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massi
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I don't understand can you explain more
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vegangoth
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I don't understand can you explain more
He means the the so called "Muslim child" ( or christian etc) is only a muslim because their parent are. A diffrent expample is this I was raised in a christian household my parents were church going christians so I was seen as a Christian child. It was only when I was old enough to make my own mind up that I could decide form myself what religon I wanted to follow. Hope that makes it easier to undertsand.
thariq2005
Praise be to Allah!
The children maybe known as the children of a christian, a muslim, or a jew, but in Islam we believe that every child is born on something called Fitrah (Natural disposition), which basically means that every child is born a believer in the Oneness of Allah. But happens to deviate away from it by growing up with its parents. Hope that answered something.
vegangoth
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So you disagree with his statment and are saying that every child born to muslim parents is a muslim, am I undertanding that right?
thariq2005
Praise be to Allah!
No I mean whatever background the child is born into, whether it be a christian family, jewish family, or muslim family, then that is born into this family as a Believer in God, but its spiritual life changes according to the way it is bought up. (Does that make sense at all, or have i confused you more :S???). So yeah as he said the they are only children of christian, muslim etc, but in reality they are born as believers in God Almighty
vegangoth
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massi
Junior Member
Like you , you are born Muslim which means a monotheism but your parent in the beginning and the environment in the following will encourage this true belief on you or change to another one like Satanism,christian,and so on !!!aaaahhhh! I undertsand you perfectly now. And it makes a lot of sense.
but as you have born Muslim always the bells will hit in your mind when you 'll be in the wrong way !!
thariq2005
Praise be to Allah!
aaaahhhh! I undertsand you perfectly now. And it makes a lot of sense.
Praise be to Allah, I am glad you understand now. *phew* that took me some time
hehe
Munawar
Striving for Paradise
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Sister,
Unlike Christianity we have been told that every child born in this world is innocent, that is why we believe that if a person dies in his/her childhood then that person (child) will NOT go through the accounting process on the Day of Judgment and will go to the Paradise. InshaAllah.
Here are Hadith or Hadees (sayings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)).
Book 33, Number 6425:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: No child is born but upon Fitra. He then said. Recite: The nature made by Allah in which He created man, there is no altering of Allah's nature; that is the right religion."
Hadith 2:441
Narrated Abu Huraira :
Allah's Apostle said, "Every child is born with a true faith of Islam (i.e. to worship none but Allah alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism, Christianity or Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: "The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith of Islam) (i.e. worshipping none but Allah) with which He has created human beings. No change let there be in the religion of Allah (i.e. joining none in worship with Allah). That is the straight religion (Islam) but most of men know, not." (30.30)
Sister,
Unlike Christianity we have been told that every child born in this world is innocent, that is why we believe that if a person dies in his/her childhood then that person (child) will NOT go through the accounting process on the Day of Judgment and will go to the Paradise. InshaAllah.
Here are Hadith or Hadees (sayings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)).
Book 33, Number 6425:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: No child is born but upon Fitra. He then said. Recite: The nature made by Allah in which He created man, there is no altering of Allah's nature; that is the right religion."
Hadith 2:441
Narrated Abu Huraira :
Allah's Apostle said, "Every child is born with a true faith of Islam (i.e. to worship none but Allah alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism, Christianity or Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: "The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith of Islam) (i.e. worshipping none but Allah) with which He has created human beings. No change let there be in the religion of Allah (i.e. joining none in worship with Allah). That is the straight religion (Islam) but most of men know, not." (30.30)
Nurain
Junior Member
Fitrah
The Fitrah
Since Allaah made all human beings swear to his Godhood, when he created Aadam, this oath is printed on the human soul even before it enters the fetus in the fifth month of pregnancy. So when a child is born, it has with it a natural belief in Allaah. This natural belief is called in Arabic the "Fitrah". If the child were left alone, it would grow up aware of Allaah in His unity, but all children are affected by the pressures of their environment whether directly or indirectly.
The Prophet salallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam reported that Allaah said, "I created My servants in the right religion but the devils made them go astray."(Sahih Muslim)
The Prophet salallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", but his parents make him a Jew or a Christian. It is like the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any (young animal) born mutilated before you mutilate them?(Muttafaq Alaih)
So, just as the child's body submits to the physical laws which Allaah has put in nature, its sould also submits naturally to the fact that Allaah is its Lord and Creator. But its parents try to make it follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of its life to resist or oppose its parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allaah does not hold it to account or punish it for this religion. When the child matures in youth and clear proofs of the falsehood of its religion are brought to it, the adult must now follow the religion of knowledge and reason.
