Debate with a Jihadi: Shaikh al-Albaanee

Ershad

Junior Member
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The discussion starts with al-Jihaad supporter :-

Al-jihad supporter : We have no doubt that you are one of the first of the scholars in the century to call for the return to the understanding of the Salaf. There is no doubt that the issue of jihad is an issue of disagreement among those who follow manhaj as-Salaf assalih. In the issue of jihad, we call the people to fight jihad under two conditions : The first is that is has to be done in pure intention for the sake of Allah. The second that it has to be under the banner of Islam. However we hear from the devout muslim youth other conditions that they narrate from you which we never heard about in hadith, such conditions are Islamic knowledge (or Education and purification - Tasfiyah wa Tarbiyah) and having Khilafa or an Islamic state. These conditions we hear a lot from the brothers who follow manhaj as-Salaf, and I am among those who follow this manhaj insha' Allah. My Question is : do these conditions have any reference in the Sunnah ? or are they only an ijtihad regarding the current situation and\or conditions? and before that do you really call for these conditions?

Al-Albani : first of all, we agreed to discuss this issue with you to find out about your dawa.

Al-jihad supporter : I told you about it.

Al-Albani : Then, explain your dawa. Your questions are premature now, I want to understand what your dawa is for.

Al-jihad supporter : my dawa is clear, to do jihad according to the conditions I mentioned. Intention because the prophet SAW said "whoever fought for the word of Allah to be the higher word is fi sabeel Allah". Under the banner of Islam because the prophet SAW said "whoever fought for the sake of asabiyah supporting one group or fighting another and died, he died the death of jahiliyah."

Al-Albani : OK. Do we need an Amir to do jihad ?

Al-jihad supporter : No.

Al-Albani : so we do jihad in a big disorganized mess ? (Arabic : Fawda)

Al-jihad supporter : No ... but

Al-Albani : Also, your first condition which is the pure intention. This condition in every worship so we are done with it. Your second, under the Islamic banner, do you imagine jihad without an Amir? how can we have an Islamic banner without an Amir for that banner

Al-jihad supporter : We can do jihad in this manner like if a muslim goes to a kafir enemy leader, and kills him.

Al-Albani : But we were talking about the jihad of a group. Jihad under an Islamic banner is it the jihad of one person or the jihad of a group ? Also, a group of Muslims that leave for jihad, do they not need an Amir to lead them ?

Al-jihad supporter : Yes, yes of course. A group of Muslims who travel or leave for jihad need an Amir. and If a group of Muslims of more than 3 leave for Jihad they need an Amir.

Al-Albani : Then why did you not mention this as a condition?

Al-jihad supporter : well, okay, let us make it a third condition.

Al-Albani : Okay for the Fard ayn jihad, do we need a jamaa for it or can it be done as individuals ?

Al-jihad supporter : Either case.

Al-Albani : This is not an answer.

Al-jihad supporter : why is that ?

Al-Albani : We said that jihad is two kinds : Fard Kifayah, which only a small group of Muslims can do, and if a group do it, the rest of the Muslims are not questioned about it. This kind of jihad individuals can do on their own. Fard ayn which ALL the Muslims have to do it in a specific area. To do this kind of jihad, do we not need an Amir to lead the Muslims ?

Al-jihad supporter : yes we need an Amir for this group if it fights or if it doesn't fight.

Al-Albani: Good Good, we return to say Amir to mean a Khalifa of the Muslims.

Al-jihad supporter: no not a khalifa.

Al-Albani : Why? is it dangerous to say khalifa?

Al-jihad supporter : Yes of course, because this means we want to reap the fruit before we plant the trees.

Al-Albani: This is what I see you doing. You say you want an Amir for the whole group of Muslims to lead jihad and at the same time you don't want him to be the khalifa! is this what you want ?

Al-jihad supporter: well, yes.

Al-Albani : !! Okay then where is this Amir? and who is this Amir? and can we have more than one Amir? We are now on the condition we agreed on before, which is that we need an Amir, and you claim that we need an Amir to lead this group jihad without him being the khalifa. Which do we get first, the Amir or the jihad ? this is like asking do we pray before the athan or after. which comes first ?

[after a while of arguing around]

Al-jihad supporter : Okay we do need an Amir for the Fard ayn jihad before we start the jihad.

Al-Albani: Excellent. Then do we call to have an Amir first, or do we call for the jihad first.

Al-jihad supporter : well, both at the same time.

