Global Effort Towards Khilafah

Discussion in 'New and Current Affairs' started by Abd_Al_Hadi, Oct 19, 2012.

  1. Abd_Al_Hadi
    Offline

    Abd_Al_Hadi لبيك يا الله

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    346
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Dunya
    Ratings Received:
    +18 / 0
    [video=youtube;EKRCcfETaKM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKRCcfETaKM&feature=g-high-rec[/video]


    MashaAllah! My brothers of Hizb ut Tahrir have my full support! Lets strengthen this movement that pleases Allah and dignifies our Imaan!!!!


    Please pass this around
  2. Abd_Al_Hadi
    Offline

    Abd_Al_Hadi لبيك يا الله

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    346
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Dunya
    Ratings Received:
    +18 / 0
  3. Aisya al-Humaira
    Thinking
    Offline

    Aisya al-Humaira الحمدلله على كل حال

    Joined:
    May 14, 2009
    Messages:
    1,211
    Likes Received:
    71
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Gender:
    Female
    Ratings Received:
    +116 / 0
    Assalamua`alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

    Islaamic movements such as Hizb Ut-Tahreer, Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen etc are not upon the way of the salaaf when building a caliphate in their views include violence, demonstrations on the streets, waging war against the Muslim leader instead of teaching and da`wah the Muslims towards understanding the Qur`an, spreading the Sunnah and remove bid`ah.

    Their intention and effort might be seen as "good" but it is not within the correct method.

    Read the biography of Imaam Ahmad. The Imaams of the Salaf who were imprisoned, tortured, killed but they did not rebel against a ruler so long that he is still considered a Muslim.

    [Let's not turn this thread into another debate but rather an educational one]

    :wasalam:
  4. Abd_Al_Hadi
    Offline

    Abd_Al_Hadi لبيك يا الله

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    346
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Dunya
    Ratings Received:
    +18 / 0
    No, sister. The Muslim youth already fear Allah and know their Quran. That is why they are motivated to rebuild the Ummah.

    Muslim leaders? Lets see what Allah has to say about them in Surah 5, verse 51:

    "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

    Name me one ruler who takes NOT the Jews or the Christians as friends?
  5. Aisya al-Humaira
    Thinking
    Offline

    Aisya al-Humaira الحمدلله على كل حال

    Joined:
    May 14, 2009
    Messages:
    1,211
    Likes Received:
    71
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Gender:
    Female
    Ratings Received:
    +116 / 0
    To say that there is one established khalifah in this world at the moment, then that's not true. To answer your question, there is none, as far as I know. However, so long that the ruler is still a Muslim, still pray to Allaah then we are not to go against them.

    I'm not the best person to explain on this topic as I'm lacking in words, sadly. I don't wish to put a complicated sentence and misguide people.

    I would advice you to dig in the Important Islaamic articles forum and read the abundant threads there. The life of the Salaf. The rulings of rebelling towards a Muslim leader. About the deviant sects.

    If I may ask, are you aware of how Hiz Ut-Tahrir moves? What are their objectives and their methodology? Have you ever been involved with them?
  6. Abd_Al_Hadi
    Offline

    Abd_Al_Hadi لبيك يا الله

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    346
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Dunya
    Ratings Received:
    +18 / 0
    Its nothing more than a group of Muslims who are peacefully trying to unite every brother and sister and rebuild the Ummah. No hidden agendas. We condemn violence. All we want is a leadership that bows down only to Allah. We want Sharia once again to have dominion over Muslim lands.

    I don't see how that can be dangerous for Islam. I don't know why you're bringing Salafi into this, dear sister. I'm a Sunni, not a Salafi...
  7. Aisya al-Humaira
    Thinking
    Offline

    Aisya al-Humaira الحمدلله على كل حال

    Joined:
    May 14, 2009
    Messages:
    1,211
    Likes Received:
    71
    Trophy Points:
    68
    Gender:
    Female
    Ratings Received:
    +116 / 0
    Bismillaahi rahmaani al-raheem.

