Why Muslim women don't drive cars in SA??

[SWORD OF SUNNA]

How could you response?

1-First of all, it's a fatwa and not a rule in Islam, what does it mean??
Women in SA don't drive a car according to their customs and their society, but in Egypt, Syria, and others, they let the Women to drive cars legally.

2-Another response, As the Queen of England don't drive a car, We (Muslims) consider woman to be Queen, we are happy to be a driver for her as well as to be bodyguard.

 

[Asja]

:salam2:

I do not understand who can and by which Low and reason can forbbid that women are driving the car.It is the same like taking womens right.

2-Another response, As the Queen of England don't drive a car, We (Muslims) consider woman to be Queen, we are happy to be a driver for her as well as to be bodyguard.

This can not be the right response becasue women can feel like a Queen with driving car too.If not all womens have been asked do they wish to drive a car or not,than it is the same like taking them thier rights which is in this case.:astag:

 

[SWORD OF SUNNA]

:salam2:

I do not understand who can and by which Low and reason can forbbid that women are driving the car.It is the same like taking womens right.

Well, first of all, my sister wears niqab and she is good driver, mashallah, as well as many of her friends drivers.
Personally.I don't know the reason behind preventing woman in SA, but surely they have.

 

[mufakkir]

Esselamu aleikum

As for women dont driving car, then you should know this is not an Islamic ruling, and not based on the Qur´an and Sunnah. Women were riding camels during the time of prophet (pbuh) and as you know riding a camel is a greater Fitnah if we should look at it that way than driving car. So if a women cover herself there is nothing wrong with driving a car.

And Saudi is the only muslim country in the world who dont allow women driving. It is easy to explain since there are many laws in Saudi which are not Islamic so it shouldnt suprise us.

Wa 'Alaikum Salaam,

Brother/Sister in Islam, be careful of making judgments as to what is and what is not 'Islamic'. We often use the word without realising the implication of what we are saying.
In regards to women in Saudi Arabia not being allowed to drive, then you should know that it has the full backing of the Laws of Islamic Jurisprudence. The ruling is NOT a GENERAL ruling, rather a specific one that applies to the people of Saudi Arabia. The Shari'ah allows the permisibility of making rulings for specific situations and people based on the understanding of the local customs and traditions. In this instance, the scholars of Saudi Arabia have deemed women driving cars can lead to great fitnah. This is Ijtihaad and we may agree or disagree with it. Such specefic rulings will NEVER be based on clear outright evidence from the Qur'an and Sunnah, since they are arrived at through analogy. To say that the rule is not 'Islamic' is to suggest that they have made up a rule in contradistinction to the laws of Allah. This is clearly not the case. It is a matter of Ijtihaad and as long as the scholars have followed the proper proceedures of Usul al Fiqh, then the ruling is binding and a part of the Shari'ah of the local community (Saudi Arabia). We may disagree with the ruling and there are many scholars in Saudi Arabia who do, but that is completely different from saying the rule is unIslamic.

WaAllahu A'lam

was salaam

 

[a_stranger]

:salam2:

I think that our world is suffering from big problems including in (Saudi Arabia) compared to driving cars, So we should try solve the big issues if we can , then small ones will be solved auotomaticaly , The first problem is the weakness of faith in hearts of muslems and the influnce of silly media on their minds and inclination to material life... Let us build a true islamic societies .....and educate womans about islamic principles ....as much as we can ......Now in Arabia is a big tendency to follow the westren style blindly ...values of Islam are in danger ......These are the big issues

 

[Asja]

Well, first of all, my sister wears niqab and she is good driver, mashallah, as well as many of her friends drivers.
Personally.I don't know the reason behind preventing woman in SA, but surely they have.

:salam2:

I think there is no right exuse for forbidding women to drive cars,the only reason can be wrong Low of Saudia Arabia in some cases like this for example,and personally me I do not agree with that,likE I do not agree that Saudi court has aloed marriege beewten 40 year old man and 8 year old child(girl).:astag::astag: Inshallah,they will all respond to Allah Almighty. It seems that Ummah has gone astray because of some individals and groups.If there is the reasonable reason than all contires would forbidd women to drive cars.

I do not agree with this,because I think it the same like taking some women rights,because if some women wish to drive a car and Low in her country is not aloowing her than it is taking her rights.:astag:.Neither personal Low can aloow something like that,neither Islaam is aloowing that.But InshAllah,we all we stay infront of Allah and be Judged.Ameen.

 

[SWORD OF SUNNA]

:salam2:

I think there is no right exuse for forbidding women to drive cars,the only reason can be wrong Low of Saudia Arabia in some cases like this for example,and personally me I do not agree with that,likE I do not agree that Saudi court has aloed marriege beewten 40 year old man and 8 year old child(girl).:astag::astag: Inshallah,they will all respond to Allah Almighty. It seems that Ummah has gone astray because of some individals and groups.If there is the reasonable reason than all contires would forbidd women to drive cars.

