Beware of these 12 misguided sects

[ahmed_indian]

:salam2:

some of these devient sects are innovators and some are out of Islam (like bahaism, NOI, etc.)

1. Ahmediyyah/Qadianism: Mirza Ghulam Ahmed says he is Imam Mehdi.

one group says that he is prophet.
second group says that he is Mehdi

2. Nation of Islam: Allah (God) appeared in the person of Fard Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad is prophet.

3. Ansaru Allah/ Moors: believes Drew Ali (founder) is a prophet.

4. Bahaism: Bahaullah is a prophet, different prayers and pilgrimage.

5. Naasibis: those who hate Ali (ra)

6. Shi'ites/Shias
sects: Boharas, Dawoodi Boharas, Nusayris, Druze, Agakhaani, Alavis, Rafidhis.

some beleives in 12 imams, some in 5 while others in 3.
some believe that Quran in incomplete, some curse sahaba while few worship Ali. (ra)

7. Qur'anites/Khalifites/19ers/submitters: they dont accept Hadiths.

8. Qadariyyah; they dont beleive in Qadar (destiny)

9. Khawariji: that sin takes the person out of Islam.

10. Jahmiyyah: that Quran is created.

11. Murji’ah: that sin does not affect faith at all.

12. Goharshahi: met Jesus, all religion are equal, etc.

sources:
http://www.islaam.net/main/display.php?id=287&category=30
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=138115
http://www.islamawareness.net/Deviant/Submitters/who_submitters.html
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/101272
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543500
http://www.islamfortoday.com/nationofislam.htm
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/.../FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar&cid=1119503544288

 

[ShahnazZ]

You forgot Sufis.

And honestly brother, 12 is only a minority of the existent sects. That number is already increasing well on it's way to the 72 that we were told would exist by the Day of Judgment.

 

[ahmed_indian]

You forgot Sufis.

as islamwillrule explained, not all sufis are bad. some are truly pious slaves of Allah.

thats why i did not include them. i dont want to spoil their name due to presence of few bad apples.

 

[ShahnazZ]

Al-Salaam-Alaykum

Why would sufi be there, i mean there are some sufis who take the zikr to another level, but the notion of being a sufi and doing zikr a lot there is nothing wrong with that. Believe it or not there are lots of sufis who also follow ahlu-sunna, whether that be malikis, hanbali, they just devote their lives to allah. Like i said there are some sufis who take it too far, but that is not what sufism is all about. If you go to a country like sudan, mostly 90% are sufis, but also they are malikis, and not all of them dance as you assume. They simply enjoin themselves with tremendous amount of zikr. Most people today dont follow the real sufi mentality, but the notion of being a sufi is just one who envolves himself in zikr. I feel you should take your comment back, as it is degrading any sufi. hope this helps. Allah knows best.

You seem to be under the assumption that this is my opinion. It's true that every sect has its good and bad seeds. However, from the research I've come across, Sufism is a deviated sect. I'm not sure why exactly you want me to take my comment back. You're saying Sufism is correct then. If they do the things that you said they do (i.e. follow ahl as-sunnah and the sunni madhahib) then wouldn't that make them Sunni? I undertand what you're saying when you mention the people of Sudan and say that even though most of them are Sufi they adhere to Ahl As-Sunnah. My parents come from a country where the majority of Muslims there say they're Sunni but unfortunately, in Pakistan, biddah is RAMPANT. So unfortunately, even though they THINK they're following Ahl-as Sunnah they're actually not and this results from a lack of education and ilm. Sudan doesn't have the highest literacy rate either so it's not farfetched to believe that the same thing may exist over there as it does in MANY countries. The only thing I will admit you're correct about is the fact that you can't generalize any group or sect and assume they're all the same as its not fair to those that are following the right path. Wallahu alim.

What is the place of sufism in Islam? What truth is there in 'religious experiences', contacts with the Divine, etc.? Some people hold such phenomena in high regard, claiming the similarities between experiences of people from different religions and from opposite corners of the globe, to be proof. How should people who claim to be sufis or believers/followers of sufism be seen? Isn't prayer and remembrance also a form of contact with the Almighty, SWT?