Al-Albani: la hawla wa la quwaata illa billah. We just agreed that we need an Amir for Jihad al-ayn before we start the jihad. The next question is do we call for an Amir First or do we call for the jihad first? This group, all kinds of groups need an Amir. To call for this kind of jihad we do need an Amir first, the Amir will call for the mujahideen and send those here and those there.

Al-jihad supporter : okay what if a group of Muslims read in the Quran about jihad and want to do jihad, so they gather for jihad and then appoint an Amir on them.

Al-Albani: Ya akhi what you are describing is a case of jihad Fard al-Kifayah. For Fard Al-Kifayah it is okay for a small group to gather and go do jihad. For Fard al-ayn we need the whole group of Muslims. How can we have to the whole group of Muslims if we don't have a unified leadership for this kind for jihad? This kind of Amir, I do not see any of the Mujahideen calling for it. Why do you not call for that Amir?

Al-jihad supporter : Okay then let us call for this Amir.

Al-Albani : OK, then what are the characters for this Amir, in your opinion?

Al-jihad supporter : [some characters ]

Al-Albani : and do you see an Amir with these qualities ?

Al-jihad supporter : yes, many.

Al-Albani : where ?

Al-jihad supporter : everywhere.

Al-Albani : We said that we need an Amir for the whole group, i.e. for all the Muslims. How can we have more than one Amir for all the Muslims ?

Al-jihad supporter : ... [arguing around]

Al-Albani : do you know what does the hadith of Huthayfah bin yaman (fa in lam yakun lahom jamaa wa la imam) say about this, does it lead to the conclusion that this jihad needs a khalifa, or otherwise ?

[hadith narrated in bukhari , Kitab al-manaqib, hadith #3338 hadith says When people were asking the prophet about the goodness, i was asking about the evil in fear that it may get to me, so I asked "oh prophet of Allah we were in jahiliyah then Allah brought this goodness, will there be any evil after it?" the prophet said "yes there will", I said "will there be goodness after it?" he said "yes and it has some impurities" i asked "and what are its impurities?" he SAW said " people who guide without my guidance, you know of them and deny." I asked "is there evil after this goodness?" he said "yes, there will be preachers who preach for the doors of hellfire, whoever answers them they throw him into hellfire" so i said "oh prophet of Allah, describe them for us" he SAW said "they are from u and they speak from our language." so i asked "what should I do if i witness that?" the prophet SAW said "stick with the group of Muslims and their leader" i asked "what if they had no leader?" he said "if they had no leader or imam, then leave all these groups even if you had to bite on a tree until your death."]

Al-jihad supporter : what does this hadith have to do with our discussion?

Al-Albani: did Huthayfah not ask the prophet about what to do when there are callers to the doors of hellfire ? the prophet answered that he must stick to the imam of the jamaa, if there is no imam then let him stay away from every jamaa. Do these conditions apply to today? do we not have people who claim to be Muslims yet they are callers to hellfire? is Khilafa not missing ?

Al-jihad supporter : I prefer to to discuss other hadiths, like "there is still a portion of my nation fighting for the right, they do not care whoever disagreed with them or let them down."

Al-Albani : What does this have to do with our discussion? We are not in disagreement about calling for jihad. We are in agreement that jihad is a an obligation (Fard ayn) today, what we disagree on is that do we need a khalifa first or not. What you quoted adds nothing to the argument. We both agree that jihad is a Fard. Do you understand? What we disagree about is the issue of needing a khalifa to start this jihad.

Al-jihad supporter : OK.

Al-Albani : notice that the prophet advised Huthayfah to stick with the imam of the Muslims and their main group. You have that all the conditions in that hadith are true today ..

Al-jihad supporter : true ...

Al-Albani : and the prophet said if the Muslims had no imam or jamaa, to leave all the groups. so what do you do now ?

Al-jihad supporter : well, we try to look for the group of Muslims and find an imam for it.

Al-Albani : this is what we call for! jihad is fard, but right now is not the time for it. We need the imam first and that the prophet ordered you to follow and stick with his group.

Al-jihad supporter : How do we know that we can not do jihad until we get this khalifa that is indeed necessary ?


Al-Albani : the hadith says if the Muslims had no one leader then leave all the groups. And we already said before that the jihad for fard al-ayn has to be done the jamaa led by a leader to all the Muslims, an Amir. If the Muslims had no leader they stay away from ALL groups. How can they do group jihad if they should at the same time stay away from all groups??? you are contradicting what you already agreed on. islamically we have only one banner, one group and one leader. We do need this one group to start the fard al-ayn jihad.