I do not agree with this,because I think it the same like taking some women rights,because if some women wish to drive a car and Low in her country is not aloowing her than it is taking her rights.:astag:.Neither personal Low can aloow something like that,neither Islaam is aloowing that.But InshAllah,we all we stay infront of Allah and be Judged.Ameen.

Sister,I think you complicated this issue, I'm afraid , I've mentioned that we have to distinguish between the fataw and the rule.
So, we can't apply the customs of SA on the western society.

Is it correct to think that fatwas may vary according to time and place?
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/39286

The word “rulings” here refers specifically to rulings that are based on custom and tradition. These are the rulings that may change according to time, place and circumstance.

It says in Durar al-Hukkaam Sharh Majallat al-Ahkaam: “The rulings which may change according to time are the rulings that are based on customs and traditions, because as time changes, the people’s needs change. Based on this, changes also affect customs and traditions, and changes in custom and traditions change the rulings, as we have explained above. This is unlike the rulings that are derived from shar’i evidence and are not based on custom and tradition, which do not change.

Do you agree with me?

 

[SWORD OF SUNNA]

Wa 'Alaikum Salaam,

Brother/Sister in Islam, be careful of making judgments as to what is and what is not 'Islamic'. We often use the word without realising the implication of what we are saying.
In regards to women in Saudi Arabia not being allowed to drive, then you should know that it has the full backing of the Laws of Islamic Jurisprudence. The ruling is NOT a GENERAL ruling, rather a specific one that applies to the people of Saudi Arabia. The Shari'ah allows the permisibility of making rulings for specific situations and people based on the understanding of the local customs and traditions. In this instance, the scholars of Saudi Arabia have deemed women driving cars can lead to great fitnah. This is Ijtihaad and we may agree or disagree with it. Such specefic rulings will NEVER be based on clear outright evidence from the Qur'an and Sunnah, since they are arrived at through analogy. To say that the rule is not 'Islamic' is to suggest that they have made up a rule in contradistinction to the laws of Allah. This is clearly not the case. It is a matter of Ijtihaad and as long as the scholars have followed the proper proceedures of Usul al Fiqh, then the ruling is binding and a part of the Shari'ah of the local community (Saudi Arabia). We may disagree with the ruling and there are many scholars in Saudi Arabia who do, but that is completely different from saying the rule is unIslamic.

WaAllahu A'lam

was salaam

May Allah bless you.

 

[Salem9022]

many countries in the world women don't even have an education even in Islamic education but in KSA 54% of the educated budget is allocated for women. you should look at your own country first not other nations, so what women can't drive in Saudi Arabia? most women can't even have an education in Afghanistan not even an Islamic education why arn't you brining that up? when you look at other countries who have noting to do with you then you we will always be stuck in the state we are living and never be able to solve our own problems.

 

[Happy 2BA Muslim]

:salam2:

There is nothing in Islamic Law that prohibits a woman from driving an automobile.

With respect to what is going on in Saudi Arabia, there is a principle in Islamic Law called sadd al-dharâ’i` (preventing the means to evil or harm). It is up to the leadership of the Muslim state to enact laws that prevent the spread of injury, injustice, and vice. It is then the religious duty of the people living in that state to obey such laws.

If the state considers it to be in the best interests of the people to enact laws restricting driving for certain sectors of the population, then it falls within the state’s jurisdiction to do so. The law in Saudi Arabia that prevents women from driving is considered one of these laws.

If the state makes an exception for certain cases or areas, then this is within their jurisdiction as well. This is all a question of public policy and not one of sacred law.

And Allah knows best.

:salam2:

 

[ahmed_indian]

when women drive cars, i think the fitnah can increase..thats y in saudi arabia, its not permitted.

i live in saudi arabia, i know wht these guys do in malls.

the faith is so low, i fear if driving is allowed, the rate of dating, eve-teasing will also increase. it will be hard to control the society from commiting sins.

but if the women is driving in niqaab with mahram sitting with her...i think that could be very fine.

 

[Asja]

Sister,I think you complicated this issue, I'm afraid , I've mentioned that we have to distinguish between the fataw and the rule.
So, we can't apply the customs of SA on the western society.

Is it correct to think that fatwas may vary according to time and place?
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/39286



Do you agree with me?

:salam2:

I agree with you brother that Fatwas can change according the time and diffrent circumstances,but it does not mean that we will agree with the same Low like for example these cases in Saudia Arabia,.Do you agree with that brother???

 

[Asja]

when women drive cars, i think the fitnah can increase..thats y in saudi arabia, its not permitted.

i live in saudi arabia, i know wht these guys do in malls.

the faith is so low, i fear if driving is allowed, the rate of dating, eve-teasing will also increase. it will be hard to control the society from commiting sins.

but if the women is driving in niqaab with mahram sitting with her...i think that could be very fine.

