of research which only seriously developed in the 19th cnetury and then re vitalised in the 60s thorugh post proccesual archeaology i know i'm doing a degree in it. Even further you can not excavate in the state of Isreal today and muslim lands becasue its seen as offensive in digging up peoples bodies -so its very hard to even start research in this subject.

On top of that the book that christ taught or the messege he taught is here

"mark1:14 Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God,"


tell me what does this mean and what was Isa (as) preaching thats what muslims believe in not the new testement which was after Isa (as) its like a hadith - it could also be that the Injeel was never written down as it could have been only orally known (like the Quran and Torah) by Isa (as) disciples and whatever was written could easily be destroyed as many people in the early years of christainty hated it and persecuted christains including Paul who later converted.

On top of that the Jews were thrown out of Isreal if you remember and had recraete there book - it could have been lost there -

Ultimatley it could have been lost anywhere what is clear is that the new testement was written after christ and says many thing some things that are contradictory and OT is in third person narrative why is it like that?? whos narrating??
 

Rashadi

Junior Member
42 A.D. : Gospel of Mark
42 A.D. : Gospel of John (main body of Gospel)

50 A.D.

50 A.D. : Book of 1Thessalonians
51 A.D. : Book of 2Thessalonians
53 A.D. (Spring) : Book of Galatians
56 A.D. (Late Winter) : Book of 1Corinthians
57 A.D. (Late Summer) : Book of 2Corinthians
57 A.D. (Winter) : Book of Romans
59 A.D. : Gospel of Luke

60 A.D.

61 to 63 A.D. : Book of Ephesians
Book of Philippians -
Book of Colossians -
Book of Philemon -
Book of Hebrews -

63 A.D. : Book of Acts -
Book of 1Timothy -
Book of Titus -

63 to 64 A.D. : Books of 1John, 2John and 3John

64 to 65 A.D. : Book of 1Peter

65 to 66 A.D. : Book of 2Peter



95 A.D. : Book of Revelation


The book of Revelation was not the last book written but other books were written after. Just because the Church fathers, who decided what would be considered scripture, placed this book in the end, it does not mean it was the last book written. In fact, the book Revelation does not exist in the every Bible depending on the denomination. Some denominations or versions do not have it. It had long been debated and even Martin Luther King, the Protestant reformer, wanted to throw it out long ago. This is not my opinion but the facts stated by Bible scholars.

May God open your heart and mind and may he He guide you to the straight path, Amin.
 

Rashadi

Junior Member
some believe that the quote refers to the whole bible or maybe just the revelation; either way quran contradicts the whole bible and the book revelations by itself. Good works, is not look at as nothing. but you cant do good things simply, or do good things to replace bad ones in order to get into heaven. its the mercy from God that gets you into heaven; and this was something was taught prior to jesus. one's sins can not be attoned but through a blood sacrifice which was practiced over 1000 + years before Jesus. if you want those passages of the bible, ill be happy to post

The Bible contradicts itself first of all and it further contradicts between New and Old Testament. It is very obvious that God could not be the author of both testaments. The difference between the Quran and the Bible is that the latter is a collection of corrupt manuscripts and the Quran is the direct revealed word of God. All the faith and good deeds is not sufficient for heaven but it is still the mercy of God. This is clear from the Islamic sources(Quran and Sunnah). The concept of original sin is a contradiction and a falsehood. It has no basis in the Old Testament and the Jews do not believe God needs a blood scarifice to atone for sins. God is the Creator of everything and, therefore He created sin as well. He can forgive, punish and does not need anyone to die. God does not have any needs nor does He have to scarifice anything. Who does God have to sacrifice to when He is the owner of the heavens, earth and everything?