    Complete fatwa: http://www.alifta.com/Search/Result...&searchkeyword=104105122098#firstKeyWordFound

    It is dangerous when the movement itself is not upon the correct aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jamaah. There might not be a hidden agenda but their *main* and ONLY agenda is to establish a Khalifah. Yes, every sane Muslims would want a Khalifah that we can give our oath and allegiance to BUT it is not merely via a political movement that an Islaamic Khalifah can be built. Do the movement emphasize on the importance to learn and understand the Qur`an wa ahadeeth, correcting the aqeedah of the people who have deviated, making a clear distinction between what is Sunnah and pure culture or bid`ah? Until all that is being fought for, then establishing a Khalifah is just a dream.

    It is only when the Muslims people are understanding tawheed in accordance to the understanding of the pious predecessors, upholding the Qur`an and Sunnah in every aspect of their life, learning, spreading and practicing what our Prophet Muhammad salallallahu alayhi was-salaam has taught us; THEN only Muslims will become united, thus a Khilaafah Islamiyaah won't just become a dream.

    I hope you know that all Salafis are Sunnis. Brother, what do you understand a Salafi is?

    Read more on here:
    Hizbut-Tahreer

    and here:
    Question about hizbu tahrir?


    There exist hundreds of political movements in the name of Islaam out there, fighting against the ruler with the goal to establish a Khilafah. Again, as I've mentioned earlier, they are not upon the correct manhaj of ahlul Sunnah wal Jama`ah. They have flaws in their understanding of aqeedah. They prioritize more on political movement rather than tawheed or learning the deen.

    However, if one is going to ask: If every Muslim just study and spread the deen, how can a khalifah be establish?

    The fatwa that I quoted above from Lajnah Dai`mah sums it all:

    Brother, I wrote and shared this piece of important information, as someone who used to be heavily involved with that one political movement. I do not feel I've gained knowledge of the deen or felt closer to Allaah by joining it. It is MERELY just politics, politics, politics. I witnessed it first hand of their many flaws.

    So as an advice, stay away from such parties/movements and start following the path that our pious predecessors has walked, start following the three best generations as per the hadeeth and inshaa Allaah, Allaah will guide us to the straight path, Ameen.

    Please do take the time to read everything that's being posted. We are here to seek and find the truth and adhere to it, nothing else than that.

    Wa`alaykum as-salaam.
  8. Ershad
    Offline

    Ershad Junior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    946
    Likes Received:
    27
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Student
    Ratings Received:
    +28 / 0
    Assalamu 'alaykkum,

    Jazakallahu khayran for the articles. May Allah guide the Hizb-ut-Tahrir people.
  9. Abd_Al_Hadi
    Offline

    Abd_Al_Hadi لبيك يا الله

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    346
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Dunya
    Ratings Received:
    +18 / 0
    jAk for your effort, sister. But I prefer to stick to my grounds. Of course I know what Salaf and Salafi is. Unfortunately they're not the same.

    One of my favorite lecturers is the respected Dr. Zakir Naik. He warns us about Salafis:

    [video=youtube;Szzn9lFg9n0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szzn9lFg9n0&feature=related[/video]
  10. Ershad
    Offline

    Ershad Junior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    946
    Likes Received:
    27
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Student
    Ratings Received:
    +28 / 0
    Brother, Please read from the attachment what the past and current scholars said regarding this issue (other than Shaykh Al-Albaani also). I hope it will help you understand, Insha Allah

    Attached Files:

  11. user expired!
    Offline

    user expired! Junior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2006
    Messages:
    317
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    full time Muslim
    Location:
    A lot of places
    Ratings Received:
    +14 / 0
    Asalamaulaykum wa rahmatullah,

    Although i understand the need for a global Khalifah, i must say that HizbutTahrir can not fill this void. From experience HTs (as the are known in the Uk) are one of the weakest Muslims who simply just call for khalifah and that's about it. No tarbiyyah and more importantly no knowledge (ie how many HT shcolars can you name). Just go to any university ISOC and see how that HTs are the biggest trouble makers on campus next only to the Madkhalis, who will sell their own souls to be come Amir of an ISOC.
  12. Abd_Al_Hadi
    Offline

    Abd_Al_Hadi لبيك يا الله

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    346
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Dunya
    Ratings Received:
    +18 / 0
    Bro, that's just UK's chapter. If there's an international chess club, not all members will be enthusiastic at the same level. In China, they might worship chess and play night and day, where as in Jamaica they might get involve themselves on a weekly basis.

