Global Effort Towards Khilafah

Abd_Al_Hadi

لبيك يا الله
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MashaAllah! My brothers of Hizb ut Tahrir have my full support! Lets strengthen this movement that pleases Allah and dignifies our Imaan!!!!


Please pass this around
 

Aisya al-Humaira

الحمدلله على كل حال
Assalamua`alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Islaamic movements such as Hizb Ut-Tahreer, Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen etc are not upon the way of the salaaf when building a caliphate in their views include violence, demonstrations on the streets, waging war against the Muslim leader instead of teaching and da`wah the Muslims towards understanding the Qur`an, spreading the Sunnah and remove bid`ah.

Their intention and effort might be seen as "good" but it is not within the correct method.

Read the biography of Imaam Ahmad. The Imaams of the Salaf who were imprisoned, tortured, killed but they did not rebel against a ruler so long that he is still considered a Muslim.

[Let's not turn this thread into another debate but rather an educational one]

:wasalam:
 

Abd_Al_Hadi

لبيك يا الله
No, sister. The Muslim youth already fear Allah and know their Quran. That is why they are motivated to rebuild the Ummah.

Muslim leaders? Lets see what Allah has to say about them in Surah 5, verse 51:

"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Name me one ruler who takes NOT the Jews or the Christians as friends?
 

Aisya al-Humaira

الحمدلله على كل حال
To say that there is one established khalifah in this world at the moment, then that's not true. To answer your question, there is none, as far as I know. However, so long that the ruler is still a Muslim, still pray to Allaah then we are not to go against them.

I'm not the best person to explain on this topic as I'm lacking in words, sadly. I don't wish to put a complicated sentence and misguide people.

I would advice you to dig in the Important Islaamic articles forum and read the abundant threads there. The life of the Salaf. The rulings of rebelling towards a Muslim leader. About the deviant sects.

If I may ask, are you aware of how Hiz Ut-Tahrir moves? What are their objectives and their methodology? Have you ever been involved with them?
 

Abd_Al_Hadi

لبيك يا الله
Its nothing more than a group of Muslims who are peacefully trying to unite every brother and sister and rebuild the Ummah. No hidden agendas. We condemn violence. All we want is a leadership that bows down only to Allah. We want Sharia once again to have dominion over Muslim lands.

I don't see how that can be dangerous for Islam. I don't know why you're bringing Salafi into this, dear sister. I'm a Sunni, not a Salafi...
 

Aisya al-Humaira

الحمدلله على كل حال
Bismillaahi rahmaani al-raheem.

Ruling on political parties
The first, second, and third questions of Fatwa no. 1674

Q 1: What is the ruling on political and religious parties, such as the Hizb-ul-Tahrir (Liberation Party) and the Ikhwan-ul-Muslimin (the Muslim Brotherhood)?

A:
It is not permissible for Muslims to divide into separate religious groups and parties, with members cursing and fighting each other. Allah not only forbids such factionalism, but censures those who introduce or follow them and threatens them with grievous punishment. Both Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) renounced this practice. Allah (Exalted be He) says: And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur’ân), and be not divided among yourselves And Allah (Exalted be He) also says: And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment. He (Exalted be He) also says: Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do. Whoever brings a good deed (Islâmic Monotheism and deeds of obedience to Allâh and His Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم) shall have ten times the like thereof to his credit, and whoever brings an evil deed (polytheism, disbelief, hypocrisy, and deeds of disobedience to Allâh and His Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم) shall have only the recompense of the like thereof, and they will not be wronged.
(Part No. 2; Page No. 211)

It is authentically reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, Do not become Kafirs (disbelievers) after me, striking the necks (cutting the throats) of each other. There are many Ayahs and Hadith that condemn factionalism in the Din (religious).