Al-jihad supporter : ...

Al-Albani : now what I want to do is prove to you that this Amir of the fard ayn jihad must be a khalifa, not just an Amir. The dallel is the hadith of Huthayfah again. Sometimes as you know the evidence is clear and sometimes not very, (qati al-dilalah, or thahiri al-dilalah). Let us consider an example of a Shaikh advising his student on the guidelines of this hadith. The student asks his Shaikh what to do to to avoid the evil, the Shaikh says stick with the imam of the Muslims. The student answers that the Muslims have no khalifa, so the Shaikh advises him to stay away from all the groups. This student is obedient to his Shaikh and this Shaikh that is following his prophet. what would this student do? he would go ahead living his life in a valley looking after his sheep or whatever, worshiping Allah. Where is jihad? if it was a wajib on this muslim to fight then the Shaikh would tell him to fight, and not to stay away from every group. is there a jihad here? as long as there is no imam then there is no jihad. This evidence is Qati al-Dilalah. Jihaad must be in the supervision of an Imam, or khalifa. But let me tell you about some thing that troubles many of the students of knowledge, that there are many groups that fight like the afghan or those in Syria a decade or more ago. Those people, if they want to fight they must be under the leadership of one Amir, that doesn't mean that Syrians fight in Afghanistan and afghanis in Syria, no. It means that both fighting groups must be under the supervision on one Imam and one khalifa. If there was no one imam and no one jamaa (not in the meaning of two fighting groups, but in the meaning of one group in their unity of leadership, but could be more than one group of fighters each fighting in a part of the Islamic world), both groups would be operating on their own.

To do this fard ayn jihad, the wajib of the Muslims is unity, the unity needs a khalifa. To establish this thing we must start with education and purification (Tasfiyah wa Tarbiyah). We can not start with jihad right now.

You say that there are many groups for jihad, yet all these groups are in disagreement and as Allah said in Quran "wa la tanazao fa tafshalu wa thahaba reeokum". We are today many like the flowing of the river, what you want to do is give legitimacy to these ghutha' groups.

Al-jihad supporter: okay then how does this education and purification (Tasfiyah wa Tarbiyah) lead to khilafa?

Al-Albani : History repeats itself. everybody claims that the prophet is their role model. Our prophet SAW spent the first half of his message in making dawa, and he started with it not with jihad. The prophet first raised his companions Islamic education like he educated them to say the word of truth and not be afraid of it, he also taught them the Islamic teachings. We know that our Islam today is not like it was when Allah revealed "today I have completed your religion", many things have indeed been added to Islam, do you not agree?

Al-jihad supporter: Yes I fully agree. but there are many Quranic proofs that jihad is an important obligation!

Al-Albani : I do not deny that, but ya akhi the question is "where do we start from?" My dawa is : to do this jihad we need an Amir, to get this Amir we must work on the Tasfiyah and Tarbiyah. think about this on your own, by considering the hadith of Huthayfah which do we need first jihad or the Amir ?

Al-jihad supporter : has anyone before called for Tasfiyah and Tarbiyah before jihad ?

Al-Albani : May Allah be merciful with you. Tell me when did the Muslims not have a unified khalifa?

Al-jihad supporter: What about the time of Ali and Muawiyah?

Al-Albani : You mean you have a doubt that Ali was right, and that Muawiyah was wrong?

Al-jihad supporter: No ... but

Al-Albani : no "but"s. How many khulafa' were there?

[after a while of discussion]

Al-jihad supporter : OK, OK, one.

A listener : To be frank my Shaikh, this discussion is going nowhere : if one does not make his intention and mind pure he will never understand.

Al-Albani : This is indeed a good advice. We live in an age where one of the fatal characters is spread, which is everyone liking his own opinion. Today everybody who reads a bit of Quran or learns a bit of Akam and Hadeeths, he thinks he is something in ilm although he can not read the hadiths without errors, and then he wants to argue everything he sees ...

Al-jihad supporter .. trying to interrupt ...

