The Wisdom Behind Not Sitting With Innovators

[TheAuthenticBase]

It is reported from Sufyaan Ath-Thawree – Allaah have mercy on him – that he said:

A person who sits with a heretic (an adherent of bid’ah) will not escape one of three things:

(a) either he will become a trial (fitnah) for others,

(b) or some deviation will occur in his heart and he will slip and be cast into the Fire by Allah,

(c) or he will say to himself, ‘By Allah, I don’t care what they say, I am confident about myself,’ but whoever feels secure from Allah about his religion even for the blinking of an eye, Allah will take his religion away from him.​

[Ibn Waddâh, Al-Bida’ p125]

Source: http://theauthenticbase.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/the-wisdom-behind-not-sitting-with-innovators/

 

[sachin4islam]

Assalamu Alaikum: Br.

This is very true. Many times I visit a friend of mine who adheres to a deviant sect,his utmost pure character and sense of argument against Salafis, puts me in dilemma. But by the grace of Allah (SWT) I escape undeviated from true path of Muhammad (SAW) until next meeting with him,when again he tries to catch me.

Regards.

 

[faaraa]

Jazakallahu Khair for sharing this meaningful note with us..

 

[Idris16]

Bismillâh

Boycotting the innovators were applicable at their time not ours, besides the prophet salAllâhu `Alayhi wasallam told us not to abandon our brother for more than three days.

 

[DanyalSAC]

Bismillâh

Boycotting the innovators were applicable at their time not ours, besides the prophet salAllâhu `Alayhi wasallam told us not to be quiet with our brother for more than three days.

My understanding is that he salallahu alayhi wa salaam told us not to abandon our brother for more than 3 days. That doesn't mean we have to go fishing with him or invite him to dinner. Making du'a for our brother and making dawah for the correct path is also being in contact with him.

That's my understanding, Allahu alim.

 

[Mabsoot]

Assalamu Alaykum,

One must be careful of going into extremes. A person may be a normal Muslim, not a student of knowledge and doing things without knowing the evidences. We do not boycott this person.

We should not be mixing or sitting in the gatherings of those who spread wrong beliefs. That is a way for Shaitan to poison hearts with misguidance. -

In general we return Salams and we give Muslims their rights. That does not mean attending their religious gatherings and such.

Its important to have good character and treat others with kindness. - I remember in the UK there would be some brothers, who after hearing the sayings of some of the Salaf would go around telling people that they pray Allah will guide them or "break their backs". That is not the wisest way to call people to the Quran and Sunnah.

You will find that the most senior of scholars would speak to the people of innovation and even their leaders with uptmost respect. A close brother of mine told me how a story from during the Hajj season many years ago.

During Hajj, some of the scholars would be present and they would occassionally give lectures. After one of these lectures, a man went to Shaykh ibn Baz (Rahimahullah) and started to cry. The man said he used to curse Shaykh ibn Baz (rahimahullah) and that he wanted forgiveness. He said that sitting and listening to the Shaykh's speech, he had realised how much knowledge the Shaykh had, how kind and great a man he was... and how mistaken he had been to think wrong about him. - He had always stayed in the wrong circle of people and thus had learnt many wrong things. This time, during the hajj, he was free from those people and Allah had given him the chance to sit with one of the major scholars of Ahlus Sunnah. - So what a time to repent, what a time to find the correct way. The Shaykh forgave him and even said that he forgives anyone who might say bad thing about him. - Allahu Akbar.

Whenever Shaykh Ibn Baz (rahimahullah), Shaykh Ibn Uthaimeen (rahimahullah), Shaykh Al-Albani (rahimahullah) spoke to other scholars, even those from the people of innovation, they would speak to them with respect. They would not be calling them names or speaking to them harshly. They dealt with the matters with the Quran and the Sunnah, with evidences. This was their science, they had studied and devoted their time and love to Islam and Allah, so the Quran and Sunnah proved or disproved the arguments of the innovators.

Assalamu Alaykum

 

[Idris16]

Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible to forsake a Muslim, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible for a man to forsake his Muslim brother for more than three days, each of them turning away from the other when they meet. The better of them is the one who gives the greeting of salaam first.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5727; Muslim, 2560). This applies especially if the believer is a relative, such as a brother, nephew, uncle or cousin, because in such cases forsaking is an even worse sin.

This applies unless the person is committing a sin and there is an interest to be served by forsaking him, i.e., that it will make him give up the sin. In that case there is nothing wrong with it, because this comes under the heading of removing evil. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand [by taking action]; if he cannot, then with his tongue [by speaking out]; if he cannot then with his heart [by hating it and feeling that it is wrong], and that is the weakest of faith.”

(Narrated by Muslim, 49).

The basic principle is that it is haraam for a Muslim to forsake his fellow-Muslim, unless there is a reason to allow it.

See Fataawa Manaar al-Islam, by Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, vol. 3, p. 732.

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Boycotting the innovators were applicable at their time not ours,

Sorry, I should have told you that I heard about this thing from a lecture by Abu Mussab. According to him, al-Albani said that it wasnt applicable for us to boycott 'normal Muslims' i.e Laymen who might not know much. Because boycotting him makes him happy not sad. I hope the Fatwa of IslamQA help.

EDIT: Is it prescribed to boycott innovators in this day and age?
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/22872/innovator