Praise be to Allaah.

The word “Sufism” was not known at the time of the Messenger or the Sahaabah or the Taabi’een. It arose at the time when a group of ascetics who wore wool (“soof”) emerged, and this name was given to them. It was also said that the name was taken from the word “soofiya” (“sophia”) which means “wisdom” in Greek. The word is not derived from al-safa’ (“purity”) as some of them claim, because the adjective derived from safa’ is safaa’i, not soofi (sufi). The emergence of this new name and the group to whom it is applied exacerbated the divisions among Muslims. The early Sufis differed from the later Sufis who spread bid’ah (innovation) to a greater extent and made shirk in both minor and major forms commonplace among the people, as well as the innovations against which the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned us when he said, “Beware of newly-invented things, for every newly-invented thing is an innovation and every innovation is a going-astray.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who said it is saheeh hasan).

The following is a comparison between the beliefs and rituals of Sufism and Islam which is based on the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

Sufism has numerous branches or tareeqahs, such as the Teejaniyyah, Qaadiriyyah, Naqshbandiyyah, Shaadhiliyyah, Rifaa’iyyah, etc., the followers of which all claim that their particular tareeqah is on the path of truth whilst the others are following falsehood. Islam forbids such sectarianism. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and be not of al-mushrikoon (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, polytheists, idolaters, etc),

Of those who split up their religion (i.e., who left the true Islamic monotheism), and became sects, [i.e., they invented new things in the religion (bid’ah) and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.” [al-Room 30:31-32]

The Sufis worship others than Allaah, such as Prophets and “awliya’” [“saints”], living or dead. They say, “Yaa Jeelaani”, “Yaa Rifaa’i” [calling on their awliya’], or “O Messenger of Allaah, help and save” or “O Messenger of Allaah, our dependence is on you”, etc.

But Allaah forbids us to call on anyone except Him in matters that are beyond the person's capabilities. If a person does this, Allaah will count him as a mushrik, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And invoke not, besides Allaah, any that will neither profit you, nor hurt you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers).” [Yoonus 10:106]

The Sufis believe that there are abdaal, aqtaab and awliya’ (kinds of “saints”) to whom Allaah has given the power to run the affairs of the universe. Allaah tells us about the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say [O Muhammad]: ‘…And who disposes the affairs?’ They will say. ‘Allaah.’…” [Yoonus 10:31]

The mushrik Arabs knew more about Allaah than these Sufis!

The Sufis turn to other than Allaah when calamity strikes, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if Allaah touches you with harm, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with good, then He is Able to do all things.” [al-An’aam 6:17]

Some Sufis believe in wahdat al-wujood (unity of existence). They do not have the idea of a Creator and His creation, instead they say that everything is creation and everything is god.

The Sufis advocate extreme asceticism in this life and do not believe in taking the necessary means or in jihaad, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“But seek with that (wealth) which Allaah has bestowed on you, the home of the Hereafter, and forget not your portion of legal enjoyment in this world…” [al-Qasas 28:77]

“And make ready against them all that you can of power…” [al-Anfaal 8:60]

The Sufis refer the idea of ihsaan to their shaykhs and tell their followers to have a picture of their shaykh in mind when they remember Allaah and even when they are praying. Some of them even put a picture of their shaykh in front of them when they are praying. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Ihsaan is when you worship Allaah as if you can see Him, and although you cannot see Him, He can see you.” (Reported by Muslim).

The Sufis allow dancing, drums and musical instruments, and raising the voice when making dhikr, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The believers are only those who, when Allaah is mentioned, feel a fear in their hearts…” [al-Anfaal 8:2]

Moreover, you see some of them making dhikr by only pronouncing the Name of Allaah, saying, “Allaah, Allaah, Allaah.” This is bid’ah and has no meaning in Islam. They even go to the extreme of saying, “Ah, ah” or “Hu, Hu.” The Sunnah is for the Muslim to remember his Lord in words that have a true meaning for which he will be rewarded, such as saying Subhaan Allaah wa Alhamdulillah wa Laa ilaaha illa Allaah wa Allaahu akbar, and so on.

