Will Egypt Lose Their Ancient Treasures Again???

[Ibn Uthaymin]

I dont care about the sphinx, but if anyone tries destroying the pyramids i would be pissed!


@Asja, have you ever been Egypt?

I haven't killed anyone. I don't know anyone who has killed another human being. Maybe my grandpa in world war 2.

American government + American soldiers = Killing of other people.

You cant cover up history. Im not saying Americans are evil, but the country has been active in pushing its genocidal consensus all over the world.

 

[Asja]

Wow.

<message is too short>

Asalamu allaicum wa raahmtullah wa baraaktuhu

Dear sister maybe the message was too short, but Allahs Law (Shariah Law) is clear and it is for all times, untill The Day of Judgment insha-allah when we all will be asked for our deeds, and when we will know have we fulfilled commands of Allah.

Untill then we should strive as much as we can to be on the right path and we should always pray to Allah to guide us all.

May Allah bless you dear sister and forgive me if I have said something wrong

Wa Allaicumu Sallam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

 

[Valerie]

American government + American soldiers = Killing of other people.

You cant cover up history. Im not saying Americans are evil, but the country has been active in pushing its genocidal consensus all over the world.

I won't deny it has happened, but people who point fingers have 3 pointing back at them. (Pot? Kettle?)

And I'm an Army veteran.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Brother,

You must consider that most Americans are lied to about history. The government fabricates news. Most history books are rewritten with an agenda to pacify the US citizens.

Thus many who join the armed forces are quite unaware of the geo-political situation and the level of American involvement in search of hegemony.

Many who join the armed forces do so out of necessity. There are no other jobs. When many return they come back with many psychiatric disorders. And this is not opinion. Look at the suicide rates of returning soldiers.

 

[al-fajr]

I dont care about the sphinx, but if anyone tries destroying the pyramids i would be pissed!

..language yeh?

On the same point though, I'd be really annoyed too! I want to see the pyramids so bad, and the Fir'awns remains. Its fascinated me for years.

Theres plenty of obelisks and ancient egyptian symbolism in many UK cities. When I was in London in particular I saw loads of Ancient Egyptian symbols at what would seem to be totally random places.

Wa-salaam

 

[Asja]

I dont care about the sphinx, but if anyone tries destroying the pyramids i would be pissed!


@Asja, have you ever been Egypt?



American government + American soldiers = Killing of other people.

You cant cover up history. Im not saying Americans are evil, but the country has been active in pushing its genocidal consensus all over the world.

Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa barkatuhu

If Allah would give earthquake on the area where pyramids are,and they be destroyed how would you feel than brother?

Alhamdulilah, I am not trying to say that we should destroy pyramids, but that we should destoy idols.

As for your question, my answer would not benefit you in any way.

And mashallah you have said good for American goverment.

May Allah judge them on both worlds for every evil that they have done.

 

[revert2007]

As salamu 'alaikum

I have been living in Egypt for almost 2 years now and not a single time I have visited the Museum nor Pyramids.

What is the big deal with the idols and artifacts? Who really cares actually(at least not me).They just need those stuff to make money(yeah tourism).


They can steal whatever they want ...at least they can't steal those pyramids lol.

OK be serious now. By having those idols or so called "beautiful artifact that we are suppose to appreciate", did that solve the poverty problem in Egypt?Or at least did that bring happiness to poor people in Egypt?

The answer is NO.

As for me(my personal oppinion and I am not speaking on behalf of anyone),I really don't care about those idols as everything will be destroyed one day by Allah The Exalted.

If you ask me to choose between 5cents of Egyptian bread and those"precious idols" i would rather choose Egyptian bread.


Let's talk about those people who died in the riot and what is going to happen next to Egypt. Lets careless on something which has been forbidden by Allah.

Allah knows the best
As salamu' alaikum

 

[Parvaiz]

:salam2:
People should protect their religion and country rather than statues.What can they give anyway ? They are nothing but piece of stone which will be wiped out when disaster struck .Is their anything precious than your religion that you will state it priceless?Whoever wants them can take them Muslims don't need them we have Allah the Almighty the high power.These treasure aren't near to the weight of grain.Muslims yet don't know the power of iblees he can make most pious Muslim on the wrong path.Some people also now keep in their homes ,i don't understand when we aren't allowed to keep a picture in our home how are we even allowed to keep statues .
Are you dying to see these pyramids etc why don't you take that time and try to earn what Allah has promised you .
Fear Allah all the time and pray to him all the time until you die.
May he grant us what he has promised ,the thing no eye has seen, no ear has heard and no brain can imagine it .