Complete fatwa: http://www.alifta.com/Search/Result...&searchkeyword=104105122098#firstKeyWordFound

Its nothing more than a group of Muslims who are peacefully trying to unite every brother and sister and rebuild the Ummah. No hidden agendas. We condemn violence. All we want is a leadership that bows down only to Allah. We want Sharia once again to have dominion over Muslim lands.

I don't see how that can be dangerous for Islam.

It is dangerous when the movement itself is not upon the correct aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaah. There might not be a hidden agenda but their *main* and ONLY agenda is to establish a Khalifah. Yes, every sane Muslims would want a Khalifah that we can give our oath and allegiance to BUT it is not merely via a political movement that an Islaamic Khalifah can be built. Do the movement emphasize on the importance to learn and understand the Qur`an wa ahadeeth, correcting the aqeedah of the people who have deviated, making a clear distinction between what is Sunnah and pure culture or bid`ah? Until all that is being fought for, then establishing a Khalifah is just a dream.

It is only when the Muslims people are understanding tawheed in accordance to the understanding of the pious predecessors, upholding the Qur`an and Sunnah in every aspect of their life, learning, spreading and practicing what our Prophet Muhammad salallallahu alayhi was-salaam has taught us; THEN only Muslims will become united, thus a Khilaafah Islamiyaah won't just become a dream.

I don't know why you're bringing Salafi into this, dear sister. I'm a Sunni, not a Salafi...

I hope you know that all Salafis are Sunnis. Brother, what do you understand a Salafi is?

THE GRAVE MISTAKE OF HIZB UT TAHRIR:

It is thus clear, that the Salaf and those who followed them were agreed that the Punishment in the Grave will definitely occur (for the disbelievers and some of the sinful ones from amongst the Muslims) and that it is obligatory to have eemaan in it, and to consider it as part of the Islaamic ’aqeedah - and no one whose saying is taken account of opposes them in that.

However, the founder of the modernist party Hizbut-Tahreer, like the Mu’tazilah before, also denied ’aqeedah in the Punishment of the Grave, explaining his position by saying:

‘‘Indeed from them (the aahaad ahaadeeth) are those which require an action, so it is acted upon. So from Aboo Hurayrah who said: The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said: ‘‘When any of you finishes the last tashahhud, he should seek refuge in Allaah from four things: from the Punishment of the Hellfire, from the Punishment of the Grave, from the trials of life and death, and from the evil trials of the Dajjaal.’’ And from ’Aa‘ishah: from the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), that he used to make supplication in the Prayer saying: ‘‘O Allaah! I seek refuge in You from the Punishment of the Grave, I seek refuge in You from the trials of the Maseehud-Dajjaal, I seek refuge in You from the trials of life and death. O Allaah! I seek refuge in You from debt and sin.’’ So these two ahaadeeth are aahaad narrations, and they contain the requirement of an action, i.e. to carry out this supplication after finishing the tashahhud. So it is recommended to make this supplication after finishing the tashahhud, and it is permissible to make tasdeeq (attest) of what is contained in them. However, what is haraam (prohibited) is to hold it with certainty - meaning: to have it as part of ones ’aqeedah - as long as it has only been reported in the aahaad hadeeth, a dhannee (non-mutawaatir) proof. However, if it occurs in mutawaatir form, then it is obligatory to make it part of ones ’aqeedah.’’ [34]

Read more on here:
Hizbut-Tahreer

and here:
Question about hizbu tahrir?


There exist hundreds of political movements in the name of Islaam out there, fighting against the ruler with the goal to establish a Khilafah. Again, as I've mentioned earlier, they are not upon the correct manhaj of ahlul Sunnah wal Jama`ah. They have flaws in their understanding of aqeedah. They prioritize more on political movement rather than tawheed or learning the deen.

However, if one is going to ask: If every Muslim just study and spread the deen, how can a khalifah be establish?

