allahsservant
beautifl muslimah
does anyone know where i can order some free dhikr prayr beads,free of shipping and handling?
dhikr beads?
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Globalpeace
Banned
Asslamo Allaikum Sister,
Buy it from your local shop as getting it shipped will cost you.
Buy it from your local shop as getting it shipped will cost you.
:salam2:
Hey sis, I don't want to in any way stunt your disire to do Dhikr, but what is best is that you use your hands for Dhikr. It's Free, no shipping or order was necessary. Allah gave you your hands, they are the perfect tools for Dhikr to Allah. It's Sunnah and more recommended to do it with your hands anyway...
Here's a question about this topic:
Question:
What is the ruling on using the masbahah (prayer beads)?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Some scholars say that it is permissible to use the masbahah, but they say that it is preferable to do tasbeeh on one’s fingers; others say that it is bid’ah (reprehensible innovation).
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Fataawa (22/187): “Some of them might show off by putting their prayer-mats over their shoulders and carrying their masbahahs in their hands, making them symbols of religion and prayer. It is known from the mutawaatir reports that neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) nor his Companions used these as symbols. They used to recite tasbeeh and count on their fingers, as the hadeeth says: “Count on your fingers, for they will asked, and will be made to speak.” Some of them may count their tasbeeh with pebbles or date stones. Some people say that doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is makrooh, and some allow it, but no one says that tasbeeh with the masbahah is better than tasbeeh with the fingers.” Then he (may Allaah have mercy on him) goes on to discuss the issue of showing off with the masbahah, saying that it is showing off with regard to something that is not prescribed by Islam, which is worse than showing off with regard to something that is prescribed.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (al-Liqa’ al-Maftooh, 3/30) was asked whether using the masbahah for tasbeeh is bid’ah, and his reply was: “It is better not to do tasbeeh with the masbahah, but it is not bid’ah, because there is a basis for it, which is the fact that some of the Sahaabah did tasbeeh with pebbles. But the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught that tasbeeh with the fingers is better, as he said, ‘Count with the fingertips, for they will be made to speak.’ Doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is not haraam or bid’ah, but it is better not to do it, because the one who does tasbeeh with the masbahah has shunned something better. Using the masbahah may also be contaminated with some element of showing off, because we see some people carrying masbahahs that contain a thousand beads, as if they are telling people, ‘Look at me, I do a thousand tasbeehs!’ Secondly, those who use the masbahah for tasbeeh are usually absent-minded and not focused, so you see them doing tasbeeh with the beads, but their gaze is wandering all over the place, which indicates that they are not really concentrating. It is better to do tasbeeh with one’s fingers, preferably using the right hand rather than the left, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to count his tasbeeh on his right hand. If a person counts his tasbeeh using both hands, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is better to use the right hand only.”
Shaykh Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani said in Al-Silsilat al-Da’eefah (1/110), where he quotes the (weak) hadeeth “What a good reminder is the subhah [masbahah],”
“In my view, the meaning of this hadeeth is invalid for a number of reasons:
Firstly, the subhah [masbahah] is bid’ah and was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It happened after that, so how could he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) have encouraged his Sahaabah to do something that was unknown to them? The evidence for what I have said is the report narrated by Ibn Waddaah in Al-Bid’ wa’l-Nahy ‘anhaa from al-Salt ibn Bahraam, who said: ‘Ibn Mas’ood passed by a woman who had a [masbahah] with which she was making tasbeeh, and he broke it and threw it aside, then he passed by a man who was making tasbeeh with pebbles, and he kicked him then said, “You think you are better than the Sahaabah, but you are following unjustified bid’ah! You think you have more knowledge than the Companions of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)!”’ Its isnaad is saheeh to al-Salt, who is one of the trustworthy (thiqah) followers of the Taabi’een.
Secondly, it goes against the guidance of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr said, ‘I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) counting the tasbeeh on his right hand.’”
He also said (1/117): “If there is only one bad thing about the masbahah, which it is that it takes the place of the Sunnah of counting on the fingers, even though all are agreed that counting on the fingers is preferable, then that is bad enough. How rarely I see people counting their tasbeeh on their fingers!
Moreover, people have invented so many sophisticated ways of following this bid’ah, so you see the followers of one of the [Sufi] tareeqahs wearing the masbahah around their necks! Or some of them counting with the beads whilst talking or listening to you! Or another one – the like of whom I have not seen for some time – riding his bicycle through a street crowded with people, with the masbahah in one of his hands! They are showing the people that they are not distracted from the remembrance of Allaah for even an instant, but in many cases this bid’ah is a cause of their neglecting what is obligatory (waajib). It has happened many times – to others as well as myself – that when I greet one of these people with salaam, they answer only by waving and not by saying the words of the greeting. The bad results of this bid’ah are innumerable, and no one can say it better than the poet:
‘All goodness is in following that which went before (the salaf)
All badness is in the innovations of those who came later.’”
And Allaah knows best.
