Salaah postures for Women

[MusLiMah_Kubra]

Assalamalaikum wa rahmatul lahi wa barkatuhu ~

Hopin & Prayin everyonez in best of Health & Imaan Inshaallah,

Its been long i posted somethin..
Wel,
I just wanted to confirm, if the postures of Salaah (prayer in Islam) are different for men & women??
As far as my knowledge, according to the famous Bukhari Hadith the Prophet said,"Pray as you have seen me praying.."
As he didnt mention it different for men & women.. it makes sense that he referred it to mankind as whole, right?

Some girls, i know, pray in an unusual manner which i found very strange, & when questioned they gave me a brief explanation & following Hadith references too. Can someone please help me out in knowing how authentic are the hadiths i mentioned here, also mentioning the authenticity of its chain of narration? Please that would be of great help..as i sense they are fabricated..


The Hadiths are:

1) Yazid bin Abi Habib reports that the Prophet passed by two women who were praying Salaah. He said: “When you prostrate, let part of your body cling to the earth, for women are unlike men in this regard” (Maraseel of Imaam Abu Dawood).

2) Sayyidina Ibn Umar (R.A.) narrates that the Prophet said: “When a woman sits in Salaah, she should place one thigh over the other, and when she prostrates, she should press her stomach to her thighs in a manner that is the most concealing for her. Indeed Allah looks at her saying: Oh my angels! I make you witness that I have forgiven her” (Baihaqi).

3) Sayyidina Wail bin Hujr (R.A.) reports that the Prophet said: “O Ibn Hujr! When you pray make your hands level with your ears. And the woman shall raise her hands close to her bosom” (Tabrani).​

They also told me that the verdicts of many Sahaaba (R.A.) and Taabieen are also recorded in the books of Hadith, which clearly establish the various differences in the Salaah of women. How true is that??




Jazakallahu Khairan wa Kaseeran

 

[MohammedMaksudul]

:salam2:

I too would like to be enlightened about this.

 

[JenGiove]

Salaam,

I had hear these same things which is why I asked this question in the other thread about Salaah videos...they always show men praying but not women and I wanted to know what the differences were, if any.

Btw, how in the world are you supposed to cross one thigh over the other while sitting in Salaah?

 

[Salam2You]

Salam2You,

You put a thigh over the other, but the word 'cross' is ambiguous, and one of the meanings are to put over

So have you sat down on the floor with both your legs on one side?
it's like this

Hands go on the laps, and ofcourse, cover yourselves unlike this woman! :shymuslima1:
P.S. The toes point towards the Kaaba

Hope that answered your question

Wsalam2You! :shake:

 

[MusLiMah_Kubra]

Btw, how in the world are you supposed to cross one thigh over the other while sitting in Salaah?

walaikum as salaam

yep i wonder too!

But they do it with so much ease... it kind of looked lil weird to me ... i mean it was so strange..

*tsk *tsk sister JenGiove, guez what?! I just simply expected that u mite answer this
maybe bcoz though u havnt reverted yet, mashallah u hav lota information about Islamic perspectives on many issues, for example like, giving out links ..etc.. (i guez perhaps u google it :wink: )



~Inshaallah hope to get this query explained by someone, soon..actually needed it urgently so i cud convey the true way to my sisters back home..

jazakallah khairan everyone

 

[MusLiMah_Kubra]

Salam2You,

You put a thigh over the other, but the word 'cross' is ambiguous, and one of the meanings are to put over

So have you sat down on the floor with both your legs on one side?
it's like this

Hands go on the laps, and ofcourse, cover yourselves unlike this woman! :shymuslima1:

Hope that answered your question

Wsalam2You! :shake:

Walaikum as salaam wa rahmatullah sister Salam2You,

well..no offense dear sis, but i found the pic above a bit funny, but i think it was so cute & innocent of u saying 'cover urself unlike this woman' Jazakallah sis..