Al-Albani : the time for discussion is over. I will take the advice of the brother. My advice to the students of knowledge is not proceed to preach to the people something that may lead them to great misguidence (Dalal). He should check with the people of knowledge before he jumps to conclusion. It is one of the disasters of the muslim youth today to quickly adopt opinions without looking into the opinions of the Salaf and khalaf regards these issues. I advise Muslims to research this especially in the issues that concern the group such as jihad. Jihaad is, without doubt the the pride of Islam and of the basis of Islam (arkan) and the verses and hadiths regards this are known to everybody insha' Allah. But this jihad has its conditions and introductions. From its basic conditions that the group that does it must be in agreement to return to Quran and Sunnah in their rulings (akham). This in fact needs a great time of education, purification and of scholars and preachers, like the prophet educated his companions. We notice that Mujahids call for whatever of the Muslims to join in the fight, and when they go to fight they find disagreement among themselves in matters of their faith and the basics of Islam. How do these people get ready to go for Jihad when they are yet to understand what is obligatory on them of Aqeedah ??!! This my brother, leads us to understand that Jihaad is not to be discussed, but we must discuss its introductions. The first introduction is, as we attest before Allah, the khalifa. Because if the amirs exist today and the bond I talked about (common understanding of Islam) does not exist among them then they will turn against one another and fight each other. They must be all for one methodology and one understanding. I therefore advise every muslim to work by the hadeeth of Ibn al-yaman, leave all the groups and stay by yourself. And this is not to mean to live in isolation, no it means not to join one or another group. You can do yourself and all the Muslims good with your knowledge. This is a reminder and the reminder benefits the believers.

Source: http://salafipublications.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=IBD17&articleID=IBD170004&articlePages=1
 

Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
Asalamo'Alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

JazaakAllahu khayraa brother. I have a bit of confusion, I heard a couple of video clips where Shaykh Albaani was asking the Muslims all over the world to join the Afghan Jihad against Russia. He argued that when Muslims are under attack from foreign invadors they need no leader to fight the invadors. It's fardh for all to fight and for all to help. Is that Fardh al Kafiyah then? Something that is fardh on only a group.

What I want to know is, this fardh al ayn, is it the Jihad that the whole Ummah will take part in against the Non believers? Does this discussion include the wars or jihad or whatever like those in Palestine, Afghanistan, Kashmir Iraq or let's say that between India and Pakistan.

Extending the same, can't we say that those who fight the foreigners in Afghanistan even today and those who aid them are doing what's fardh?

I remember having heard (the audio/video I reffered to) on Youtube, shortly after OBL's death.
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Asalamo'Alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

JazaakAllahu khayraa brother. I have a bit of confusion, I heard a couple of video clips where Shaykh Albaani was asking the Muslims all over the world to join the Afghan Jihad against Russia. He argued that when Muslims are under attack from foreign invadors they need no leader to fight the invadors. It's fardh for all to fight and for all to help. Is that Fardh al Kafiyah then? Something that is fardh on only a group.

Assalamu alaikkum warahamatullahi wa barakatuhu,

Sister. I understand your confusion. I am not very confidant as well. But, I believe that I have understood the reasoning that the scholars gave.
Here is what I know but I would be glad if someone else more knowledgeable than me could substantiate it.
Fard al-ayn means a personal obligatory religious duty, like the 5 times salah. Fard al-kifayah is a communal obligation for example, the salah of janazah.

For, Jihad which is fard al-ayn (the offensive one that you said) we need the whole ummah to be together to take part. Today, there is a requirement for fard al-ayn now but the conditions are not met. For fard al-ayn, we need one unified Ummah with an ameer. And we are no where near that condition.

However, in Afghan and Palestine, I reckon they are fighting to defend their land and defending their lives. In this case, you don't need a ruler. For fard kifayah Jihaad it is okay for a small group to gather and perform Jihaad.

I have these conclusions derived from Sheikh Al-Albani's speeches. Especially from this fatwa -http://abdurrahman.org/jihad/albanifatwajihad.html

and I think you referred to this video.

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and also, I verified with the fatwa of Sheikh Saleh al-Fawzan regarding it -

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I know it doesn't answer your question completely but I hope it eases the confusion.

Edit: I think this fatwa clears his standpoint on doing defensive Jihad :

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Idris16

Junior Member
Bismillaah

Error, error and errors.... those who say we must have an Amir for Jihad Fard al-ayn, where are their proofs? Where from the four Imams or Mad-habs? Here are old IslamQA fatwas regarding this on a video:

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saifkhan

abd-Allah
as salam 'alaykum warahamtu-llah

the bottom line is

if Jihad is fardh al kifayyah, we don't need a leader and people may gather and get into fight, of course according to the Manhaj of Prophet salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam and his companions, may Allah pleased with them.

if the Jihad is Fardh al 'ayn, we need a leader, and eveyone needs to join.

for fardh Al kifayyah, every single person will not be questioned, if they are not attending, but for fardh al 'ayn every single person will be questioned.