The Sufis recite love poems mentioning the names of women and boys in their dhikr gatherings, and they repeat words such as “love”, “passion”, “desire” and so on, as if they are in a gathering where people dance and drink wine and clap and shout. All of this has to do with the customs and acts of worship of the mushrikeen. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Their salaah (prayer) at the House (of Allaah, i.e., the Ka’bah at Makkah) was nothing but whistling and clapping of hands…”

[al-Anfaal 8:35]

Some Sufis pierce themselves with rods of iron, saying, “O my grandfather!” So the shayaateen come to them and help them, because they are seeking the help of someone other than Allaah . Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whosoever turns away (blinds himself) from the remembrance of the Most Beneficent (Allaah), We appoint for him a shaytaan (devil) to be a qareen (intimate companion) for him.”

[al-Zukhruf 43:36]

The Sufis claim to have gnosis and knowledge of the unseen, but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: ‘None in the heavens and the earth knows the ghayb (unseen) except Allaah…’” [al-Naml 27:65]

The Sufis claim that Allaah created the world for the sake of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And I (Allaah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone).” [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, addressed His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the words (interpretation of the meaning):

“And worship your Lord until there comes unto the certainty (i.e., death).” [al-Hijr 15:99]

The Sufis claim that they can see Allaah in this life, but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“[Moosa said:] ‘O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You.’ Allaah said, ‘You cannot see Me…’” [al-A’raaf 7:143]

The Sufis claim that they take knowledge directly from Allaah, without the mediation of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and in a conscious state (as opposed to dreams). So are they better than the Sahaabah??

The Sufis claim that they take knowledge directly from Allaah, without the mediation of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They say, “Haddathani qalbi ‘an Rabbi (My heart told me from my Lord).”

The Sufis celebrate Mawlid and hold gatherings for sending blessings on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but they go against his teachings by raising their voices in dhikr and anaasheed (religious songs) and qaseedahs (poems) that contain blatant shirk. Did the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) celebrate his birthday? Did Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthman, ‘Ali, the four imaams or anyone else celebrate his birthday? Who knows more and is more correct in worship, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Salaf, or the Sufis?

The Sufis travel to visit graves and seek blessings from their occupants or to make tawaaf (ritual circumambulation) around them or to make sacrifices at these sites, all of which goes against the teachings of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Do not travel to visit any place but three mosques: al-Masjid al-Haraam [in Makkah], this mosque of mine [in Madeenah] and al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].” (Agreed upon).

The Sufis are blindly loyal to their shaykhs, even when what they go against the words of Allaah and His Messenger. But Allaah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allaah and His Messenger…” [al-Hujuraat 49:1]

The Sufis use talismans, letters and numbers for making decisions and for making amulets and charms and so on.

The Sufis do not restrict themselves to the specific blessings on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that were narrated from him. They invented new formulas that involve seeking his blessings and other kinds of blatant shirk which are unacceptable to the one on whom they are sending blessings.

With regard to the question of the whether the Sufi shaykhs have some kind of contact, this is true, but their contact is with the shayaateen, not with Allaah, so they inspire one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception), as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies – shayaateen (devils) among mankind and jinns, inspiring one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception). If your Lord had so willed, they would not have done it…” [al-An’aam 6:112]

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… And, certainly, the shayaateen (devils) do inspire their friends (from mankind)…” [al-An’aam 6:121]

“Shall I inform you (O people!) upon whom the shayaateen (devils) descend?

They descend on every lying, sinful person.” [al-Shu’ara 221-222]

This is the contact that is real, not the contact that they falsely claim to have with Allaah. Exalted be Allaah far above that. (See Mu’jam al-Bida’, 346 –359).

When some of these Sufi shaykhs disappear suddenly from the sight of their followers, this is the result of their contact with the shayaateen, who may even carry them to a distant place and bring them back in the same day or night, to mislead their human followers.

