My mom

[Shamim56]

Assalamualakum brother's and sister's

No doubt in my mind the #1 person in my life is my mom, the one who raised me and prepared food for me on the table each and every day and who always stood by me when i was sick or sad.

My mom has a psychiatric problem which does not let her brain function in the way most do. She has gone through so much being yelled at by my father when he forget's she has this problem, And on top of that the rest of the family(aunt's, uncles) actually makes fun of her. This is why she does'nt associate with the family and i do not really like them for that anyways, they wont be talking garbage if the illness came on them would they? She did'nt pray ever since she got her illness but she stayed strong the family helping in every way she can.

Even though she doesn't pray, will she be punished because i think it's really unfair if she is and this problem is permanent. She has been living with it for over 20 years...

May allah give her a blessed life and for all of us

Jazakallah Khairan

 

[revert2007]

well sis i don't hv the proof but i have heard that people who are having mental problem(retarded or mental illness) do not need to pray because they simply can't focus and they dont know what they are doing.and chilkd below age of 10 do not need to pray..

i hope someone can gv u the proof

 

[rightpath_357]

oh sis, may Allah (SW) make things easier for her! If praying is totally byond her, then she wont be punished. AstagfirAllah! your dad, aunt uncles, they should stop. Can't they see that it's not her fault? It seems like she is a very strong person. For living through this hardship with so much pateince, she will be greatly rewarded. Try reminding ur family from time to time that they should be very good with her.

 

[Shamim56]

But it does not anwser questions about if she's permanently sick, does she have to pray? It says fasting on that one. My mom can walk around and stuff, but her mental problem get's in the way of everything. She has a permanent psychiatric problem and on top of that, the problem caused depression also. She also has some other problems such as high cholestorol and diabetes. I really cant imagine what it would be like to be in her feet

P.S to some people-Im a guy lol

 

[thariq2005]

As salamu 'alaikkum, here is a fatwa i just came across, in shaAllah I hope it helps. The obligations are lifted from her only if she is not aware of her surroundings and does not know what is going around her. If she is aware of what is going on her, and does have a sound mind then the obligations must be done.

Praise be to Allaah.

If his memory is gone and his mind has changed so that he is not aware of things, then fasting and prayer are waived in his case, and he does not have to offer any expiation, because one of the conditions of being accountable is that one should be of sound mind.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Pen has been lifted from three: from the sleeping person until he wakes up, from the minor until he grows up, and from the insane person until he comes to his senses.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (4403), al-Tirmidhi (1423), al-Nasaa’i (3432) and Ibn Majaah (2041). Abu Dawood said: It was narrated by Ibn Jurayj from al-Qaasim ibn Yazeed from ‘Ali from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he added: “and the old man who is feeble-minded.”

This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

It says in ‘Awn al-Ma’bood: “the old man who is feeble-minded”; this refers to when the mind becomes weak in old age. Al-Subki said: This implies that it is additional to the three (mentioned in the hadeeth), and this is correct. What is meant is the old man who has lost his mind due to old age, because an old man may become confused which prevents him from distinguishing things, and means that he is no longer accountable, but it is not called insanity and it does not say in the hadeeth “until he comes to his senses,” because in most cases he will not recover from this before he dies, and if he recovers for some of the time and comes back to his senses, then he is accountable for that time… End quote.

See: al-Ashbaah wa’l-Nazaa’ir by al-Suyooti, p. 212

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Fasting is not obligatory unless certain conditions are met:

1- Being of sound mind

2- Being an adult

3- Being a Muslim

4- Being able to do it

5- Being a resident (i.e., not travelling)

6- Being free of menses and nifaas in the case of women

1 – Being of sound mind, the opposite of which is losing one's mind or reason, whether that is due to senile dementia i.e., old age, or an accident which has caused a person to lose his mind and awareness. This person does not have to do anything, because of his loss of reason. Like the one who has reached old age and reached the point of senility, he does not have to fast or feed the poor, because he has lost his mind. The same applies to one who is unconscious as the result of an accident or other cause; he does not have to fast or feed the poor, because he is not aware. End quote from Liqa’ al-Baab il-Maftooh (4/220).

He also said: The one who has lost his mind as the result of old age or an accident and there is no hope of recovery, is not obliged to fast, like the one who has reached a great age and become senile and can no longer speak properly. He is like a child and is not obliged to fast. The same applies to one who has had an accident and lost his mind in a way from which there is no hope of recovery. But if there is the hope of recovery, such as if he is merely unconscious, then he has to make up the fasts when he wakes up, but if he has lost his mind completely then he does not have to fast, i.e., if he does not have to fast then he does not have to offer the fidyah either. End quote from Sharh al-Kaafi.

What appears to be the case is that he does not have to pray or fast, and there is no need to feed the poor on his behalf instead of fasting.

And Allaah knows best.

 

[a_stranger]

:salam2:

I think that prayer can be kind of cure for her health , if she feels that Allah swt is hearing her prayer and can give her happiness and peace, Why don`t you try .......I know it will not be an easy job.....but who knows may after prayer(even with some mistakes due to her illness) her spirit will rise and she feels more peace.

 

[Rashadi]

Salaam Aleykom sister, u must keep in mind that Allah is more merciful to us than a mother is to her infant. Never lose trust or hope in the mercy of Allah no matter what someone tells you. Make duah for her and leave it for Allah. There are people I have realized that are not capable of understanding, praying, practicing, etc. There are people who are not sane and Allah is the one who created them and He is the judge. I wouldn't worry about that part but leave it to Allah. Keep your duty to ur mom and make duah for her. On the day of judgement, everyone will be depending on the mercy of Allah, and no matter how "good" we may think we are, it is still by the mercy of Allah that we can succeed. It is by the mercy of Allah that those of us who practice the deen are doing what we doing. We could be lost in ignorance or doing what the rest are doing but instead by the mercy of Allah we perform our salaats, go to masjid, fast, etc. No matter how arrogant some ppl are, they still are in need of mercy from Allah and only by His leave is that person doing the good things he is doing.

Never forget or lose trust in Allah because he is most merciful and created some people different and is well aware of what He created and who we are, etc.

 

[allah is with me]

well. brother the same thing has happened to my mom too....
many of them make fun of my mother for she is ill..
even she stoped praying for her illness....
i dont think so she will be punished, because her mind is not stable...
and i really know that how much it will hurt a person to see his mother in this problem..
but keep your trust in allah, and fight from the shaithaan...

 

[ahmed_indian]

:salam2:,

brother wht do u mean by "mental problems"?

if its so severe that she cant live normally, then inshallah, she will not be held accountable for her acts.

but if its like despression, anxiety..but a person is aware of reality, then she has to pray.

u know the situation better. u can tell her about praying and see if she's in a position for make it.

keep making Dua's for ur mom's health and forgiveness. sometimes relatives could be really annoying. may Allah save us.

 

[Shamim56]

:salam2:,

brother wht do u mean by "mental problems"?

if its so severe that she cant live normally, then inshallah, she will not be held accountable for her acts.

but if its like despression, anxiety..but a person is aware of reality, then she has to pray.

u know the situation better. u can tell her about praying and see if she's in a position for make it.

keep making Dua's for ur mom's health and forgiveness. sometimes relatives could be really annoying. may Allah save us.

It is permanent brother but that psychiatric problem causes other things such as High Cholestorol and depression that are not permanent and along with that type b diabetes which isnt as bad as type a. She has to take many medicines (around 5-8 each day) which make other things hard on her such as automatic drymouth, sleepiness(happens often), and being very tired.

Jazakallah Khairan

and i think for now i will just keep asking for forgiveness for her instead of myself most of the time and hope for the best.

And Allah Knows best

 

[Lookingforlight]

It is permanent brother but that psychiatric problem causes other things such as High Cholestorol and depression that are not permanent and along with that type b diabetes which isnt as bad as type a. She has to take many medicines (around 5-8 each day) which make other things hard on her such as automatic drymouth, sleepiness(happens often), and being very tired.

Jazakallah Khairan

and i think for now i will just keep asking for forgiveness for her instead of myself most of the time and hope for the best.

And Allah Knows best

Ask for forgiveness for both of you- and for the entire Ummah- Allah's Mercy is limitless.

 

[Asja]

Assalamu Allaicum wa rahmaullah wa barakathu

May Allahs mercy be upon you, your mother and your familly. Ameen

Allah is the greatest protector of all of us.

 

[superbro]

May Allah grant you and your Mother Jannah. Ameen