sister herb
Official TTI Chef
What if the captain too is female?
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Lebanese all-women aid ship to head to Gaza
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What if the captain too is female?
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As-salaamu `alaykum
There are many, many women who are alone support themselves, no one disputes that they have special needs. Some scholars say that they can make hijrah and travel by themselves for this very reason (esp. in case of reverts). But nothing says that these particular women on this ship need to support themselves. Even if they do, then how supporting themselves somehow includes supporting others in Palestine I don't know.
The exceptions granted to the lone woman that you're referring to don't envelope all women such as those on this boat. They are completely different scenarios.
Remember, every act that is not in accordance to the sunnah is rejected. While I wish only good for those on the boat and their success on this voyage, we cannot turn eye to what apparently seems incorrect in the first place. I'm hoping these sisters acted on knowledge and not just mere whims, desires and emotions as we all often do. If it was on knowledge then alhamdulillaah, though some of us disagree with this. If it wasn't then they haven't improved the overall Muslim situation at all.
Was-salaam
There are many, many women who are alone support themselves, no one disputes that they have special needs. Some scholars say that they can make hijrah and travel by themselves for this very reason (esp. in case of reverts). But nothing says that these particular women on this ship need to support themselves. Even if they do, then how supporting themselves somehow includes supporting others in Palestine I don't know.
The exceptions granted to the lone woman that you're referring to don't envelope all women such as those on this boat. They are completely different scenarios.
Remember, every act that is not in accordance to the sunnah is rejected. While I wish only good for those on the boat and their success on this voyage, we cannot turn eye to what apparently seems incorrect in the first place. I'm hoping these sisters acted on knowledge and not just mere whims, desires and emotions as we all often do. If it was on knowledge then alhamdulillaah, though some of us disagree with this. If it wasn't then they haven't improved the overall Muslim situation at all.
Was-salaam
wa 'alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaah
I think you're misunderstanding me sister. A few things to note. I don't recall ever complaining in my post, nor in ever being critical of the sisters themselves. I believe they are of course very brave and doing this with good intentions - inshaAllaah.
However in my post what I tried to do was take a NPOV and look at this matter Islaamically. I tried to raise the question of the legitimacy of this action according to the Shari'ah by which we lead our lives, and as to how perhaps in future it could be altered to be both good and halaal.
What I don't want to do is give girls the simple message that it's permissible to go and do this, when clearly it may not be. We as Muslims cant simply feed off our emotions to fuel our actions - many wrong and haraam actions have been the product of such a combination. We can't only rely on hypothetical situations.
What if a woman is past child-bearing age? Does she stop being a woman? Do her rights to protection, security, and her obligation under Islaam dissipate? What if the captain of the ship is a man? Is he the brother/father/uncle to every woman on board?
I think we need to look at a broader scope (I don't see how I was 'narrowing it' to be honest). I believe in the empowerment of women. Truly with all my heart I do, and I admire and respect the women who do go out of their way for Islaam. There are so many examples scattered among the women of our past, and among the Sahaabiyaat radiAllaahu anhunna. However what you will notice among the righteous women of our past, was that they would strive in Islaam, but according to the limits set by Allaah and fearing Allaah in their actions.
And for each of us I believe we should do the same. But again you will not find in my posts any judgements against these sisters at all. I pray that Allaah facilitates their way to what is best. And again that's all I have to say on the matter at present.
Allaah knows best
AdamMuslim
Junior Member
Assalamou Alikom Warahmatou Allah,
Personally, I do not support this action at all because I would rather die than see my sister/mother/daughter captured and humiliated by a dirty zionist.
Have you ever heard of people who have sent their women to fight in their place ??? because this is not a peaceful Mediterranean cruise, this is war !
The Israeli will take immense pleasure humiliating them if they capture them and who grantee what those zioniste might do ????
In my opinion whoever allow this action to take place in the name of sex equality is totally mistaken even if he/she is a secular person because this is matter of honor !
P.S:
Dear sister Aapa,
Islam honored women more than any other religion before. Before Islam women were considered almost like any object that you can buy or sell. We absolutely love our sisters/mothers/daughters very much and personally If I am against this action it is because I do not accept that our sister be humiliated by a dirty, unmoral and filthy enemy. What would be your reaction if one sister get raped ?? wouldn't that be horrible ? I would prefer to die myself rather than a Zionist lay a hand on a sister.
Wassalam
Personally, I do not support this action at all because I would rather die than see my sister/mother/daughter captured and humiliated by a dirty zionist.
Have you ever heard of people who have sent their women to fight in their place ??? because this is not a peaceful Mediterranean cruise, this is war !
The Israeli will take immense pleasure humiliating them if they capture them and who grantee what those zioniste might do ????
In my opinion whoever allow this action to take place in the name of sex equality is totally mistaken even if he/she is a secular person because this is matter of honor !
P.S:
Dear sister Aapa,
Islam honored women more than any other religion before. Before Islam women were considered almost like any object that you can buy or sell. We absolutely love our sisters/mothers/daughters very much and personally If I am against this action it is because I do not accept that our sister be humiliated by a dirty, unmoral and filthy enemy. What would be your reaction if one sister get raped ?? wouldn't that be horrible ? I would prefer to die myself rather than a Zionist lay a hand on a sister.