So the important rule here is not to judge people by the extraordinary feats that they may do. We should judge them by how closely or otherwise they adhere to the Qur’aan and Sunnah. The true friends of Allaah (awliya’) are not necessarily known for performing astounding feats. On the contrary, they are the ones who worship Allaah in the manner that He has prescribed, and not by doing acts of bid’ah. The true awliya’ or friends of Allaah are those whom our Lord has described in the hadeeth qudsi narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh (5/2384) from Abu Hurayrah, who said:

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah said, ‘Whoever shows enmity towards a friend (wali) of Mine, I declare war against him. My slave does not draw close to Me with anything more loved by Me than the religious duties that I have enjoined on him, and My slave continues to draw close to Me with supererogatory (naafil) acts, so that I will love him. When I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it.’”

And Allaah is the Source of Strength and the Guide to the Straight Path.


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Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

 

[Salem9022]

Of Course "Ahlul-Sunnah" were there at the time of the Prophet since the Sunnah was following the Prophet and his way!

Just out of curiosity. You have a Name called "Islam Will Rule". Clearly we have a difference in Aqeedah(belief) between us and you. Which "Islam" is going to rule according to you? Because it seems your name should rather be "Soufies Will Rule". Can you eloborate what you mean by your name and what Manhaj(Methodology) to be specific will rule?

 

[ShahnazZ]

Quite frankly i stopped reading the article when i reached the part which stated that they deviated from the teachings and are a sect by themselves. You should not rely on a website like this to get information on sufis.

I was expecting this response.

If you don't want to accept daleel when it's presented to you, then that's your call. But this is actually a VERY RELIABLE website that is used for a MULTITUDE of fatwas given on this forum. Like I said initially, generalizations shouldn't be made for EACH and EVERY single individual of a sect but to say that that sect itself is flawless when it is not based on Quran and Sunnah is indeed disputable.

And to say that Ahl as Sunnah were not around during the time of the Prophet SAW makes absolutely NO sense. Ahl as Sunnah means People of the Prophet's Sunnah. Who else could have gotten the Prophet's Sunnah from him other than the Sahaba? Were they not around during his time? We wouldn't know ANYTHING about the Prophet's Sunnah if it weren't for them.

 

[ShahnazZ]

So the thought that since some people tell you that this wasn't around in the time of the messanger of allah, this doesn't mean its bida.

Actually it does.

Bid'ah Hasanah ("Good Innovations")

As Salaam Alaikum Wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatu

I have a question in the area of what is and isn't Bidaa. Over and over again I hear people terming certain actions as Bidaa. I am however confused. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there a hadith by Prophet Muhammed (SAW) that says that anyone who introduces a new helpful hadith will be rewarded. If this is true, then why are all new inovations frowned upon. Jazak Allah Khul Khayer.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly, we should know what "bid'ah" means according to Islamic teaching.

It is defined as: any invented way in religion that is aimed at worshipping or drawing closer to Allaah. This means anything that is not referred to specifically in Sharee'ah, and for which there is no evidence (daleel) in the Qur'aan or Sunnah, and which was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions. At the same time, it is quite obvious that this definition of religious inventions or innovations, which are condemned, does not include worldly inventions [such as cars and washing machines, etc. - Translator].

If your confusion has to do with an apparent contradiction between the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah and the hadeeth narrated by Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, then let us examine these two reports and find out what they mean:

Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah al-Bajali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their reward in any way. Whoever starts a bad thing and is followed by others, will bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their burden in any way.'" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2675. He said, This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth)

There is a story behind this hadeeth, which will explain what "whoever starts a good thing" means. Imaam Muslim reported this story from Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, who also narrated the hadeeth itself. He said: "Some people from the Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), wearing woollen garments. He saw that they were in bad shape and in desperate need, so he urged the people to give them charity. They people were very slow to respond, and it could be seen in his face (that he was upset). Then a man of the Ansaar brought a package of silver, then another came, and another and another, and his face was filled with joy. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts a bad thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a burden of sin like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden.'" (Reported by Muslim, no. 1017)

Further explanation may be found in a report recorded by al-Nisaa'i, also from Jareer ibn 'Abdullah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "We were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) early one day, when some people who were almost naked (not dressed properly) and barefoot, with their swords by their sides, came to him. Most, if not all of them, were of (the tribe of) Mudar. The Messenger's face changed when he saw how poor they were (i.e., he became upset). He went into (his house), then he came out and ordered Bilaal to give the call to prayer. He led the people in prayer, then he addressed them, saying: 'O people, "be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person, and from him He created his wife, and from them both he created many men and women, and fear Allaah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship)" [al-Nisaa' 4:1].