There is no doubt that Christianity has to be implemented by brainwashing at early age and that by the time a person has reached adulthood, his/her mind is screwed up and it is hard to explain common things to them. I was fortunate not have been forced to go to church when I was a Christian and i remained open minded. My asking too many questions were too hard for the priests and pastors to answer. There is also a good reason why much of the Bible is avoided by the pastors because it will create trouble for them. Whenever the Christian wants to prove the trinity, original sin or any other concept which is contrary to the teachings of Jesus (pbuh), he/she have to quote from the letters of Paul. Their faith is not in Jesus Christ but in Paul who was an enemy to the followers of Jesus in Jerusalem. When we talk Christianity and Jesus (pbuh) we are talking about two different things. Jesus, as we know, was the Messiah. He was born in a unique way, he was a word of God, and a messenger sent to the children of Israel to bring them back to the path of Moses(pbuh).

During the time of Jesus, and even before his coming, the holy land was under a brudal Roman occupation. The Jews were split into groups. A party of them had compromised their religion and law giver(God) in order to benefit from the Roman occupation. They gained wealth, Romam citizenship, licenses to conduct business within the empire and they compromised their religion in order to get these things. Another party of Jews, this included John the Baptist (pbuh) and James the Just, who was the leader of the Jesus movement, belonged to the group that was trying to uphold the Torah and worship God as the absolute ruler of the land. The religion of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all) was one which required tota submission to the will of God. It does not mean just to believe there is only one God, but it means only God is to be worshiped and that means accepting God as the ruler, law giver and true kind. This was trouble for the Romans and the Jews who had sold out. The Romans crucified the pious Jews by the thousands because they were against the occupation. They had established themselves as rulers of the land, over taxed the Jews who were anti-occupation, crucified them by the thousands, and carried out many other brutal punishments.

Christians have theory that crucifixion was a one time event that was reserved for Jesus(pbuh) but it is not true. This was a common practice and generations of Jews were crucified. Not just men, but women, children and old were crucified. This was the time period in which Jesus came. Jesus didn't come to die for the sins of Christians but came to libirate and bring his people back to the correct path. To not compromise their religon, to not neglect the Torah and sin against the law giver. When Jesus is recorded to have said (in the Quran) "Oh Children of Israel, worship God, my lord and your lord, and follow me", these were automatically fightinf words for the Romans and the corrupt Jews. Because he is calling on them to submit to God and worship Him rather than compromise, would the Romans want such preachings? Would they want to hear such sermons? I don't think so. However, if he preached, as the New Testament falsely states, "to pay your taxes" "love those who are persecuting you" and all of the other absurd things, would the Romans or the Jewish sell outs want to kill such a Messiah?

If you love Jesus Christ, then you will have no choice but to come to Islam because that is where you will find him. The Quran clearly states how they plotted to kill him and they say that they have killed the Messiah Jesus, but the Quran refutes that and clarifies that God, being mighty and wise, raised him and rescued him from his enemies. The Crucifixion of Jesus was from the start a heresy. It was based on ignorance and guess work. All of the available writings of that time period testify that the movement of Jesus were pious Jews, who upheld the Torah, worshiped God in ablsolute monotheism and that they were anti-occupation. If his followers were so, if John the Baptist and James the Just were so, it is likely that Jesus was such as well. Christianity is the religion of Paul and he was not a follower of Jesus. He was a pharisee, one who hate these types of Jews, who was anti Torah and was an enemy to the followers of Jesus. At one point, the followers of Jesus picked up stones to stone Paul and he had to get rescued by Roman soldiers because he was a citizen.

In reality, Paul never knew Jesus nor believed in him. He was an agent of Rome and being a clever person, he used the misconception that Jesus was cucified to be an atonement for salvation. This has nothing to do with Jesus and one will never find the true Jesus in the New Testament. The New Testament is not the Injeel that Jesus brought and the books were written to cover up the reality of Jesus Christ and his movement. If you want to continue believing that Jesus is God(blasphemy) and that he died for your sins, you can do so but you will not be able to play blind on the day of judgement because you were warned. I encourage you to investigate this matter further, I be more than glad to give you some links and recommended readings. I hope you will clear your mind and heart from the prejudices and study Islam with an open mind.

May Allah guide you to the straight path Amin.
 
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