But no what i hav seen is a lil different, i dunno how they do that..but it was not as u mentioned, they did it sitting on both their legs..:shymuslima1:

But what i wanna know is how far are the hadiths mentioned above, authentic?? :shymuslima1:

~

 

[um__ahmad]

I want to know why are things sooo complicated :S As much I try I feel like everything im doing is wrong . And now my salat the only things I thought i was doing right :S

 

[Ibn Uthaymin]

Walykum assalam

Ibrahim ann nak`hi said : "A woman's actions in the prayer are the same as a man's" - transmitted by Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/75/2)

Umm Darrdaa used to sit in prayer just as a man does.

This what Shaykh Albani said:

"The hadeeth about the indimaam (tucking up) of a woman in prostration, and that she is in that regard not like a man, is mursal and not authentic. Abu Daawood transmitted it in al- Maraaseel on the authority of Yazeed ibn Abi Habeeb.

As for what Imaam Ahmad has reported, as in his son 'Abdullaah's Masaa'il, from Ibn 'Umar, that he used to instruct his wives to sit cross-legged in prayer, its sanad is not authentic, for it contains 'Abdullaah ibn 'Umar al-'Amri, who is a da'eef (weak) narrator. "

The people who mainly disagree are the hanafees. If they are fanatical, just ignore them.

Endless debates/ areguments over fiqhi issues is not recommended.

 

[MusLiMah_Kubra]

Jazakallahu khairan wa kaseeran bro Ibn Uthaymin,

that was indeed a great help..ur reply serves as a good contradiction to the hadiths mentioned above..

I am at present residing in UAE, my homeland is India, & as known, there are mostly Hanafis out there back home.. So, true people who mainly disagree on that are hanafis..

I take ur advice...thanX...jazakallah...

But hoping Inshaallah Allah swt make them comprehend the true aqeedah...

Allah swt accept our efforts, Ameen

~Salaam alaikum

 

[MusLiMah_Kubra]

I want to know why are things sooo complicated :S As much I try I feel like everything im doing is wrong . And now my salat the only things I thought i was doing right :S

Assalamalaikum sis um-ahmad,

plz dont be disheartened dear sis...

I have this hadith for u,

The Prophet said "If Allah wants to do good to a person He makes him comprehend the religion (meaning understanding of the Qur'an & Sunnah (legal ways) of the Prophet .) " Sahih Bukhari, Hadith no.71

Allah swt guide u & us & help us with His Mercy in following & practising correct manner of our every act, according to Sunnah..Ameen

Jazakallahu khair
Take care..

 

[JenGiove]

yep i wonder too!

But they do it with so much ease... it kind of looked lil weird to me ... i mean it was so strange..

Salaam sister,
Actually, when I saw the picture, I realized that in America, this is simply called "sitting lady-like" and its a position that most native american women use when sitting on the ground. I must admit though, if I tryed to sit that way for more than a minute or two, I would be in soooo much pain. My knees swell from the abuse I've put them through.

*tsk *tsk sister JenGiove, guez what?! I just simply expected that u mite answer this
maybe bcoz though u havnt reverted yet, mashallah u hav lota information about Islamic perspectives on many issues, for example like, giving out links ..etc.. (i guez perhaps u google it :wink: )

Sister, you do me too great an honor because I have no intention of reverting. Yes, I learn quickly and yes, I google even quicker! lol! but alot of my own beliefs of behavior are the same as any Muslims so maybe it can be confusing, and for that, I'm sorry. Those who are farmiliar with me here know that I am here not to learn so that I can revert, but simply to learn. I try extremely hard to place myself in the shoes of others here and I have never spoken a bad word about Islam or the Prophet, Inshallah. I thank you though, for thinking that I would make a good Muslimah.

 

[Aapa]

Salaam,

Once you get used to it it is easy. When you prostrate in that position it is more feminine and one's bottoms are easier to contain. I am always startled by the number of sisters who prostrate like men with the bottoms up in the air and not folded.