of course anyone can join the fardh al kiffayah jihad, under some conditions, it is all about feeling towards pur muslim brother, to defend them, their rights , lands etc for the sake of Allah, and of course the reward is greatest one.

okay

but we can not just wait for the khalifah to come and sit at home, any way but have to enjoin them, there are lots of ways to help the jihad.
One group will fight, one group will help financially, one group with serve food or medicine, one group will write about them and write against the oppression.

who will become the leader i don't see any so far, does it mean we have to sit home and wait for a leader to come?

if Allah wants He can make you shaheed even you being in your home.

but the fact is, todays situation is more towards the high time or peak time, Allahu a'lam
and our Ummah is like captainless ship in a stormy night in sea.


insha Allah one leader will be coming soon and get us rid of the injustice, oppression, abomination, humiliation, and help us to attain peace, honor, dignity and establish the rules of Allah in the face of the Earth.


but the problem is not the fatwah, not the debate, not the issue of Jihad, not disputes, the fact is, we've forgot the reward of jihad, we've forgot the honor of jihad , we have forgot the dignity of jihad.

the mother is no more proud of her son, nor even allowing
the muslims is no more conscious about the Ummah
the leaders are false and power seeker/lover.

because we all fall in the love of the Dunya. to decorate our dunya, like the kuffar, as if the dunya is all our goal, I'm not blaming the kuffar for that, we should blame us.

we love the dunya and we have nithing in the account of akhirah, thats why we are tend to bend our back towards jihad, because if we die, afterwards there is nothing, if the death is not for the sake of Allah. thats why fear death and we fear jihad.

it is not about blaming scholars or looking for fatwah, or something else.


Allahu a'lam

wassalamun 'alaika
 

Idris16

Junior Member
if Jihad is fardh al kifayyah, we don't need a leader and people may gather and get into fight, of course according to the Manhaj of Prophet salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam and his companions, may Allah pleased with them.

if the Jihad is Fardh al 'ayn, we need a leader, and eveyone needs to join.
wa alaykum salam warahmatullah wabarakatuh
You probably meant the opposite.
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
wa alaykum salam warahmatullah wabarakatuh
You probably meant the opposite.

I meant about Khalifah actually

however, there are plenty of stories, that even without the khalifa's order muslims fought, so without Khalifah we can fight.

of course in broader prospect, the scenario changes and it may seem tough.

of course there are conditions, there are sequence, which we don't know

and scholars made their ijtihad with all those knowledge, bast to their knowldge

what i tried to say, we can not just sit for someone to come.
we should help to the best of our ability if possible to join them.

and continuously pray to Allah to show us the correct path, sahih manhaj, right group and jamaa'

wa-llahu ta'la a'lam
wassalam
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
as salam 'alaykum

by the way the whole interview is posted like, Sheikh nasiruddin al albanee rahimallah is against jihad and jihad is not part of our deen.

and the debate was about, do we need a Amir or Khalifa for jihad, fardh al 'ayn or not.

but the Jihad is obligation now and always, because the obligation doesn't come with any condition, but the conditions are made according to the Obligations, i hope it makes sense

wa-llahu a'lam

wassalam
 

Ershad

Junior Member
as salam 'alaykum

by the way the whole interview is posted like, Sheikh nasiruddin al albanee rahimallah is against jihad and jihad is not part of our deen.

and the debate was about, do we need a Amir or Khalifa for jihad, fardh al 'ayn or not.

but the Jihad is obligation now and always, because the obligation doesn't come with any condition, but the conditions are made according to the Obligations, i hope it makes sense

wa-llahu a'lam

wassalam

Walaikkum Assalam dear brother,

No one is against Jihad. Jihad is indeed part of deen. Jihad is an obligation. I have already mentioned in my previous post that today there is a requirement for Jihad. The question is if we need an amir or not..
for executing Jihad Fard al-ayn. And I am just analyzing the fatwas of different scholars. It is really sensitive issue and very difficult to formulate an opinion on this.
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
Walaikkum Assalam dear brother,

No one is against Jihad. Jihad is indeed part of deen. Jihad is an obligation. I have already mentioned in my previous post that today there is a requirement for Jihad. The question is if we need an amir or not..
for executing Jihad Fard al-ayn. And I am just analyzing the fatwas of different scholars. It is really sensitive issue and very difficult to formulate an opinion on this.

as salam 'alaykum

yes brother i know, by the post i didnt mean your post, i meant the whole post, from where you got it, it seems so.