Wassalam
sister herb
Official TTI Chef
:salam2:
Of course it is not any peacefull Mediterranean cruise and I believe those women know it very well, so they know the risks. In every other ships have also been women - muslims, christians, jews, atheists as well. They maybe are thinking those Palestinian sisters/mothers/daughters whose are living in the hell called occupied Palestine every day and want to bring them even some help and hope. One ship in this situation is just like one drop in the ocean but as we know, just drops make ocean.
I don´t see this any kind of act of "sex equality" but simple humanitarian act like every other ships before and after as well as humanitarian convoys.
This same ship "Mariam" tried before at once sail to Gaza but at that time zionists forced it to return to Tripoli (Lebanon) as at sea its captain made decision to turn and keep passangers safe, not become captured as has happened to most of other ships.
Lets see what happens at this time.
Of course it is not any peacefull Mediterranean cruise and I believe those women know it very well, so they know the risks. In every other ships have also been women - muslims, christians, jews, atheists as well. They maybe are thinking those Palestinian sisters/mothers/daughters whose are living in the hell called occupied Palestine every day and want to bring them even some help and hope. One ship in this situation is just like one drop in the ocean but as we know, just drops make ocean.
I don´t see this any kind of act of "sex equality" but simple humanitarian act like every other ships before and after as well as humanitarian convoys.
This same ship "Mariam" tried before at once sail to Gaza but at that time zionists forced it to return to Tripoli (Lebanon) as at sea its captain made decision to turn and keep passangers safe, not become captured as has happened to most of other ships.
Lets see what happens at this time.
Me too lol, I think it would be awesome to know how to (drive?) a boat (within the right context obviously)
On a more serious note though, Islaamic charities like UWT, Islaamic Relief and Muslim Aid to name a few are always trying to help out in Palestine and something I’ve always noticed is that when it comes to actually delivering the aid, (be it in whatever form) it is always Muslim brothers who are doing that on the ground, never Muslim women.
No, this is more of a symbolic act due to events in the recent past. It isn’t as though atrocities in Palestine began only last week, the extra money required for the funding of the flotilla and the journey itself could have just been given to UWT (probably the best charity with 100% donations policy) and it would have been more in line with Islaamic principles overall and the same amount of aid would have reached the people in need if that was the main/primary concern.
Wa-salaam
sister herb
Official TTI Chef
:salam2:
Like how to get funds directly to the needy when Gaza is under economical siege? Funding via UNRWA whose can´t send more than minimum of its aid to Gaza (even zionists claim they open borders to humanitarian aid but reality is they refuse to let most of aid to Gaza)?
Yes yes zionists have announced to send aid via its ports and let them check it first but in cause of they lies, they don´t let it reach to sieged Gaza. Now they try for example to bring medicine for cancer to Gaza and those medicines are in the list not allowed send to Gaza (like books too).
Try to send them via Egypt? At the border between Gaza and Egypt have been already months a lot of aid material what now Egypt hasn´t allowed enter to Gaza (in cause of request of zionists of course).
arzafar
Junior Member
oh i forgot about this thread completely.
i guess my views regarding jihad and islam on the whole are highly influenced by sheikh ibn Baz since i follow Islamqa. I do realize that this is somewhat extremist view because most scholars nowadays dont speak about the qital part of the jihad and dont even mention that jihad can be an offensive too.
basically the following is the view i hold.
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/20214/
with reference to gaza/kashmir/afghanistan and other muslim lands under siege jump to (Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 7/335) in the above link.
the key is that sufficient people must undertake, otherwise the rest are sinning. atm clearly there aren't sufficient people doing it. In fact the surrounding countries (egypt, jordan, pakistan) are allying with the enemy. also i believe that paying taxes to kaafir countries comes under the category of supporting them or taking them as 'awlia' (protectors, friends). again this is the view of sheikh munajjid and it is a controversial view but one that i am convinced is correct.
Id be happy to follow another view on any of the above issues if someone else can provide a more solid textual evidence without going into some far fetched interpretations.
Salaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi akhi,
First of all, not all military struggles going in present time can be termed as 'jihad'. They have elements of nationalism, tribalism etc etc. Some of them waging wars aren't even on the correct aqeedah or don't even pray 5 times a day.
This is not a stretch. These are actual reports from people who have traveled to support these struggles in various parts of muslim world.
And the fatwa you posted contains a good answer by Sh Uthaymeen rahimullah at the end. Perhaps you can purchase some books on the subject from Dar Us Salaam or trusted book publications that provide insight on such sensitive matters.
Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi
First of all, not all military struggles going in present time can be termed as 'jihad'. They have elements of nationalism, tribalism etc etc. Some of them waging wars aren't even on the correct aqeedah or don't even pray 5 times a day.
This is not a stretch. These are actual reports from people who have traveled to support these struggles in various parts of muslim world.
And the fatwa you posted contains a good answer by Sh Uthaymeen rahimullah at the end. Perhaps you can purchase some books on the subject from Dar Us Salaam or trusted book publications that provide insight on such sensitive matters.
Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi