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MutlekM

MutlekM

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I need help this is URGENT my aunt has 3 babies that are all caught with a disease called Autism. The youngest is living with us since we want to help her out.
Now the real problem is that my aunt is pregnant for the fourth time and is afraid that this baby will be affected by autism and she is to tired to take care of another baby, she has been pregnant for 40days she wants to drop this baby since it has still not formed. And we want to know if that is not haram.
AND PLZ MAKE DUA
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weakslave

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Subhana-Allaah. May Allaah SWT help her family and make things easy.

I will say one thing which I might be criticized for: there are studies that have shown autism is not genetics and it is not a physical condition, but a psychological one.

When a child is not given the attention it deserves and needs (eye contact, holding, hugging, playing and so on), the child develops autism. This usually happens when the parents or the caretakers are too busy to spend the time needed for that child to develop as a social being.

I am not criticizing your aunt's ability to raise children, but she really needs to focus on raising these children. With the help of Allaah all of these children will become normal again, and her fourth baby will be the most intelligent of all.

Ask her to read Quraan a lot and out loud, reading the Quraan is so important when the baby is developing in the womb.
 
Hard Rock Moslem

Hard Rock Moslem

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MutlekM said:
:salam2:
I need help this is URGENT my aunt has 3 babies that are all caught with a disease called Autism. The youngest is living with us since we want to help her out.
Now the real problem is that my aunt is pregnant for the fourth time and is afraid that this baby will be affected by autism and she is to tired to take care of another baby, she has been pregnant for 40days she wants to drop this baby since it has still not formed. And we want to know if that is not haram.
AND PLZ MAKE DUA
:wasalam:
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To be safe side, I suggest your aunt to consult specialist and as well seek scholar's opinion inshAllah.
 
MutlekM

MutlekM

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weakslave said:
Subhana-Allaah. May Allaah SWT help her family and make things easy.

I will say one thing which I might be criticized for: there are studies that have shown autism is not genetics and it is not a physical condition, but a psychological one.

When a child is not given the attention it deserves and needs (eye contact, holding, hugging, playing and so on), the child develops autism. This usually happens when the parents or the caretakers are too busy to spend the time needed for that child to develop as a social being.

I am not criticizing your aunt's ability to raise children, but she really needs to focus on raising these children. With the help of Allaah all of these children will become normal again, and her fourth baby will be the most intelligent of all.

Ask her to read Quraan a lot and out loud, reading the Quraan is so important when the baby is developing in the womb.
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Ameen but as for my aunt never leaves the kids and always plays with them but her husband works too much in a store that sells Khamir or Beer :astag:
We tried to stop him but he doesnt listen as for the treatment the kids get the best care.
 
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Hudda

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:salam2:Brother! Please for the fear of Allah please let your aunt not abort her pregnancy. This is a test from Allah swt please tell her to have patience. Inshallah Inshallah :tti_sister: this pregnancy will be a healthy child. Let her tawakal Allah llah. I live in North America, where so many people by Allah swt will can not have children.
In Islam Aborting is a major sin only if your aunt's health is in danger.. than it is permissible.(Allah knows best) But what Allah has ordained for your aunty will happen. We have no right to abort for fear of "Irzak" or we do not like what we are going to get...The giving of life and the taking of life is for Allah only. This authority only belongs to Allah and Allah alone. Please advise your aunty.. you never know how the future will turn only Allah knows! Inshallah Kheir, May Allah swt grant your aunty a healthy child inshallah and ease the hardship for all of you - Ameen
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MutlekM

MutlekM

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Hudda said:
:salam2:Brother! Please for the fear of Allah please let your aunt not abort her pregnancy. This is a test from Allah swt please tell her to have patience. Inshallah Inshallah :tti_sister: this pregnancy will be a healthy child. Let her tawakal Allah llah. I live in North America, where so many people by Allah swt will can not have children.
In Islam Aborting is a major sin only if your aunt's health is in danger.. than it is permissible.(Allah knows best) But what Allah has ordained for your aunty will happen. We have no right to abort for fear of "Irzak" or we do not like what we are going to get...The giving of life and the taking of life is for Allah only. This authority only belongs to Allah and Allah alone. Please advise your aunty.. you never know how the future will turn only Allah knows! Inshallah Kheir, May Allah swt grant your aunty a healthy child inshallah and ease the hardship for all of you - Ameen
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She is really trying her best but her husband is not helping her and she is already worn out from the first 3 but I will try to get her to stop. And may ALLAH S.W.T help her out with the fourth
AMEEN
Salam
 