I know brother, i read your valuable posts alwayas, I hope you didnt get me wrong.

Allah subhanahu wa ta'la needs our sincerity, our dedication to die for His sake only,no matter what goes here and there, who says do this or that, as i said, obligation is there, circumstances has be to set like that.

we should pray, anyhow if Allah can help us to attain the honor of participating in jihad and to have the dignity of Ghazi and shaheed. because to get into the battle field, to get the correct way is great niyamah.


I know brother, I'm not saying someone or you are trying to escape, all we are worried about, so that we don't choose a incorrect jamaa to join, improper manhaj

i hope you got me now by brother

barakAllahu feekum
wassalam
 

Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
Assalamu alaikkum warahamatullahi wa barakatuhu,

For, Jihad which is fard al-ayn (the offensive one that you said) we need the whole ummah to be together to take part. Today, there is a requirement for fard al-ayn now but the conditions are not met. For fard al-ayn, we need one unified Ummah with an ameer. And we are no where near that condition.

Wa 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh,

And here they are discussing fard al-ayn, am I correct?

I'll listen to Sheikh Saleh Al Fawzan's video later.

JazaakAllaahu Khayraa.
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikkum,

For people who say there is no requirement of Amir for Jihad, please let me know what is your opinion on these fatwas -

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Idris16

Junior Member
Jihad without a Ruler

Hanafi Fiqh

Ibn Aabidin said: "Jihad becomes Fard Ayn if the enemy attacks one of the borders of the Muslims, and it becomes Fard Ayn upon those close by. For those who are far away, it is Fard Kifaya, if their assistance is not required. If they are needed, perhaps because those nearby the attack cannot resist the enemy, or are indolent and do not fight jihad, then it becomes Fard Ayn upon those behind them, like the obligation to pray and fast. There is no room for them to leave it. If they too are unable, then it becomes Fard Ayn upon those behind them, and so on in the same manner until the jihad becomes Fard Ayn upon the whole Ummah of Islam from the East to the West".

And the following have like Fatawa: Al Kassani, Ibn Najim and Ibn Hammam.

Source:
Hashiyat Ibn Aabidin 3/238.
Bida'y as Sanaiy 7/72.
Al Bahr ar Raa'iq by Ibn Najim 5/191.
Fath al Qadir by Ibn Hammam 5/191.​

Maliki Fiqh

In Hashiyat ad Dussuqi it is stated: Jihad becomes Fard Ayn upon a surprise attack by the enemy. Dussuqi said: "Wherever this happens, jihad immediately becomes Fard Ayn upon everybody, even women, slaves and children, and they march out even if their guardians, husbands and creditors forbid them to." Hashiyat ad Dussuqi 2/174.

Shaffie Fiqh

In the Nihayat al Mahtaj by Ramli: "If they approach one of our lands and the
distance between them and us becomes less than the distance permitting the shortening of prayers, then the people of that territory must defend it and it becomes Fard Ayn even upon the people for whom there is usually no jihad; the poor, the children, the slaves, the
debtor and the women
." Nihayat al Mahtaj 8/58.

Hanbali Fiqh

In Al Mughni by Ibn al Qadamah: "Jihad becomes Fard Ayn in three situations:
1) If the two sides meet in battle and they approach each other.
2) If the Kuffar enter a land, jihad becomes Fard Ayn upon its people.
3) If the Imam calls a people to march forward it is obligatory upon them to
march forward." Al Mughni 8/354.

And Ibn Taymia remarked: "If the enemy enters a Muslim land, there is no doubt that it is obligatory for the closest and then the next closest to repel him, because the Muslim lands are like one land. It is obligatory to march to the territory even without the permission of parents or creditor, and narrations reported by Ahmad are clear on this." Al Fatawa al Kubra 4/608.

This situation is known as the General March.
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Hanafi Fiqh

Ibn Aabidin said: "Jihad becomes Fard Ayn if the enemy attacks one of the borders of the Muslims, and it becomes Fard Ayn upon those close by. For those who are far away, it is Fard Kifaya, if their assistance is not required. If they are needed, perhaps because those nearby the attack cannot resist the enemy, or are indolent and do not fight jihad, then it becomes Fard Ayn upon those behind them, like the obligation to pray and fast. There is no room for them to leave it. If they too are unable, then it becomes Fard Ayn upon those behind them, and so on in the same manner until the jihad becomes Fard Ayn upon the whole Ummah of Islam from the East to the West".

And the following have like Fatawa: Al Kassani, Ibn Najim and Ibn Hammam.