Post not intended at particular person

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

:salam2:

Let the incumbent govt. deal with the headache of these idols/sculpture/pyramids and what to do with them. We should concentrate our energies and time elsewhere.

InshaAllah let's spend our time learning and discussing matter that are beneficial to us and draw us closer to Allah azz zawajal.

 

[queenislam]

Not To Admire But To Acknowledge!!!


:salam2:

:ma:
So many reply to this thread it's seem interesting and many has
voice and speak out what was in their thought.

Thank you for you kind and interest in reponding to my thread


First:
The idea when pyramid and mummies bodies brought out from their coffins was not from the goverment of Egypt idea it coming from all sort of people around the world and world class archeologist .To witness the famous person Firaun(pharoah) and his communities as told in the holy qurán.



"So, today We rescue you with your body [only], so that you will be for those after you a sign." (10:92)

With reference of above surah i must admit one of the reason the Pyramid(old tomb) was open because those mummies bodies was an eye opening and for people who eager to learn and to find truth which mostly came among the disbelievers.

Those mummies are not for idol or worship but a break through for the disbelievers to find their way into Islam.
This is not wrong as it clearly stated in the holy qurán

"So, today We rescue you with your body [only], so that you will be for those after you a sign." (10:92)

With references of above surah what Egypt doing didn't go against Islam.

Those many Ancient Artifacts should be preserve and remain in Egypt as they are sound from the holy qu'ran and shouldn't be taken out from Egypt as it is consider National Treasures and seriously need to be in security.


I respect your decision but to respect the holy word from Allah swt is first to take account.

We won't give the opportunies for those people to steal those Ancient Artifacts but if some who didn't care.But i know Allah swt will cause those who steal the precious Ancient Artifacts either loss their life or encounter mishap upon stealing and keeping those historic for themself or brought it out from Egypt.
Don't say i didn't warn but the verse(holy qurán) above clearly stated.
And many has met their fate as was reported::astag:


p.s
About visiting Egypt museum
~One may choose to visit and see but it not forbidden not to see too!

May Allah swt help and guide us~Amin!

Thank you for reading.
Take Care!
~Wassalam .

 

[Parvaiz]

:salam2:
Sister if you taken the ayah from the surah yunas here is the exact wording

So this day We shall deliver your (dead) body (out from the sea) that you may be a sign to those who come after you! And verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Ayat

Salaf scholar state this was due to the children of Israel doubting Fir`awn death so Allah commanded the sea to throw the Fir 'awn body without the soul,so they could confirm he was indeed dead , i don't see what do the statues have to do with this case as this was done by Allah and statues were simply created by humans they aren't a body.

 

[queenislam]

:salam2:
Sister if you taken the ayah from the surah yunas here is the exact wording


Salaf scholar state this was due to the children of Israel doubting Fir`awn death so Allah commanded the sea to throw the Fir 'awn body without the soul,so they could confirm he was indeed dead , i don't see what do the statues have to do with this case as this was done by Allah and statues were simply created by humans they aren't a body.

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:salam2:

These translation from Ayah surah Yunus
has continuation and directly show the same meaning~from the Arabic words.


"So, today We rescue you with your body [only], so that you will be for those after you a sign." (10:92)


And with continuation:


"This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou may be a Sign to those who come after thee!
But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"

or

So this day We shall deliver your (dead) body (out from the sea) that you may be a sign to those who come after you! And verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Ayat


Thank you for reading.
Take care!
~Wassalam

 

[arzafar]

do you realize this pyramids belong to Pharaohs people who called themselves God :astag:

how can any muslim (or even christian or jew) 'like' them?

 

[Ibn Uthaymin]

..language yeh?

I dont mean in a rude way, but whats wrong with the word pissed? Im sure you get pissed too sometimes.

I won't deny it has happened, but people who point fingers have 3 pointing back at them. (Pot? Kettle?)