At this point the devils try their best to encourage him to stay as he is or to go further astray. Evils are made pleasing to him and he must now live in the midst of a struggle between his Fitrah and his desires in order to find the right road.
If he chooses his Fitrah, Allaah will help him overcome his desires even though it may take most of his life to escape, for many people enter Islaam in their old age although most tend to do so before that.
Because of all these powerful forces fighting against the Fitrah Allaah chose certain righteous men and revealed to them clearly the right path in life. These men whom we call Prophets were sent to help our Fitrah defeat its enemies. All the truths and good practices present in societies around the world today came from their teachings, and if it were not for their teachings, there would be no peace or safety in the world at all.
For example, the laws of most Western countries are based on the "Ten Commandments" of Prophet Moses, like "Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not kill" etc., even though they claim to be "secular" governments, free from the influence of religion.
thus, it is man's duty to follow the way of the Prophets since it is the only way which is truly in harmony with his nature. He should also be very careful not to do things simply because his parents and their parents did it, especially if knowledge reaches him that these practices are wrong. If he does not follow the truth, he will be like those misguided people about whom Allaah says in the Qur'an,
"If they are told to follow what Allaah has revealed, they say: 'No! We will continue to follow what we found our foreparents doing!'Even though their foreparents did not comprehend anything nor were they rightly guided.(2:170)
Allaah forbids us from obeying our parents if what they want us to do is against the way of the Prophets. He said, in the Qur'an,
"We advise man to be good to his parents, but if they try to make you do in My name what you know to be false, do not obey them." (29:8)
The Fundamentals of Tawheed (Islamic Monotheism) by Dr Bilal Philips
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True what the brother says, unlike Christianity which claims that everyone is born a sinner and Jesus bears it all etc., Islam is quite the opposite and relatively logical. Babies are pure, clean and innocent. It is their upbringing which cause them to be inclined towards a certain religion.
If you find Christianity, Satanism or some other religion not making any sense, listen to yourself. Your fitrah is trying to tell you, this is not right. Seek knowledge (I see you are doing that now ). Seek the truth, be in constant search and continue in your quest. Knowledge is ongoing.
This does not make us born muslims better than kids born into non-Muslim families. I personally feel that my practise of Islam has always been that - cultural and being a copycat. Following what my parents do without deep comprehension.
Alhamdu lillaah, the Fitrah acts up, as Allaah has caused it to be so, and here I am still learning about the Deen as you are. In sha Allaah, may you discover truth. I have a feeling you're getting pretty close!
BarakAllaahu feekum,
The Fitrah
Since Allaah made all human beings swear to his Godhood, when he created Aadam, this oath is printed on the human soul even before it enters the fetus in the fifth month of pregnancy. So when a child is born, it has with it a natural belief in Allaah. This natural belief is called in Arabic the "Fitrah". If the child were left alone, it would grow up aware of Allaah in His unity, but all children are affected by the pressures of their environment whether directly or indirectly.
The Prophet salallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam reported that Allaah said, "I created My servants in the right religion but the devils made them go astray."(Sahih Muslim)
The Prophet salallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", but his parents make him a Jew or a Christian. It is like the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any (young animal) born mutilated before you mutilate them?(Muttafaq Alaih)
So, just as the child's body submits to the physical laws which Allaah has put in nature, its sould also submits naturally to the fact that Allaah is its Lord and Creator. But its parents try to make it follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of its life to resist or oppose its parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allaah does not hold it to account or punish it for this religion. When the child matures in youth and clear proofs of the falsehood of its religion are brought to it, the adult must now follow the religion of knowledge and reason.
At this point the devils try their best to encourage him to stay as he is or to go further astray. Evils are made pleasing to him and he must now live in the midst of a struggle between his Fitrah and his desires in order to find the right road.
If he chooses his Fitrah, Allaah will help him overcome his desires even though it may take most of his life to escape, for many people enter Islaam in their old age although most tend to do so before that.
Because of all these powerful forces fighting against the Fitrah Allaah chose certain righteous men and revealed to them clearly the right path in life. These men whom we call Prophets were sent to help our Fitrah defeat its enemies. All the truths and good practices present in societies around the world today came from their teachings, and if it were not for their teachings, there would be no peace or safety in the world at all.