Source:
Hashiyat Ibn Aabidin 3/238.
Bida'y as Sanaiy 7/72.
Al Bahr ar Raa'iq by Ibn Najim 5/191.
Fath al Qadir by Ibn Hammam 5/191.​

Maliki Fiqh

In Hashiyat ad Dussuqi it is stated: Jihad becomes Fard Ayn upon a surprise attack by the enemy. Dussuqi said: "Wherever this happens, jihad immediately becomes Fard Ayn upon everybody, even women, slaves and children, and they march out even if their guardians, husbands and creditors forbid them to." Hashiyat ad Dussuqi 2/174.

Shaffie Fiqh

In the Nihayat al Mahtaj by Ramli: "If they approach one of our lands and the
distance between them and us becomes less than the distance permitting the shortening of prayers, then the people of that territory must defend it and it becomes Fard Ayn even upon the people for whom there is usually no jihad; the poor, the children, the slaves, the
debtor and the women
." Nihayat al Mahtaj 8/58.

Hanbali Fiqh

In Al Mughni by Ibn al Qadamah: "Jihad becomes Fard Ayn in three situations:
1) If the two sides meet in battle and they approach each other.
2) If the Kuffar enter a land, jihad becomes Fard Ayn upon its people.
3) If the Imam calls a people to march forward it is obligatory upon them to
march forward." Al Mughni 8/354.

And Ibn Taymia remarked: "If the enemy enters a Muslim land, there is no doubt that it is obligatory for the closest and then the next closest to repel him, because the Muslim lands are like one land. It is obligatory to march to the territory even without the permission of parents or creditor, and narrations reported by Ahmad are clear on this." Al Fatawa al Kubra 4/608.

This situation is known as the General March.

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Jazakallahu khairan brother for the fatwa. This is the "defensive Jihad" and all the scholars and also, I agree that this doesn't need the permission of a ruler. The one in question is the offensive Jihad. The one against the disbelievers, not when they occupy our land or oppress us, but to remove fitnah in the world. It should be done with a muslim ruler. Or not?
 

Idris16

Junior Member
:salam2:

Jazakallahu khairan brother for the fatwa. This is the "defensive Jihad" and all the scholars and also, I agree that this doesn't need the permission of a ruler. The one in question is the offensive Jihad. The one against the disbelievers, not when they occupy our land or oppress us, but to remove fitnah in the world. It should be done with a muslim ruler. Or not?
:wasalam:
So whats up with the videos you are posting then? We are discussing about the Defensive one. See this quote;

Al-Albani: We said that jihad is two kinds : Fard Kifayah, which only a small group of Muslims can do, and if a group do it, the rest of the Muslims are not questioned about it. This kind of jihad individuals can do on their own. Fard ayn which ALL the Muslims have to do it in a specific area. To do this kind of jihad, do we not need an Amir to lead the Muslims?

Al-jihad supporter: yes we need an Amir for this group if it fights or if it doesn't fight.

Al-Albani: Good Good, we return to say Amir to mean a Khalifa of the Muslims.
Seeing from this discussion... it is clear they believe we need amir during Fard ayn. And the Jihad becomes fard ayn if the kuffar attack Muslims. So why they say we need an Amir?
 

Ershad

Junior Member
:wasalam:
So whats up with the videos you are posting then? We are discussing about the Defensive one. See this quote;


Seeing from this discussion... it is clear they believe we need amir during Fard ayn. And the Jihad becomes fard ayn if the kuffar attack Muslims. So why they say we need an Amir?


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If you see the videos, it definitely say we don't need an amir for defensive Jihad. That is what all scholars are agreed upon.

Also, regarding if kuffar attack Muslims and in fact, even if it is another muslim country attacking the muslims, the Jihad becomes fard al ayn to the group of people living there to defend themselves.

For all this they don't need an amir. All the scholars agree to that. If you see the statements before the ones you made bold, "Fard Kifayah, which only a small group of Muslims can do, and if a group do it, the rest of the Muslims are not questioned about it. This kind of jihad individuals can do on their own."

Also later, the Shaykh says,

Al-Albani: Ya akhi what you are describing is a case of jihad Fard al-Kifayah. For Fard Al-Kifayah it is okay for a small group to gather and go do jihad.


But, I agree with you - that particular statement made my Shaikh could be a mistake.
 