    Islam is only strong in impoverish areas. In UK and the US, we're trying to find places that sell halal meat....where in Bangladesh, some haven't tasted meat in years. When Bangladeshis or Pakistanis or Yemenis or Palestinians are calling to unite an Ummah, their agenda is not like our agenda in the west--where we fight to be accepted--their agenda is to fight for a Muslim Nation with Sharia law.

    How can that be bad?
  13. Abu-Talha
    Offline

    Abu-Talha Brother in Deen

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2012
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Europa
    Home page:
    Ratings Received:
    +8 / 0
    As sahaba and scholars said, what made muslims to rise into such big state, is the source of islam, Quran and sunnah, and to rise again we need to go back to the source, Quran, sunah as sahaba practis it and understud it

    muslim should be practical and not with high ideas but low actions, and to be realistic, we live in world of infos and technology, in a time when time is just a short seconds to each other nations, its not like before when you could of make a state in small city somewhere in any part of the world, if somebody does something in the end of the world, each gov knows it and they react about that

    we need to know the reality we live in it and to act with wisdom and not to do action without plan for years ahead, Prophet alayhi salam even in that time made contract for benefit for years ahead of him, and we need to not destroi what we have today-with intention that we whant good-but actualy we do harm, some people they just say lets do this and that, but they dont care that without corect plan they can damage the muslim contries, and when muslim contries are damaged or destroid, then they are more easy target to be attack by nonmuslims, war today is not done with sticker etc, it need's money, aggrement, political and strategic tactics etc

    and most importen thing is that people should first unite under path of sahaba, people follow in their life something else then the path of sahaba and they think they can make this nation again rised !!!, its contradiction, you whant to rise the nation in islamic state as sahaba hade, but you dont follow their path !!!??
  14. Abu-Talha
    Offline

    Abu-Talha Brother in Deen

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2012
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Europa
    Home page:
    Ratings Received:
    +8 / 0
    Words Salafi, sunni, hanefi etc

    When a person says i am Sunni-he dosnt mean he is action, becasue sunnah means action, but words sunni is shorten from word ahlul-sunnah-follower of Sunnah ( action of the Prophet alayhi salam )

    When person says i am hanafi, shafi, etc- he dosnt mean he is imam shafi, or abu hanifa etc, but he is just making short the word " o follow the madhhab of shafi, or hanafi", so his intention is the madhhab

    When a person says Salafi, with letter I wich is add to the word Salaf, he whant to say that i follow the path of Salaf, from this word " i follow the path of salaf"-it is shorten in to Salaf-i, the same as word sunni and hanafi etc is used, its just a short word to expres something, but dosnt mean he is saying that he is that person, he is just making a explanation with that word


    so nothing is wrong with that short word, but its not obligatory to use it any time, its enough to say ahlu sunnah, fard is to be in path of sahaba, not just to name ourself, this is what is importen, as scholar fawzan said and other scholars said too
  15. slaveofAllah88
    No Mood
    Offline

    slaveofAllah88 Slave of Allah (swt)

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    4,129
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Slave of Allah
    Ratings Received:
    +67 / 0
    aslam o alaikum wr wb

    beautiful bro, and this is true and have a look at what sheikh uthaymeen said, honestly his words are very beautiful and spoke of wisdom

    [video=youtube;vmjpC6gd314]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmjpC6gd314[/video]

    Another thing i want to mention , there are alot of people out there who follow the correct aqeedah, the aqeedah of the salaf, but they are not aware of the word salafi, and many times if brothers go around calling themselves salafi, a layman takes it to be a new sect and totally disregards what they are saying, and for no reason it causes divisions among the ummah.

    i am passing you words of wisdom from a brother on this forum , May Allah (swt) raise his rank in jannah - ameen, i dont want to use his name but im pretty sure u all know him so take the advice that he gave me gain proper authentic knowledge, and focus on that