:salam2:

Dear brother I must say that I do not agree with your statment at all.

First at all fitnah is present everywhere. If Muslim or Muslimah know their norms of behaviour that are contained in the teching of thier religion, Islam, than I do not see where is the problem

For example when we go to University,market, mosques, work etc we see fitnah everywhere. Does this mean that we should not visit non of these places or that we should stay closed in the house like prisioners only becouse fitnah is there. So woman can not drive a car becouse of fitnah, but man can drive car even if the same fitnah is there.There is no logic in this, Allhamdullilah.

Dear brother Allah has allowed to cover women with hijab or niqab to go out,and there is no reason that driving car does not be aloowed too.Islaam is mercyfull and not cruel religion.If someone wants to do sins than it is his deccsion to not belive in foloow Allah Almighty way,stoping women to drive a car it will not help nothing SubhanAllah.

All reposbailty can not be given only to a Muslim women but to Muslim man too,and if faith is enough strong there should not be any problems.

If I can ask you please brother,why did you said that the women with niqab can drive a car and women with hijab can not??? Astagfirullah.Alhamdulilah they both can drive.

May Allah guide us all.:tti_sister:

 

[a_muslimah86]

Some wonderful explanations had been provided about this issue mashallah..but I would like to say something which shocked me even when I found out about it...I asked a Saudi sister once if she would drive a car should the ban on this matter be lifted..and she said

*NO WAY!*

I asked her *why* and she said...

*I can give you many many many reasons but believe me even if the ban is lifted maybe 30-40% of women will drive cars and I can very well be exaggerating the percentage. Just know *that fact* and you don't need me to give you the reasons*

Of course being an Arab I could imagine what many of these reasons would be..but to hear her say that (which I heard from other Saudi sisters eventually as well..in different wordings of course)..was and still is a shock to me

That's why discussing the laws of a land can get tricky..because though it may seem "unfair"..the people within that land might think it's actually a *control factor* to fitnah and matters of the sort..and thus support it strongly..add to this the fact that not all those discussing the issue might have had the chance to be *in* the land and see *first-hand* the affects of the laws discussed and thus might fall into the mistake of making an opinion based on a reality different from that of the land they are discussing

 

[vegangoth]

How could you response?

1-First of all, it's a fatwa and not a rule in Islam, what does it mean??
Women in SA don't drive a car according to their customs and their society, but in Egypt, Syria, and others, they let the Women to drive cars legally.

2-Another response, As the Queen of England don't drive a car, We (Muslims) consider woman to be Queen, we are happy to be a driver for her as well as to be bodyguard.

Just a couple of points

1. She is the queen of BRITAIN not Engalnd

2. She does drive a car, a range rover, on her estates in Sandringham and Balmoral.

 

[ShyHijabi]

Warning! Incoming joke, so everyone without a sense of humor...close your eyes.

I think this can easily be fixed, don't allow the men to drive and only allow the women. By SA's logic there will be less of a chance of fitnah with the men restricted.

All joking aside, I know women in SA and they say they don't care one whit about driving. It's all they've ever known and they don't see why non SA's get bent out of shape over something that doesn't concern them. There are rumblings about lifting the ban but the Saudis state change happens very slowly over there and they will do it on their own time. Besides, women can and do drive in the more rural areas without fear of punishment, it's the cosmopolitan areas that are strict about this.

Meh...I think there are much more serious issues with the ummah in it's entirety to worry over. Whether or not a very small population of the ummah doesnt get to peel rubber doesn't seem that serious to me. The Saudi women will push when they are ready to push the issue. For now they mostly just don't care...at least the one's I've spoken to.

 

[SWORD OF SUNNA]

Just a couple of points

1. She is the queen of BRITAIN not Engalnd

Ooops, You are right, I'm sorry.

2. She does drive a car, a range rover, on her estates in Sandringham and Balmoral.

Are you sure?
However, it doesn't matter.

 

[SWORD OF SUNNA]

:salam2:

I agree with you brother that Fatwas can change according the time and diffrent circumstances,but it does not mean that we will agree with the same Low like for example these cases in Saudia Arabia,.Do you agree with that brother???

Yeah,I agree.

 

[Amir_of_spain]

In order to prevent fitnah, mainly of a sexual type from taking place in KSA, the entire culture has opted for placing severe restrictions in terms of segregation between the 2 sexes. How long can this measure last for in the face of modernity and practicality is to be seen. I also wonder how it affects one's pyschology, not being able to even formally socialise with the opposite, espeically for guys, and the affects this can have post marriage.

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

Whatever it is, we should stop associating this with Islam...in my country (Islamic country) women allowed to go to school and fly aeroplane. We have women bus driver and truck driver. But previously I worked with one non-muslim owned company, women staff here not allowed to wear pant (including non-muslim) but no one make fuss out of it. Imagine if a muslim owner did the same, it will be headlines next day.