MutlekM

MutlekM

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abdalilah said:
salam alykum brother

realy it's not easy to kill an innocent human brother even in the womb of his mother , he did nothing that deserve to be killed for in the law of Allah taala.
i suggest the sister to keep great hope in Allah taala and aske for a reward by raising those children inshae Allah taala .
it's forbiden and no scholar can make Halal what is Haram and no one will be support the sins of others.
to kill innocent in the law of Allah taala is a great sin , a great evil deed , a clear HARAM .
may Allah taala heal them and grant all of you patience and reward you good for your help for her.

wa salam alykum
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Thanx for the quote brother i am not trying to argue but is she committing a sin since her husband may allah turn him to the right way is trying to make her drop the baby. And the baby has not even formed yet so is it still haram.
SALAM
 
LaLa09

LaLa09

♥Amor vincit omnia♥
Salam, I have a niece who is autistic and we believe that the shots (vaccines) given to babies during infancy leads to the autism. There have been studies that show links to those shots and autism, it is very difficult but we try to make the best if it. Its very rewarding to see a smile on their face when they learn something new or surprise you with new words. I would personally not advise her to have an abortion because you might never know if the child becomes autistic or not. My nephew isn't autistic so maybe the third or fourth child will not be (allahu a'lim) We just need to educate ourselves on this disorder and hopefully try to understand where it comes from and how to accommodate children with autism. As far as the 40 day abortion, i really have no clue, but again i would strongly recommend that she has this baby. And instead of giving the baby vaccines she should avoid them and consult with her physician, but then sometimes doctors also promote unnecessary vaccines so its best to get second or third opinions!
 
MutlekM

MutlekM

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LaLa09 said:
Salam, I have a niece who is autistic and we believe that the shots (vaccines) given to babies during infancy leads to the autism. There have been studies that show links to those shots and autism, it is very difficult but we try to make the best if it. Its very rewarding to see a smile on their face when they learn something new or surprise you with new words. I would personally not advise her to have an abortion because you might never know if the child becomes autistic or not. My nephew isn't autistic so maybe the third or fourth child will not be (allahu a'lim) We just need to educate ourselves on this disorder and hopefully try to understand where it comes from and how to accommodate children with autism. As far as the 40 day abortion, i really have no clue, but again i would strongly recommend that she has this baby. And instead of giving the baby vaccines she should avoid them and consult with her physician, but then sometimes doctors also promote unnecessary vaccines so its best to get second or third opinions!
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Can you tell me what your nephew did that your neice didnt if you are able to provide the info. plz and thx.
salam
 
LaLa09

LaLa09

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Well first my nephew is a boy and maybe he didn't have the genetic tendencies that she did, and secondly he was born in Canada whereas she was born in the states.
 
ShyHijabi

ShyHijabi

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Actually autism is a neurological disorder and not a psychological one. It is not caused by lack of cuddling or lack of eye contact, that was a theory that was disproved in the 60s. (it was called the "refridgerator mother syndrome")

Autism is under suspicion of being a mixed issue, that some people are sensitive to vaccines and that it does the damage when the child's brain is still developing. I will be doing something called delayed vaccination as well as selective vaccination. For instance, there is no reason a newborn infant needs a vaccination for Hep B at 1 day old. (if the mother does not have Hep B then the child will not, and otherwise it can be caught through sexual transmission...so no need for an infant to get it)

The issue of whether or not to abort it one that is very controversial among the scholars. Some say it is permissible before the rue is placed in the child. I think the cuttoff is somewhere around 12 weeks but need to do my research again. Daleel aside, she needs to think about how very guilty she will feel if she aborts this child. She already has chidren and I am sure loves them very, very much. Basically she will have to face the realization that she stopped a potential life...and that could destroy her.

She really needs to speak to a sheik about this as no one on this forum cna really advise her. We lack the Islamic knowledge and/or the medical knowledge.
 
LaLa09

LaLa09

♥Amor vincit omnia♥
ShyHijabi said:
Actually autism is a neurological disorder and not a psychological one. It is not caused by lack of cuddling or lack of eye contact, that was a theory that was disproved in the 60s. (it was called the "refridgerator mother syndrome")

Autism is under suspicion of being a mixed issue, that some people are sensitive to vaccines and that it does the damage when the child's brain is still developing. I will be doing something called delayed vaccination as well as selective vaccination. For instance, there is no reason a newborn infant needs a vaccination for Hep B at 1 day old. (if the mother does not have Hep B then the child will not, and otherwise it can be caught through sexual transmission...so no need for an infant to get it)

The issue of whether or not to abort it one that is very controversial among the scholars. Some say it is permissible before the rue is placed in the child. I think the cuttoff is somewhere around 12 weeks but need to do my research again. Daleel aside, she needs to think about how very guilty she will feel if she aborts this child. She already has chidren and I am sure loves them very, very much. Basically she will have to face the realization that she stopped a potential life...and that could destroy her.