 

[thariq2005]

Wa `alaykkum salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh

With regards to the narration of Yazeed, then as brother “Ibn Uthaymin” mentioned, the hadeeth narrated by Abu dawood in his Al Maraaseel, is Mursal. As Yazeed ibn abi Habeeb narrates from the Messenger of Allaah :saw2: directly (thus making it mursal). And there is a similar narration (by matn) that was narrated by Al Bayhaqi in his “As Sunan Al Kubraa” and this narration is not only mursal, but has 2 other weakness in its chain. One person who is majhool (unkown) and another person in the chain who is Maqbool (Transposition)


As for the narration of Ibn `Umar, then this hadeeth was narrated through the route of Abu Mutee` Al Khurasaany/ Al Balkhi.
Ibn Hajar classified this hadeeth as “Shadeedu da`eef”, very weak (high level of weakness)
Ibn Hajar says about Abu Mutee`: “Matrook al Hadeeth” (He has been accused of lying in hadeeth), and a large number of scholars weakened him. Yahya ibn Ma`een said “He is nothing” and “weak”. Other scholars who weakened him include: Abu Haatim ar Raazi, Bayhaqi (the one who recorded this hadeeth), Abu Dawood, An Nasaa’ee, Al Bukhaari and Ad Daaraqutni.
Most of his narrations do not even have supporting narrations (which includes this hadeeth too) as mentioned by Ibn `Adiyy

As for the narration in Tabaraani narrated by Waa'il ibn Hujr, then this is weak too, as it has ‘Umm Yahya bint `Abdul Jabbaar and Maymoonah bint Hujr. They both are Majhool (unknown) as mentioned by Al Haythamee


Finally, as you asked about the statements about the Sahaabah and Tabi`een, then I do not know if these statements of the sahaabah (regarding the women should pray different from men) are authentic. However, Ibn Abi Shaybah reports authentic narrations that are mursal (authentic on the salaf), that the prayer of the women are different men. However these sayings do not hold weight as it is opposed by the authentic narrations of the Messenger of Allaah :saw2:, and it his :saw2: words that are to be given precedence. And Allaah knows best

 

[MusLiMah_Kubra]

Wa `alaykkum salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh

With regards to the narration of Yazeed, then as brother “Ibn Uthaymin” mentioned, the hadeeth narrated by Abu dawood in his Al Maraaseel, is Mursal. As Yazeed ibn abi Habeeb narrates from the Messenger of Allaah :saw2: directly (thus making it mursal). And there is a similar narration (by matn) that was narrated by Al Bayhaqi in his “As Sunan Al Kubraa” and this narration is not only mursal, but has 2 other weakness in its chain. One person who is majhool (unkown) and another person in the chain who is Maqbool (Transposition)


As for the narration of Ibn `Umar, then this hadeeth was narrated through the route of Abu Mutee` Al Khurasaany/ Al Balkhi.
Ibn Hajar classified this hadeeth as “Shadeedu da`eef”, very weak (high level of weakness)
Ibn Hajar says about Abu Mutee`: “Matrook al Hadeeth” (He has been accused of lying in hadeeth), and a large number of scholars weakened him. Yahya ibn Ma`een said “He is nothing” and “weak”. Other scholars who weakened him include: Abu Haatim ar Raazi, Bayhaqi (the one who recorded this hadeeth), Abu Dawood, An Nasaa’ee, Al Bukhaari and Ad Daaraqutni.
Most of his narrations do not even have supporting narrations (which includes this hadeeth too) as mentioned by Ibn `Adiyy

As for the narration in Tabaraani narrated by Waa'il ibn Hujr, then this is weak too, as it has ‘Umm Yahya bint `Abdul Jabbaar and Maymoonah bint Hujr. They both are Majhool (unknown) as mentioned by Al Haythamee


Finally, as you asked about the statements about the Sahaabah and Tabi`een, then I do not know if these statements of the sahaabah (regarding the women should pray different from men) are authentic. However, Ibn Abi Shaybah reports authentic narrations that are mursal (authentic on the salaf), that the prayer of the women are different men. However these sayings do not hold weight as it is opposed by the authentic narrations of the Messenger of Allaah :saw2:, and it his :saw2: words that are to be given precedence. And Allaah knows best

Jazakallahu khairan wa kaseeran bro Thariq for addin in the details..

Inshaallah this sums up to a great proof..

Thanx for ur efforts..Allah reward u abundantly Inshaallah

Allah swt guide the Ummah to HIS DEEN based upon HIS REVEALED WORDS. Ameen

 

[um__ahmad]

Thanks muslima_kubra