For example, the laws of most Western countries are based on the "Ten Commandments" of Prophet Moses, like "Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not kill" etc., even though they claim to be "secular" governments, free from the influence of religion.
thus, it is man's duty to follow the way of the Prophets since it is the only way which is truly in harmony with his nature. He should also be very careful not to do things simply because his parents and their parents did it, especially if knowledge reaches him that these practices are wrong. If he does not follow the truth, he will be like those misguided people about whom Allaah says in the Qur'an,
"If they are told to follow what Allaah has revealed, they say: 'No! We will continue to follow what we found our foreparents doing!'Even though their foreparents did not comprehend anything nor were they rightly guided.(2:170)
Allaah forbids us from obeying our parents if what they want us to do is against the way of the Prophets. He said, in the Qur'an,
"We advise man to be good to his parents, but if they try to make you do in My name what you know to be false, do not obey them." (29:8)
The Fundamentals of Tawheed (Islamic Monotheism) by Dr Bilal Philips
**********************************
True what the brother says, unlike Christianity which claims that everyone is born a sinner and Jesus bears it all etc., Islam is quite the opposite and relatively logical. Babies are pure, clean and innocent. It is their upbringing which cause them to be inclined towards a certain religion.
If you find Christianity, Satanism or some other religion not making any sense, listen to yourself. Your fitrah is trying to tell you, this is not right. Seek knowledge (I see you are doing that now
). Seek the truth, be in constant search and continue in your quest. Knowledge is ongoing.This does not make us born muslims better than kids born into non-Muslim families. I personally feel that my practise of Islam has always been that - cultural and being a copycat. Following what my parents do without deep comprehension.
Alhamdu lillaah, the Fitrah acts up, as Allaah has caused it to be so, and here I am still learning about the Deen as you are. In sha Allaah, may you discover truth. I have a feeling you're getting pretty close!
BarakAllaahu feekum,
Nurain
Junior Member
Our beloved Prophet salallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam related that when Allaah created Aadam, He took a covenant from him in a place called Na'maan on the day of 'Arafah (the 9th of the 12th lunar month, known as Dhul-Hijjah), then He extracted from him all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world, generation after generation, and spread them out in front of Him in order to take a covenant from them also.
He spoke to them face to face saying, "Am I not your Lord?"
and they all replied, "Yes, we testify to it."
Allaah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He was their creator and only true God worthy of worship. He said, "That was in case you (mankind) should say on the Day of Resurrection, "Surely we were unaware of all this! We had no idea that You, Allaah, were our God! No one told us that we were only supposed to worship You!"
Allaah went on to explain that it was also in case you should say: "It was our ancestors who made partners (with Allaah) and we are only their descendants; will You, then destroy us for what those LIARS did?"
Everyone is responsible for their ownselves, no human on Earth can help you on the Day Allaah will question you.
Whatsoever is on it (the earth) will perish. And the Face of your Lord full of Majesty and Honour will remain forever. (surah ar-Rahman:26-27)
He spoke to them face to face saying, "Am I not your Lord?"
and they all replied, "Yes, we testify to it."
Allaah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He was their creator and only true God worthy of worship. He said, "That was in case you (mankind) should say on the Day of Resurrection, "Surely we were unaware of all this! We had no idea that You, Allaah, were our God! No one told us that we were only supposed to worship You!"
Allaah went on to explain that it was also in case you should say: "It was our ancestors who made partners (with Allaah) and we are only their descendants; will You, then destroy us for what those LIARS did?"
Everyone is responsible for their ownselves, no human on Earth can help you on the Day Allaah will question you.
Whatsoever is on it (the earth) will perish. And the Face of your Lord full of Majesty and Honour will remain forever. (surah ar-Rahman:26-27)
island muslim
Junior Member
I seek refuge in Allah Glorified be his name!
"Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by Allah." And whoever takes Shaitan (satan) as a Wali (protector or helper) instead of Allah, has surely suffered a manifest loss."
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #119)
"He [Shaitan (satan)] makes promises to them, and arouses in them false desires; and Shaitan's (satan) promises are nothing but deceptions."
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #120)
And another clear warning
"O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa' (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabiluhu (his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #27)
When dealing with the self confessed Auwliya of Shaitan, we must be very very careful for we are the auwliya of Allah the almighty, The Merciful.
"Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by Allah." And whoever takes Shaitan (satan) as a Wali (protector or helper) instead of Allah, has surely suffered a manifest loss."
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #119)
"He [Shaitan (satan)] makes promises to them, and arouses in them false desires; and Shaitan's (satan) promises are nothing but deceptions."
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #120)
And another clear warning
"O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitan (satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa' (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabiluhu (his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayatin (devils) Auliya' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #27)
When dealing with the self confessed Auwliya of Shaitan, we must be very very careful for we are the auwliya of Allah the almighty, The Merciful.