The fatwa that I quoted above from Lajnah Dai`mah sums it all:

There is no harm, however, if the Muslim ruler organizes the Muslims and apportions activities to them to enable him to manage the duties he is responsible for, in terms of both the religious and worldly affairs of the Muslim community. In fact it is obligatory on every Muslim ruler to appoint people to different positions to carry out the various matters related to daily life and the Din (religion). So he may appoint a group to work in the field of the science of Hadith, its transmission, recording and differentiating between the Sahih (authentic) and Da`if (weak) narrations, etc. He may also appoint another group to understand, record, and teach the texts of the Hadith, and a third group may be appointed to understand the grammar, vocabulary, and expressions used in the Arabic language, and to reveal its secrets. A fourth group may also be trained for Jihad (fighting in the Cause of Allah), defending the Muslim lands, achieving Islamic conquests, and overcoming the obstacles to the dissemination of Islam. A fifth group may be appointed in industrial and agricultural production, and trade, and so on.

These are considered to be the necessities of life, without which no nation can survive. Islam will only be protected and disseminated in this way; by everyone holding fast onto the Qur'an and the guidance of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), his Rightly-Guided Caliphs, and the Salaf (righteous predecessors). Muslim groups should all unite with one goal, to co-operate for the success of Islam, to defend its frontiers, and effect all means that will lead to a happy and easy life. They should all gather under the banner of Islam; following Allah's Straight Path and avoiding the paths of misguided and doomed sects. Allah (Exalted be He) says: "And verily, this (i.e. Allâh’s Commandments mentioned in the above two Verses 151 and 152) is My Straight Path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His Path. This He has ordained for you that you may become Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2)."

Brother, I wrote and shared this piece of important information, as someone who used to be heavily involved with that one political movement. I do not feel I've gained knowledge of the deen or felt closer to Allaah by joining it. It is MERELY just politics, politics, politics. I witnessed it first hand of their many flaws.

So as an advice, stay away from such parties/movements and start following the path that our pious predecessors has walked, start following the three best generations as per the hadeeth and inshaa Allaah, Allaah will guide us to the straight path, Ameen.

Please do take the time to read everything that's being posted. We are here to seek and find the truth and adhere to it, nothing else than that.

Wa`alaykum as-salaam.
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Bismillaahi rahmaani al-raheem.



Complete fatwa: http://www.alifta.com/Search/Result...&searchkeyword=104105122098#firstKeyWordFound





It is dangerous when the movement itself is not upon the correct aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaah. There might not be a hidden agenda but their *main* and ONLY agenda is to establish a Khalifah. Yes, every sane Muslims would want a Khalifah that we can give our oath and allegiance to BUT it is not merely via a political movement that an Islaamic Khalifah can be built. Do the movement emphasize on the importance to learn and understand the Qur`an wa ahadeeth, correcting the aqeedah of the people who have deviated, making a clear distinction between what is Sunnah and pure culture or bid`ah? Until all that is being fought for, then establishing a Khalifah is just a dream.

It is only when the Muslims people are understanding tawheed in accordance to the understanding of the pious predecessors, upholding the Qur`an and Sunnah in every aspect of their life, learning, spreading and practicing what our Prophet Muhammad salallallahu alayhi was-salaam has taught us; THEN only Muslims will become united, thus a Khilaafah Islamiyaah won't just become a dream.



I hope you know that all Salafis are Sunnis. Brother, what do you understand a Salafi is?



Read more on here:
Hizbut-Tahreer

and here:
Question about hizbu tahrir?


There exist hundreds of political movements in the name of Islaam out there, fighting against the ruler with the goal to establish a Khilafah. Again, as I've mentioned earlier, they are not upon the correct manhaj of ahlul Sunnah wal Jama`ah. They have flaws in their understanding of aqeedah. They prioritize more on political movement rather than tawheed or learning the deen.

However, if one is going to ask: If every Muslim just study and spread the deen, how can a khalifah be establish?