And I'm an Army veteran.

Exactly, tell your mate Aapa not to gas over Britain and i wont say anything about America.

If Allah would give earthquake on the area where pyramids are,and they be destroyed how would you feel than brother?

Alhamdulilah, I am not trying to say that we should destroy pyramids, but that we should destoy idols.

As for your question, my answer would not benefit you in any way.

Precisely, if you`ve never seen it dont ask for its destruction. And thats a hypothetical situation, its never happend and Allah knows best if it wil happen.


Dont worry, im not stalking you.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Now you have me laughing. I never dislike a people. ( for heaven's sake I have to put up with a brother in law whose accent is so thick we still don't understand him..he's British.!)

I am waiting for Sister Valerie to respond. ( we can't help it if we are American..).

 

[Asja]

Precisely, if you`ve never seen it dont ask for its destruction. And thats a hypothetical situation, its never happend and Allah knows best if it wil happen.


Dont worry, im not stalking you.

Assalamu allaicum wa raahmtullah wa baraktuhu

Brother, Allhamdullilah we can make prayer to Allah, for destruction of wrong things even if we did not see them with our own eyes, becouse maybe we have heared about them and we know which is Allahs rulling regarding them.

I know it is hypothetical situation, but I am sure insha-allah you would not be angry if pyramids were to be destroyed in earthquake by Allahs order. And Allah knows the best.

Do not worry brother, I know you are not "stalking" me, SubhanAllah

May Allah guide us all.Ameen

 

[Valerie]

Exactly, tell your mate Aapa not to gas over Britain and i wont say anything about America.

:salam2:

I'm stepping out. There's nothing I can possibly say at this point that would do anything other than continue problems. I do that too much and I just don't have the energy or desire to be a part of the problem. I'll just leave it as no country is innocent, its up to individuals to rise above the pettiness. And I have to learn to practice what I preach. I hope for nothing but the best for you.

I was born in America. I joined the military to pay off student loans and have experience in my chosen field (journalism). I never harmed anyone, nor wished harm on anyone, and still don't. Actions of politicians (or to broaden it a bit.. extremists) don't speak for all Americans (or all British, etc). If it weren't for the internet, no one in the US would have a clue about the real thoughts and feelings of the Egyptian people. The reverse is probably true.

The last thing I'll say on this subject is that if it isn't yours, it isn't your place to destroy it. That can solve so many problems in this world. War, oppression... Want to break something? Break your own things. I know that plenty of governments excel in that.

Have a lovely day, all of you, and I hope that your lives are full of blessings.

 

[fada_all]

jazaki allah khairan katiran dear sis

 

[abdul-aziz]

:salam2:

I'm stepping out. There's nothing I can possibly say at this point that would do anything other than continue problems. I do that too much and I just don't have the energy or desire to be a part of the problem. I'll just leave it as no country is innocent, its up to individuals to rise above the pettiness. And I have to learn to practice what I preach. I hope for nothing but the best for you.

I was born in America. I joined the military to pay off student loans and have experience in my chosen field (journalism). I never harmed anyone, nor wished harm on anyone, and still don't. Actions of politicians (or to broaden it a bit.. extremists) don't speak for all Americans (or all British, etc). If it weren't for the internet, no one in the US would have a clue about the real thoughts and feelings of the Egyptian people. The reverse is probably true.

The last thing I'll say on this subject is that if it isn't yours, it isn't your place to destroy it. That can solve so many problems in this world. War, oppression... Want to break something? Break your own things. I know that plenty of governments excel in that.

Have a lovely day, all of you, and I hope that your lives are full of blessings.

:salam2:

wow, I am impressed by your background valerie, I never knew. mashAllah.

it is not acceptable to destroy these things as they are not idols. I don't there is anyone on earth today they worship these artifacts to conclude they are idols as well.

The arabic word for idol is sunam or asnaam for idols. No mention of that when I read relating to the artifacts.

Allah knows best.

have a nice day!

 

[sister herb]

:salam2:

As Allah hasn´t destroyed pyramids (and statues which were inside of them) during thousands of year by earthquake or something like, what if it is sign to let them remain and not try to destroy them by people?

Allah knows the best.