"Fear Allaah, and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to what he has sent forth for the morrow…" [al-Hashr 59:18].

Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah).

From the context of the story, it is clear that what is meant by the words "whoever starts a good thing (sunnah hasanah) in Islam" means: Whoever revives a part of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or teaches it to others, or commands others to follow it, or acts according to it so that others see him or hear about it and follow his example. This is also indicated by the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he urged the people to give him charity. A man said: 'I have such-and-such,' and there was no person left in the gathering who did not give something in charity to him, whether it was a large amount or a little. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts something good, and others follow his lead, will have a complete reward and a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts something bad, and others follow his lead, will bear a complete burden of sin, and a burden like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by Ibn Maaajah in al-Sunan, no. 204)

It should be clear from the above, with no room for doubt, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not allowing innovation in matters of deen (religion), nor was he opening the door to what some people call "bid'ah hasanah," for the following reasons:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated repeatedly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah (innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will be in the Fire." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Sunan, Salaat al-'Eedayn, Baab kayfa al-Khutbah). Reports with the same meaning were narrated via Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ahmad, via al-'Irbaad ibn Saariyah by Abu Dawud and via Ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ibn Maajah.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say, when beginning a khutbah (sermon): "… The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…" (reported by Muslim, no. 867)

If every bid'ah is a going astray, how can some people then say that there is such a thing in Islam as "bid'ah hasanah"? By Allaah, this is an obvious contradiction of the statement and warning of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated that whoever innovates something new in the deen (religion) will have his deed rejected, and Allaah will not accept it, as is stated in the hadeeth narrated by 'Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours that is not a part of it will have it rejected.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath al-Baari, no. 2697). How can anybody then say that bid'ah is acceptable and it is permitted to follow it?

When a person innovates something and adds to the deen something that does not belong to it, he is implying a number of bad things, each worse than the last, for example: That the religion is lacking, that Allaah did not complete and perfect it, and that there is room for improvement. This clearly contradicts the statement in the Qur'aan (interpretation of the meaning): "… This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…" [al-Maa'idah 5:3]

That the religion remained imperfect from the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) until the time when this innovator came along and completed it with his own ideas.

That the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was "guilty" of either of two things: either he was ignorant of this "good innovation," or he knew about it but concealed it, thus letting his ummah down by not conveying it.

That the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), his Companions and the righteous salaf (early generations) missed out on the reward of this "good innovation" - until this innovator came along and earned it for himself, despite the fact that he should say to himself, "If it was truly good, they would have been the first to do it."

Opening the door to bid'ah leads to changing the deen (religion) and opens the way for personal whims and opinions, because every innovator implies that what he is introducing is something good, so whose opinion are we supposed to follow, and which of them should we take as a leader?

Following bid'ah leads to the cancelling out of sunnah practices and the ways of the salaf. Real life bears witness that whenever a bid'ah is followed, a sunnah practice dies out; the reverse is also true.

We ask Allaah to save us from the misguidance of personal whims and from all trials whether they are open or secret. And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

 

[weakslave]

Really? bring me anything were a group of people said WE ARE AHLU-SUNNA, JUST ONE PERSON. Ill be waiting.

To elaborate, it seems you guys are blindly following what is fed to you, what my avatar says is islam will rule, why? becuase i am muslims, i dont know about you. Anyway, sufis are muslims, and to say that ahlu-sunna were at the time of the prophet then so was the sufi tradition. Get your facts straight, AND ILL BE WAITING FOR THAT REFERENCE THAT SOMEONE IN THE PROPHETS TIME OR THE PEOPHET HIMSELF SAID THAT WERE ARE FROM THE AHLU-SUNNA SCHOOL. JUST ONE

Brother, what the sister is telling you is the truth. sister for your posts. Do not be of the ignorant brother, Allaah does not like those who insist on ignorance.