The fatwa that I quoted above from Lajnah Dai`mah sums it all:



Brother, I wrote and shared this piece of important information, as someone who used to be heavily involved with that one political movement. I do not feel I've gained knowledge of the deen or felt closer to Allaah by joining it. It is MERELY just politics, politics, politics. I witnessed it first hand of their many flaws.

So as an advice, stay away from such parties/movements and start following the path that our pious predecessors has walked, start following the three best generations as per the hadeeth and inshaa Allaah, Allaah will guide us to the straight path, Ameen.

Please do take the time to read everything that's being posted. We are here to seek and find the truth and adhere to it, nothing else than that.

Wa`alaykum as-salaam.

Assalamu 'alaykkum,

Jazakallahu khayran for the articles. May Allah guide the Hizb-ut-Tahrir people.
 

Abd_Al_Hadi

لبيك يا الله
jAk for your effort, sister. But I prefer to stick to my grounds. Of course I know what Salaf and Salafi is. Unfortunately they're not the same.

One of my favorite lecturers is the respected Dr. Zakir Naik. He warns us about Salafis:

[video=youtube;Szzn9lFg9n0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzn9lFg9n0&feature=related[/video]
 

Ershad

Junior Member
jAk for your effort, sister. But I prefer to stick to my grounds. Of course I know what Salaf and Salafi is. Unfortunately they're not the same.

Brother, Please read from the attachment what the past and current scholars said regarding this issue (other than Shaykh Al-Albaani also). I hope it will help you understand, Insha Allah
 

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Asalamaulaykum wa rahmatullah,

Although i understand the need for a global Khalifah, i must say that HizbutTahrir can not fill this void. From experience HTs (as the are known in the Uk) are one of the weakest Muslims who simply just call for khalifah and that's about it. No tarbiyyah and more importantly no knowledge (ie how many HT shcolars can you name). Just go to any university ISOC and see how that HTs are the biggest trouble makers on campus next only to the Madkhalis, who will sell their own souls to be come Amir of an ISOC.
 

Abd_Al_Hadi

لبيك يا الله
Bro, that's just UK's chapter. If there's an international chess club, not all members will be enthusiastic at the same level. In China, they might worship chess and play night and day, where as in Jamaica they might get involve themselves on a weekly basis.

Islam is only strong in impoverish areas. In UK and the US, we're trying to find places that sell halal meat....where in Bangladesh, some haven't tasted meat in years. When Bangladeshis or Pakistanis or Yemenis or Palestinians are calling to unite an Ummah, their agenda is not like our agenda in the west--where we fight to be accepted--their agenda is to fight for a Muslim Nation with Sharia law.

How can that be bad?
 

Abu-Talha

Brother in Deen
As sahaba and scholars said, what made muslims to rise into such big state, is the source of islam, Quran and sunnah, and to rise again we need to go back to the source, Quran, sunah as sahaba practis it and understud it

muslim should be practical and not with high ideas but low actions, and to be realistic, we live in world of infos and technology, in a time when time is just a short seconds to each other nations, its not like before when you could of make a state in small city somewhere in any part of the world, if somebody does something in the end of the world, each gov knows it and they react about that

we need to know the reality we live in it and to act with wisdom and not to do action without plan for years ahead, Prophet alayhi salam even in that time made contract for benefit for years ahead of him, and we need to not destroi what we have today-with intention that we whant good-but actualy we do harm, some people they just say lets do this and that, but they dont care that without corect plan they can damage the muslim contries, and when muslim contries are damaged or destroid, then they are more easy target to be attack by nonmuslims, war today is not done with sticker etc, it need's money, aggrement, political and strategic tactics etc

and most importen thing is that people should first unite under path of sahaba, people follow in their life something else then the path of sahaba and they think they can make this nation again rised !!!, its contradiction, you whant to rise the nation in islamic state as sahaba hade, but you dont follow their path !!!??
 