_________________________________________
It doesn't matter which opinion you follow, nobody is in disagreement that doing Dhikr with you hand is best, that is what I recommend sis, besides, because you did Dhikr on them, they will speak on your behalf on the Day of Judgement... what could be better? Beads would never be able to do that.
Hey sis, I don't want to in any way stunt your disire to do Dhikr, but what is best is that you use your hands for Dhikr. It's Free, no shipping or order was necessary. Allah gave you your hands, they are the perfect tools for Dhikr to Allah. It's Sunnah and more recommended to do it with your hands anyway...
Here's a question about this topic:
Question:
What is the ruling on using the masbahah (prayer beads)?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Some scholars say that it is permissible to use the masbahah, but they say that it is preferable to do tasbeeh on one’s fingers; others say that it is bid’ah (reprehensible innovation).
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Fataawa (22/187): “Some of them might show off by putting their prayer-mats over their shoulders and carrying their masbahahs in their hands, making them symbols of religion and prayer. It is known from the mutawaatir reports that neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) nor his Companions used these as symbols. They used to recite tasbeeh and count on their fingers, as the hadeeth says: “Count on your fingers, for they will asked, and will be made to speak.” Some of them may count their tasbeeh with pebbles or date stones. Some people say that doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is makrooh, and some allow it, but no one says that tasbeeh with the masbahah is better than tasbeeh with the fingers.” Then he (may Allaah have mercy on him) goes on to discuss the issue of showing off with the masbahah, saying that it is showing off with regard to something that is not prescribed by Islam, which is worse than showing off with regard to something that is prescribed.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (al-Liqa’ al-Maftooh, 3/30) was asked whether using the masbahah for tasbeeh is bid’ah, and his reply was: “It is better not to do tasbeeh with the masbahah, but it is not bid’ah, because there is a basis for it, which is the fact that some of the Sahaabah did tasbeeh with pebbles. But the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught that tasbeeh with the fingers is better, as he said, ‘Count with the fingertips, for they will be made to speak.’ Doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is not haraam or bid’ah, but it is better not to do it, because the one who does tasbeeh with the masbahah has shunned something better. Using the masbahah may also be contaminated with some element of showing off, because we see some people carrying masbahahs that contain a thousand beads, as if they are telling people, ‘Look at me, I do a thousand tasbeehs!’ Secondly, those who use the masbahah for tasbeeh are usually absent-minded and not focused, so you see them doing tasbeeh with the beads, but their gaze is wandering all over the place, which indicates that they are not really concentrating. It is better to do tasbeeh with one’s fingers, preferably using the right hand rather than the left, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to count his tasbeeh on his right hand. If a person counts his tasbeeh using both hands, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is better to use the right hand only.”
Shaykh Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani said in Al-Silsilat al-Da’eefah (1/110), where he quotes the (weak) hadeeth “What a good reminder is the subhah [masbahah],”
“In my view, the meaning of this hadeeth is invalid for a number of reasons:
Firstly, the subhah [masbahah] is bid’ah and was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It happened after that, so how could he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) have encouraged his Sahaabah to do something that was unknown to them? The evidence for what I have said is the report narrated by Ibn Waddaah in Al-Bid’ wa’l-Nahy ‘anhaa from al-Salt ibn Bahraam, who said: ‘Ibn Mas’ood passed by a woman who had a [masbahah] with which she was making tasbeeh, and he broke it and threw it aside, then he passed by a man who was making tasbeeh with pebbles, and he kicked him then said, “You think you are better than the Sahaabah, but you are following unjustified bid’ah! You think you have more knowledge than the Companions of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)!”’ Its isnaad is saheeh to al-Salt, who is one of the trustworthy (thiqah) followers of the Taabi’een.
Secondly, it goes against the guidance of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr said, ‘I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) counting the tasbeeh on his right hand.’”
He also said (1/117): “If there is only one bad thing about the masbahah, which it is that it takes the place of the Sunnah of counting on the fingers, even though all are agreed that counting on the fingers is preferable, then that is bad enough. How rarely I see people counting their tasbeeh on their fingers!
Moreover, people have invented so many sophisticated ways of following this bid’ah, so you see the followers of one of the [Sufi] tareeqahs wearing the masbahah around their necks! Or some of them counting with the beads whilst talking or listening to you! Or another one – the like of whom I have not seen for some time – riding his bicycle through a street crowded with people, with the masbahah in one of his hands! They are showing the people that they are not distracted from the remembrance of Allaah for even an instant, but in many cases this bid’ah is a cause of their neglecting what is obligatory (waajib). It has happened many times – to others as well as myself – that when I greet one of these people with salaam, they answer only by waving and not by saying the words of the greeting. The bad results of this bid’ah are innumerable, and no one can say it better than the poet:
‘All goodness is in following that which went before (the salaf)
All badness is in the innovations of those who came later.’”
And Allaah knows best.
_________________________________________
It doesn't matter which opinion you follow, nobody is in disagreement that doing Dhikr with you hand is best, that is what I recommend sis, besides, because you did Dhikr on them, they will speak on your behalf on the Day of Judgement... what could be better? Beads would never be able to do that.
Globalpeace
Banned
Hanging Dhikr-Beads in the Car!