Did you know that you can perform thikr and earn the anger of Allaah Subhanahu Wa Talaa at the same time?

Do you know what Ahlu-Sunnah means? The people of Sunnah. Do you know what Sunnah means? The teachings and the words of the Prophet . There is following the prophet to the letter - the sunnah -, learning everything he did and obeying his every command, and there is everything else. Anything outside of this is not from the Sunnah, and that we do our best to avoid.

Islaam is not in need of people who want to create their own beliefs and understanding. This is not Islaam, this is called An-nafs: personal desire.

The basis for every act of worship is that it is haraam, unless there is evidence to show it exists in the Quraan and the Sunnah. The basis for every worldly act is that it is permissible unless there is evidence to show its prohibition in the Quraan and the Sunnah. This is the Aqeedah of those who are Ahlu-Sunnah.

We all the know the hadith of the prophet . I ask Allaah subhanahu wa talaa to make us of the saved sect, and to grant us the proper understanding of His deen.

And Allaah knows best.

 

[Abu Talib]

Really? bring me anything were a group of people said WE ARE AHLU-SUNNA, JUST ONE PERSON. Ill be waiting.

To elaborate, it seems you guys are blindly following what is fed to you, what my avatar says is islam will rule, why? becuase i am muslims, i dont know about you. Anyway, sufis are muslims, and to say that ahlu-sunna were at the time of the prophet then so was the sufi tradition. Get your facts straight, AND ILL BE WAITING FOR THAT REFERENCE THAT SOMEONE IN THE PROPHETS TIME OR THE PEOPHET HIMSELF SAID THAT WERE ARE FROM THE AHLU-SUNNA SCHOOL. JUST ONE

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The word al-soofiyyah (Sufism) refers to wearing woollen clothes; this is the correct meaning. It was said that it comes from the word safwat al-fuqaha’ (the elite of the fuqaha’) or from Soofah ibn Add ibn Taanijah, an Arab tribe that was known for its asceticism, or from Ahl al-Suffah (poor Muslims in Madeenah at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who used to stay in the mosque), or from al-Safa (the mountain in Makkah), or from the word al-safwah (meaning elite), or from the phrase al-saff al-muqaddam bayna yaday Allaah (the foremost rank before Allaah). All of these views are weak (da’eef); if any of them were true then the word would be saffi or safaa’i or safawi, not sufi.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 11/195

Sufism (tasawwuf) did not appear until after the first three generations which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) praised when he said, “The best of mankind is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them…” (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2652; Muslim, 2533; from the hadeeth of Ibn Mas’ood).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the word soofiyyah (Sufism), it was not known during the first three generations, rather it became known after that.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 11/5

 

[Abu Talib]

:salam2:


sources:
http://www.islaam.net/main/display.php?id=287&category=30
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=138115
http://www.islamawareness.net/Deviant/Submitters/who_submitters.html
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/101272
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543500
http://www.islamfortoday.com/nationofislam.htm
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/.../FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar&cid=1119503544288

Brother in all these fatwa websites search for Sufism they have info on sufism too.

 

[ShahnazZ]

Exactly ahul-sunna means people who are following the sunna, but there was no group or anyone who said this froup is call the ahlu-sunna. To go further, even brother ahmedindian who started this thread agrees with me, you simply added a group which you have no knowledge of, just from a website which you assume is credible.

I honestly have no idea where this gap in communication is coming from. I just told you that Ahl As Sunnah means People of the Sunnah. After the Prophet SAW the best source of those were the SAHABAH. They didn't have to go around saying "We are Ahl As Sunnah"; they were LITERALLY it. That's like you telling me that I have to walk around with the label of "homo sapien" in order for you to identify me as one, when it's obvious that I AM one. Are you literally looking for a group that is known by that name? Because if so, you're placing them above the Sahaba and we know that there is no greater source of Sunnah after the Prophet then the first three generations and Sufism came AFTER those generations.