Abu-Talha

Brother in Deen
Words Salafi, sunni, hanefi etc

When a person says i am Sunni-he dosnt mean he is action, becasue sunnah means action, but words sunni is shorten from word ahlul-sunnah-follower of Sunnah ( action of the Prophet alayhi salam )

When person says i am hanafi, shafi, etc- he dosnt mean he is imam shafi, or abu hanifa etc, but he is just making short the word " o follow the madhhab of shafi, or hanafi", so his intention is the madhhab

When a person says Salafi, with letter I wich is add to the word Salaf, he whant to say that i follow the path of Salaf, from this word " i follow the path of salaf"-it is shorten in to Salaf-i, the same as word sunni and hanafi etc is used, its just a short word to expres something, but dosnt mean he is saying that he is that person, he is just making a explanation with that word


so nothing is wrong with that short word, but its not obligatory to use it any time, its enough to say ahlu sunnah, fard is to be in path of sahaba, not just to name ourself, this is what is importen, as scholar fawzan said and other scholars said too
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
jAk for your effort, sister. But I prefer to stick to my grounds. Of course I know what Salaf and Salafi is. Unfortunately they're not the same.

One of my favorite lecturers is the respected Dr. Zakir Naik. He warns us about Salafis:

aslam o alaikum wr wb

beautiful bro, and this is true and have a look at what sheikh uthaymeen said, honestly his words are very beautiful and spoke of wisdom

[video=youtube;vmjpC6gd314]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmjpC6gd314[/video]

Another thing i want to mention , there are alot of people out there who follow the correct aqeedah, the aqeedah of the salaf, but they are not aware of the word salafi, and many times if brothers go around calling themselves salafi, a layman takes it to be a new sect and totally disregards what they are saying, and for no reason it causes divisions among the ummah.

i am passing you words of wisdom from a brother on this forum , May Allah (swt) raise his rank in jannah - ameen, i dont want to use his name but im pretty sure u all know him so take the advice that he gave me gain proper authentic knowledge, and focus on that

I advise you akhee, with the advice of the scholars- the likes of the kibaar al-`Ulemaa like Albaanee, Ibn `Uthaymeen, Saleh al-Fawzaan, Ibn Baaz and other than them... stick to seeking knowledge and make du`aa to Allaah to guide you and all the muslims to the straight path. And I really really ask you to not waste your valuable time with these "salafi" groups and I tell you this from personal experience- it is completely of no benefit.
 

Abu-Talha

Brother in Deen
Zakir Naik is good dai in what he does, may Allah reward him with good, and he made some points that can have misundestanding when using words, but saying in general that i am just muslim and that Allah dosnt call us in Quran and sunah with other names, this is wrong and contradict all generations of scholars from the time of tabiine until now

Allah and Prophets inform us that there people Muslims and Mumin, Mumin is Muslim and Mumin, but a person can be a Muslim but not a Mumin, so its weak proof that there is no other name in Quran and sunnah, muslims are olso called fasik, etc in Quran and sunnah-if they are into thos actions, there are labels of Muslims according to their actions

we have scient of tafsir, fikh, ect with are used by brother Zakir Naik, does that mean he is using something wich is not mention in Quran !!??, thos things are not mention in Quran and not in sunnah

there is verse, the meaning, thos that dont follow words of Allah, the Prophet and " the path of believers", it means the path of sahaba, so this is clear proof that Allah has shown to us wich is the path to follow, and there are hadith that tells us to follow the sahaba-salaf's

people in many places are called according to their fathers name or according to their children names, like Ibn Fulan, or Abu fulan, or Bint Fulan, or Ummu Fulana, does that mean that the person is not the same person, does that mean that Zakir Naik is not Zakir naik, if he is called o Abu Fulan ?