She really needs to speak to a sheik about this as no one on this forum cna really advise her. We lack the Islamic knowledge and/or the medical knowledge.
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I agree, my sister is currently doing the delayed vaccination and the selective vaccination. Her doctor tried to get her to vaccinate the baby but she refused. Like you said some of the vaccinations are unnecessary and they do try to pressure people to take them. Also I've read somewhere that the lack of vitamin D can also be a factor too. But Allah knows best, we should really try to fund autism research because it is on the rise, I see a lot of kids with autism recently and little is known about this disorder.
 
MutlekM

MutlekM

Junior Member
abdalilah said:
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there's no obedeiyence for the one who aske us to desobey Allah taala.

Allah taala who we must obey only , that we should fear we are here in this earth to worship Allah taala only and obey him subhnahu wa taala.

her husband should be reminded and warned seriously that he can be aware from the greatness of his deed . he call to evil like this and he must be stoped .

she have no obedeiyence for him in this sitiation and when peopel call to evil .

wa salam alykum
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Salam brother
The oldest is troubling to the point that the doctors are saying that he should live in a handicapped house she is refusing but she does not want to let the fourth baby get as much sufferring as the others I also hear from different scholars that it is alright if the clot still hasnt formed yet. Can you give me a hadith or a verse that will me explain it to her?
 
MutlekM

MutlekM

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ShyHijabi said:
Actually autism is a neurological disorder and not a psychological one. It is not caused by lack of cuddling or lack of eye contact, that was a theory that was disproved in the 60s. (it was called the "refridgerator mother syndrome")

Autism is under suspicion of being a mixed issue, that some people are sensitive to vaccines and that it does the damage when the child's brain is still developing. I will be doing something called delayed vaccination as well as selective vaccination. For instance, there is no reason a newborn infant needs a vaccination for Hep B at 1 day old. (if the mother does not have Hep B then the child will not, and otherwise it can be caught through sexual transmission...so no need for an infant to get it)

The issue of whether or not to abort it one that is very controversial among the scholars. Some say it is permissible before the rue is placed in the child. I think the cuttoff is somewhere around 12 weeks but need to do my research again. Daleel aside, she needs to think about how very guilty she will feel if she aborts this child. She already has chidren and I am sure loves them very, very much. Basically she will have to face the realization that she stopped a potential life...and that could destroy her.

She really needs to speak to a sheik about this as no one on this forum cna really advise her. We lack the Islamic knowledge and/or the medical knowledge.
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Salam sister
Can you give me a website or an email of a sheikh that is able to awnser this question. PLZ and thank you
 
ShyHijabi

ShyHijabi

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What is the ruling on aborting a pregnancy in the early months (1-3) before the soul is breathed into the foetus?.


Praise be to Allaah.

The Council of Senior Scholars issued the following statement:

1 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy at any stage unless there is a legitimate reason, and within very precise limits.

2 – If the pregnancy is in the first stage, which is a period of forty days, and aborting it serves a legitimate purpose or will ward off harm, then it is permissible to abort it. But aborting it at this stage for fear of the difficulty of raising children or of being unable to bear the costs of maintaining and educating them, or for fear for their future or because the couple feel that they have enough children – this is not permissible.

3 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy when it is an ‘alaqah (clot) or mudghah (chewed lump of flesh) (which are the second and third periods of forty days each) until a trustworthy medical committee has decided that continuing the pregnancy poses a threat to the mother’s wellbeing, in that there is the fear that she will die if the pregnancy continues. It is permissible to abort it once all means of warding off that danger have been exhausted.

4 – After the third stage, and after four months have passed, it is not permissible to abort the pregnancy unless a group of trustworthy medical specialists decide that keeping the foetus in his mother’s womb will cause her death, and that should only be done after all means of keeping the foetus alive have been exhausted. A concession is made allowing abortion in this case so as to ward off the greater of two evils and to serve the greater of two interests.


Al-Fataawa al-Jaami’ah, 3/1056
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http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/42321/abortion

Follow the link I provided to the source of the fatwa and I believe there is a place where one can submit questions.
 
MutlekM

MutlekM

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:salam2:
Jazakum allahu Khair and plz make dua and may Allah s.w.t grant you all gannat al furdous.
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