Instead of getting emotional and trying to take jabs at people you should listen to what's being said to you and see why we're saying it to you. We're not here to argue with you or to prove you wrong. We're simply trying to provide the information we feel will best suit the subject. And um so far all I see are the sources that I'VE provided. Why don't you present us with your own instead of demanding them yourself?

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

:salam2:

I agree with what respected sister Shahnaz has mentioned in her posts here.

I would like to add that there lie many fundamental differences in Aqeedah as well. The differences with sufi are not just confined to the topic of bidah .

Ahl ul Sunnah wal jama'a scholars have published a lot of works refuting the Ashari creed (which a lot of sufi follow as far as I know). Therefore, we take our understanding of Tawheed from different sources as well.

Though we should absolutely refrain from making takfeer because the limitation of our knowledge, we should be aware of the deviation in the methodology and ideology of Sufi people.

May Allah subhaana waa ta'ala guide us all. Ameen

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[DanyalSAC]

I use to work with a guy and this was ah me about 15 years or so ago. We were fairly good friends but kinda lost contact with each other around the year 2000. We suddenly found each other about three or four months ago on Facebook. Lo and behold we discovered that we have BOTH embraced Islam, he in 2001 just prior to 9/11 and me in December of 2008.

In the months of us catching up, he was astounded to find out how much I know about Islam (which is a drop in the sea) while I was astounded to find out how little he knew. Even though he had been Muslim for almost 10 years and me for just a little over one, my newbie Muslim knowledge far outstripped his.

Why? Well because most of what he focused on was Sufism. And when I've tried (gently and using proofs and examples) to coach him away from some of the bid'ah he almost brags about he's gotten downright furious with me!

He talks about in his masjid how they have "congregational zikr" every Saturday, and how he finds "nothing wrong" with chanting "Allah...Allah...Alllah" over and over again. When I quoted the Qur'an 5:3 to him ("This day I have perfected your religion for you...") and asked him "If Allah has made something perfect for us, who are WE to add to it??" he got extremely defensive. When I asked "Do you think our Prophet - peace and blessings upon him - sat and chanted 'Allah...Allah...Allah'... over and over? And he was sent as our EXAMPLE what makes you think WE can do it better?" he almost hung up on me.

I guess in a long winded way here what I'm getting at is when it comes to Sufism those that follow it or practice it will get extremely defensive and will fight tooth and nail to protect what they believe to be a valid worship of Allah.

wa Allahu alim... and Allah knows best...

D.

 

[adanshai]

I am from Pakistan , you are correct BIDAH is rampant here, mostly due to ignorance.
if the beliefs and practices that are mentioned here and elsewhere about deviant groups then may ALLAH ALMIGHTY help them and us and protect us from these deviations (Ameen).

One things I want to add here about Ahl Sunnah -

In his last sermon did not the Prophet (may ALLAH peace and blessing be upon him) warn muslims to hold on the teachings of the Quran and his Sunnah -
if you follow and act on Sunnah of the prophet , Then we are Ahl Sunnah - followers of the Sunnah .

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

If a person decides that Sufism is the path that purifies their soul..let it be. If we are in congregational prayer you could not tell a Sufi from a Sunni or a Shia or a Salfi or even a hypocrite.
We are the ones that are placing barriers. We are the ones pointing fingers. In looking at the history of Islam many times Sufi's are the ones that were responsible for introducing Islam to others who eventually reverted.
Sufism is not a practical day to day approach to applied Islam. Sufism is a very interpersonal relationship with Allah. It is the renunciation of the worldly life.
Why do we constantly belittle others. Why can we not concentrate on helping others. We are so mute about making changes.
We are being judgmental; let us discuss topics that will assist us in bettering ourselves..but let us not be comparative.
Folks let me put it simply: ain't nothing being discussed here that Allah subhana talla does not know...so let Him be the One to Decide who goes where and why and when.