Brother Zakir Naik is called Dr, why dr, why not the compled word but just the short term Dr, and why not to call him just Muslim zakir naik, why he need his name Zakir Naik, its enough to say he is Human, or man, or Human Muslim !!!

the names that are used by followers of the sahaba that came after them, the tabiine, the tabiine scholars didnt use thos words to divide muslims, becasue thos old clasical scholars that used words, ahlu sunah, ahlul hadith, athari, they informed us that dividing into sect in islam is not alowed-they known that in detail, its a clear verse, but thos words where used as a sign to inform about one issue, when sect start to show up the scholars explain to the people wich is corect path, so they said " follow the sunah of Prophet" or be from Ahlul-sunnah-followers of sunah, its just a word of explanation to direct people where is corect path, not to divide muslim, but to separate them from the wrong path and to put them away from sects

olso there is hadith that ummah with divide into 73 sect, others in hell, one in paradise, sahaba asked, wich one is the saved one, Prophet alayhi salam said " the one that follows my sunnah and my companions"

even Prophet alayhi salam used word's to label thos that are in corect path, so what zakir naik said its very wrong and contradict all the scholars before

if he means that there is a place when we use just the word muslim, then its ok, sometimes becasue of dawah we dont go into thos things, we explain basic of islam, but if there is a need to tell the people the corect way of understanding islam-then we tell them, becasue Quran and Hadith came to us up to today throught that way, and that way is " Sahabas and the other after them that followed them, until today ", so nothing wrong to say ahlu sunah or salafi
 

Ershad

Junior Member
There are some good discussion done previously about this here - http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44978

The usage is to really distinguish yourself from Ahlul-Bid'ah... not to label oneself (out of arrogance or bigotry for e.g.). And one should note that Shaykh Uthaymeen was warning against associating any forms of Hizbiyyah to Salafiyyah, and not warning against Salafiyyah itself.
 

Abd_Al_Hadi

لبيك يا الله
salam,

Brothers, I think its dangerous when a group of people tell me to avoid pioneers like Khalid Yasin, Ahmad Deedat, Zakir Naik, Yasir Qadhi etc. (May Allah preserve them). I am yet to see any of them make any errors in their da'wahs. Yet there are people out their (mainly wahabis)who are working hard to destroy their reputation.
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
salam,

Brothers, I think its dangerous when a group of people tell me to avoid pioneers like Khalid Yasin, Ahmad Deedat, Zakir Naik, Yasir Qadhi etc. (May Allah preserve them). I am yet to see any of them make any errors in their da'wahs. Yet there are people out their (mainly wahabis)who are working hard to destroy their reputation.

walaikum salam

i know what you mean just recently i came across a list, from the same type of people, and it listed alot of good ulma labeling them in a wrong way and destroying their reputation SubhanAllah
Something i have noticed, is that people don't realize the context of the situation , some of the scholars take the opinion which might not accepted by everyone based on the person situation. Not on Aqeedah but fiqhi matters, you cant compare a person who grew up in north america has been drinking alcohol, having many gf but now he wants to change, they make things easy for him so he can adjust to things and try to atleast do the least, and people are very quick to point fingers at the scholars.

When i met yasir qadhi in person, during his talk a good example came up on the MBC show on Umar (rad) , now all the scholars as he told us have said that its haram we shudn't be watching these things, thats the ruling that you shouldn't be watching YET it was the highest rated, most watched show in the arabian countries during ramadan and while it was running, its so popular that it has been captioned in english as well now and if you go on youtube, u see easily more than 100 thousand views. So there is a huge gap between the scholars and the muslim ummah in general, then he said two different thing based on what our level of knowledge was, i dont want to share it since im afraid people might start saying bad things about him, but it was something to think about WHY is the general UMMAH not even listening or does even care what the scholars are saying ...
Anywayz thats my personal opinion taken from yasir qadhi meeting, but this way of some people just trying their best to destroy other's reputation is really causing alot of people for layman like us

beautiful words by one of the scholar which really convey a powerful message
"Professional jealousy amongst religious scholars is one of the major causes of disunity amongst believers."

May Allah (swt) save us all - ameen
 
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