Salam Aleykum Sister and Bros,
why do i or we need to compare Ataturk and the other greath mens in Turkish history?
what is the point?
I agree Mehmet Han was more important than Ataturk in turkish history because he made Ottomans an emperor. and importance of Otoman gazi is not debateable. (Not Uthman)
Was it Ataturk who attacked Ottoman lands? or The emperialist power and our Arab rulers (no offense to arab friends )who destroyed ottoman?
There is nothing like that there happen to be a new state from zero which is impossible at the time of Atatürk. Turkey has very old traditions on governings and cultures Unfortunately turks re not as greath as they were before. because they lost the civilization battle against to the west..their economy.. culture.. infrasutructures. Those were all too long before Ataturk born
ı also benefited your ideas about turkeys foreign policy especialy about EU. But it is too long list to talk about on the tread.
i dont want to be out of the points. But if you re interested .. to say a few. i dont want EU union.
Turk have central assian root but they do not shame for it but honoured (my opinion ) when they invade mid east they get manything from Byzans. Persian and Arab culture.
Secularism wasnt an imitation.. was the result of ottoman reforms. Do you think westernization reforms started in Ataturk times? it has too long way back.
Plust turkish islamic history is not 500 years old more than that.
as to the ayet mentioned.. you look as if no muslim country had relation with the Eur countries.i dont know what ever the religion of the state means.and what the friend of the state means. Do you think any state will go to Jannat or Hell?
plus there re many thing worth to phrase in European history to take example of greath arthist scholars. taking example of is not friendship just learning. You know anchtient greek contrubute much to islam scholarships.
unfortunately Christians.. Jew .. Muslim .. re just a brand name now a days.. Allah know who is muslim and faithfull.
as to the many of the ayet given as an example.. Muslim should be lead by muslim. Do you advice the society to elect represent who is muslim in the democratic parlimenter system?
i agree with you. Or do you mean if i choose non-muslim in the election i ll go to hell ? But i dont know who is muslim who is not in this age. first the one who has iman second the one who has money is not known.
Muslim can demand any right.. Even they can deman ban on gambling whic is also ban in Islam (you can gamble in secularist Turkey) there re some turkish friend here ask them.
Unfortunately seeming like areligious people for example seeming like a perfect muslim make good money all around the world.. Allah may bless real muslims like you sharingan (i suppose you re muslim )
Do you think no compulsion in religion confront those ayets? Allah may guide all of us. you and me may not go out of his orders.
Secularism mean.. The state is not allowed to mandate anything the state think religious to the society on the other words no compusion on the religion.
But people must live their religion freely whic is verily possible in secularism.
you say there is no secularism in Islam religion can you also say there is no freedom of vicdan in islam too?
i dont realy understand why should i mandated to obey any interpratation of Islam.. But i choose with my free will.
Why the khalips have to be a turk? You demand ottoman Khalip right? there re son of Ottoman still alive why dont for example Wahabies establis one of them as new khalips?
as i said you re too sensitive about antidemocracies in turkey may be about what i tell too. It is arguable that wheather a khaliphate would be good or not.
ı think if muslim society have a khaliphate there would be good. so that we wont be represented by the terrorists.
i dont know would islam countries join Turkey politicaly under as it was before if there would be a khaliph in istanbul . Or may be it would be like Pope of Rome. Or do you advice turkey first establish a khalip amongs Ottoman family as it was before then invade muslim world again like old times grand turks?
Dont you see what is happening in Gaza our muslim brothers and sisters re dieing. The muslim world is slient on the calling of brothership. would it be different if the calling is from one having title "khaliph"?
would multi millioner petrolium muslims invest more in muslim countries more than they invest in non muslim countries for example US?
What is the use of Khalip in modern days in whic ottoman empire collapsed. and muslim world is divided many politics and fanatism?
Have you read Lozan act?
I still admire the succes of turkish matries on the battle field Sharingan
Cant you see some curses in the rooms like "go hell Ataturk"
Let them tell it is to their share.