Either Mr. Al-Albani can give the reference in the Hadith about the need for a Khalifa before the faithful (Momineen) Muslims can answer to the call to resist oppression and defend themselves as the Quran clearly calls for, or he can't and can only give his expert opinion. An expert opinion is still just an opinion, in Islam facts based on references from Hadith and the Quran outweigh opinion, for the Quran and the Hadith complete our religion, as it says in the Quran, unless Mr. Al-Albani can produce a reference in the Hadith that says that we must still refer to scholars of Islam to decide matters of faith for the Ummah. If such were true it would be a Papacy, and with it would go the corruptibility that has afflicted the Papacy and all other theocratic forms of governance that rely on a spiritual authority to rule according to personal opinion rather than the solid foundation of scripture (Quran) and the wisdom of the Prophet (Hadith).

The fact of the matter is that such scholars, have famously bended to the will of the rulers of the land, in Mr. Al-Albani's case, bending to the will of the Saudi monarchy which is friends with the one country which has single-handedly killed more innocent Muslims than all the casualties of all past conflicts combined. Of course for practical purposes and in accordance with the Hadith it is important to have an Amir to coordinate the resistance to such an assault on the Muslim homelands, so that the fighting is not disorganized. However according to international law and historical precedents recognized and accepted by international bodies such as the United Nations, it is the right of every living being anywhere to defend itself against direct oppression and invasion without seeking permission. Scholars like Mr. Al-Albani condone small-scale groups (which is equivalent to terrorism), while casually dismissing large ones by making the requirement for a Khalifa, which the allies of his beloved Saudi king, the United States, is actively seeking to destroy before it even comes into fruition, by actively engaging on many fronts in a war against the Muslim world under false pretexts, false pretexts proven to be false by their own intelligence agencies and the respected intelligence agencies of other countries, such as Germany and Italy.

22:38
Yusuf Ali
Verily God will defend (from ill) those who believe: verily, God loveth not any that is a traitor to faith, or show ingratitude.

22:39
Yusuf Ali
To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, God is most powerful for their aid;-

22:40
Yusuf Ali
(They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is God". Did not God check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of God is commemorated in abundant measure. God will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily God is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Either Mr. Al-Albani can give the reference in the Hadith about the need for a Khalifa before the faithful (Momineen) Muslims can answer to the call to resist oppression and defend themselves as the Quran clearly calls for, or he can't and can only give his expert opinion. An expert opinion is still just an opinion, in Islam facts based on references from Hadith and the Quran outweigh opinion, for the Quran and the Hadith complete our religion, as it says in the Quran, unless Mr. Al-Albani can produce a reference in the Hadith that says that we must still refer to scholars of Islam to decide matters of faith for the Ummah. If such were true it would be a Papacy, and with it would go the corruptibility that has afflicted the Papacy and all other theocratic forms of governance that rely on a spiritual authority to rule according to personal opinion rather than the solid foundation of scripture (Quran) and the wisdom of the Prophet (Hadith).

The fact of the matter is that such scholars, have famously bended to the will of the rulers of the land, in Mr. Al-Albani's case, bending to the will of the Saudi monarchy which is friends with the one country which has single-handedly killed more innocent Muslims than all the casualties of all past conflicts combined. Of course for practical purposes and in accordance with the Hadith it is important to have an Amir to coordinate the resistance to such an assault on the Muslim homelands, so that the fighting is not disorganized. However according to international law and historical precedents recognized and accepted by international bodies such as the United Nations, it is the right of every living being anywhere to defend itself against direct oppression and invasion without seeking permission. Scholars like Mr. Al-Albani condone small-scale groups (which is equivalent to terrorism), while casually dismissing large ones by making the requirement for a Khalifa, which the allies of his beloved Saudi king, the United States, is actively seeking to destroy before it even comes into fruition, by actively engaging on many fronts in a war against the Muslim world under false pretexts, false pretexts proven to be false by their own intelligence agencies and the respected intelligence agencies of other countries, such as Germany and Italy.

22:38
Yusuf Ali
Verily God will defend (from ill) those who believe: verily, God loveth not any that is a traitor to faith, or show ingratitude.

22:39
Yusuf Ali
To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, God is most powerful for their aid;-

22:40
Yusuf Ali
(They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is God". Did not God check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of God is commemorated in abundant measure. God will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily God is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).

:salam2:

Brother, we are supposed to follow the scholars. Not one scholar, but all of them. They are upon the manhaj of the salafiyyah. Allah asks us to listen, learn and follow the people of knowledge. Scholars might make mistakes at times and then we take from other scholars.

They are not Ulema for just one country but they are Ulema for the world. So they have to decide matters of faith.
 
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