Asslamo Allaikum,
You go around UK or USA & you see tons of Muslims hanging Dhikr-Beads in the rear-view mirror of their car?
Go to any Masjid & you will see it.
I mean whats up with that? They are obviously not using it; is it a ritual or something that I havn't heard of?
Is that a way of showing "I am a Muslim"...
Hey look ya'all: I have a 30,000 GBP car that I have bought on Interest but Hey I have my Dhikr-Beads; you know?
And what's up with putting stickers of Duas & verses of Qu'raan on/in/around the car?
I am the only one that feels that this stuff is odd...
What happened to the good old fashioned days when read the Qur'aan and didn't hang it about?
What happened to the good old fashioned days when read the dua of travelling and didn't hang it about?
I am gettin old & cranky isn't it...
P.S: A brother hung this Dhikr-beeds in my Mercedes last year when I brought it for Salah...His gift & when I asked why? he said, "Look in the Parking lot, everyone with a Mercedes has Dhikr-beads hanging!
Asslamo Allaikum,
You go around UK or USA & you see tons of Muslims hanging Dhikr-Beads in the rear-view mirror of their car?
Go to any Masjid & you will see it.
I mean whats up with that? They are obviously not using it; is it a ritual or something that I havn't heard of?
Is that a way of showing "I am a Muslim"...
Hey look ya'all: I have a 30,000 GBP car that I have bought on Interest but Hey I have my Dhikr-Beads; you know?
And what's up with putting stickers of Duas & verses of Qu'raan on/in/around the car?
I am the only one that feels that this stuff is odd...
What happened to the good old fashioned days when read the Qur'aan and didn't hang it about?
What happened to the good old fashioned days when read the dua of travelling and didn't hang it about?
I am gettin old & cranky isn't it...
P.S: A brother hung this Dhikr-beeds in my Mercedes last year when I brought it for Salah...His gift & when I asked why? he said, "Look in the Parking lot, everyone with a Mercedes has Dhikr-beads hanging!
TheHumbleWun
Banned
I personally wear the beads around my neck (original huh? lol). It's a good way to differentiate myself from the disbelievers, so when a brother or sister sees me they can easily identify me as a Muslim and we can greet each other "salaamalikum." I also try to wear my kufi other Islamic garmets as much as possible.
The way to differentiate yourself is by following the Sunnah, e.g. the beard, garments above ankles, islamic dress, non-dodgy haircut, etc.
Prayer beads around your neck does not make you look like a muslim in my eyes, a monk maybe.
Umm Aysha
*Strive for Jannah*
Asalaamu Alaykum
Please view link below
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3034
wasalam
Please view link below
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3034
wasalam
TheHumbleWun
Banned
Al-hamdulillah a check on all of those too.
Whether you think I look like a monk with prayers beads around my neck is your personal opinion. Not everyone has the same taste and "style" as you akhi.
walaakum salaam
fathom
Umm Yusuf
assalam alaikom as a revert i consider beads as a ressemblance of christian way like rosary.But i embrace islam because of natural things that ALLAH(s.w.t) created to us and not the one created by human beings and that i worshipped ALLAH (s.w.t) alone with no partners thats why i use my right fingers instead of beads in performing dikhir.
May ALLAH (s.w.t) bless us all.
wa salam
:tti_sister:
May ALLAH (s.w.t) bless us all.
wa salam
:tti_sister:
The differences between.....
:salam2:
I looked at a picture of Dhikr beads and I was shocked....I have 2 sets!...or at least I think I do. I was told they were Malah beads <both sets came from Buddists so...one being my father>.
What is the difference between the two sets of beads?
:salam2:
I looked at a picture of Dhikr beads and I was shocked....I have 2 sets!...or at least I think I do. I was told they were Malah beads <both sets came from Buddists so...one being my father>.
What is the difference between the two sets of beads?
Have no idea. The reason why some Muslims use them is to remember/praise God and keep count of what is said. It has to be done in accordance with the Prophet's (peace be upon him) teachings, e.g. saying 'subhanAllaahi wa bihamdihi' (glory be to God and praise be to Him) 100x a day is sunnah. Some Muslims may not be good at saying this 100 times with their fingers, so they use dhikr beads. Dhikr means 'remembrance'. And the Prophet (peace be upon him) sometimes used date seeds to keep count.
IHearIslam
make dua 4 ma finals
ukhti, be real careful.....such things can lead to shirk and Allaah forbid if one dies in that state.....there is no forgiveness!! so be careful. TRUST Allaah, He is the only one who can safe you from anything harmful-not beads or a Qur'an!!
and when in a line, just use your fingers......lets not deviate from the traditions of our beloved prophet Mohamed Sala'Allaahu alahi wasalam.
using beads as far as I know...is bid'ah. Innovated after the prophet died. There is a thread I made a while ago....ima post it here soon.
IHearIslam
make dua 4 ma finals
Seeker-of-truth
Junior Member
I think this video has little relevance but it is kind of related to this topic I came accross it randomly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQkEOLv0QOk
this man is a very good scholar I think