    • Like Like x 1
  16. Abu-Talha
    Offline

    Abu-Talha Brother in Deen

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2012
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Europa
    Home page:
    Ratings Received:
    +8 / 0
    Zakir Naik is good dai in what he does, may Allah reward him with good, and he made some points that can have misundestanding when using words, but saying in general that i am just muslim and that Allah dosnt call us in Quran and sunah with other names, this is wrong and contradict all generations of scholars from the time of tabiine until now

    Allah and Prophets inform us that there people Muslims and Mumin, Mumin is Muslim and Mumin, but a person can be a Muslim but not a Mumin, so its weak proof that there is no other name in Quran and sunnah, muslims are olso called fasik, etc in Quran and sunnah-if they are into thos actions, there are labels of Muslims according to their actions

    we have scient of tafsir, fikh, ect with are used by brother Zakir Naik, does that mean he is using something wich is not mention in Quran !!??, thos things are not mention in Quran and not in sunnah

    there is verse, the meaning, thos that dont follow words of Allah, the Prophet and " the path of believers", it means the path of sahaba, so this is clear proof that Allah has shown to us wich is the path to follow, and there are hadith that tells us to follow the sahaba-salaf's

    people in many places are called according to their fathers name or according to their children names, like Ibn Fulan, or Abu fulan, or Bint Fulan, or Ummu Fulana, does that mean that the person is not the same person, does that mean that Zakir Naik is not Zakir naik, if he is called o Abu Fulan ?

    Brother Zakir Naik is called Dr, why dr, why not the compled word but just the short term Dr, and why not to call him just Muslim zakir naik, why he need his name Zakir Naik, its enough to say he is Human, or man, or Human Muslim !!!

    the names that are used by followers of the sahaba that came after them, the tabiine, the tabiine scholars didnt use thos words to divide muslims, becasue thos old clasical scholars that used words, ahlu sunah, ahlul hadith, athari, they informed us that dividing into sect in islam is not alowed-they known that in detail, its a clear verse, but thos words where used as a sign to inform about one issue, when sect start to show up the scholars explain to the people wich is corect path, so they said " follow the sunah of Prophet" or be from Ahlul-sunnah-followers of sunah, its just a word of explanation to direct people where is corect path, not to divide muslim, but to separate them from the wrong path and to put them away from sects

    olso there is hadith that ummah with divide into 73 sect, others in hell, one in paradise, sahaba asked, wich one is the saved one, Prophet alayhi salam said " the one that follows my sunnah and my companions"

    even Prophet alayhi salam used word's to label thos that are in corect path, so what zakir naik said its very wrong and contradict all the scholars before

    if he means that there is a place when we use just the word muslim, then its ok, sometimes becasue of dawah we dont go into thos things, we explain basic of islam, but if there is a need to tell the people the corect way of understanding islam-then we tell them, becasue Quran and Hadith came to us up to today throught that way, and that way is " Sahabas and the other after them that followed them, until today ", so nothing wrong to say ahlu sunah or salafi
  17. Ershad
    Offline

    Ershad Junior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    946
    Likes Received:
    27
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Student
    Ratings Received:
    +28 / 0
    There are some good discussion done previously about this here - http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44978

    The usage is to really distinguish yourself from Ahlul-Bid'ah... not to label oneself (out of arrogance or bigotry for e.g.). And one should note that Shaykh Uthaymeen was warning against associating any forms of Hizbiyyah to Salafiyyah, and not warning against Salafiyyah itself.
  18. Abd_Al_Hadi
    Offline

    Abd_Al_Hadi لبيك يا الله

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    346
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Dunya
    Ratings Received:
    +18 / 0
    salam,

    Brothers, I think its dangerous when a group of people tell me to avoid pioneers like Khalid Yasin, Ahmad Deedat, Zakir Naik, Yasir Qadhi etc. (May Allah preserve them). I am yet to see any of them make any errors in their da'wahs. Yet there are people out their (mainly wahabis)who are working hard to destroy their reputation.
  19. slaveofAllah88
    No Mood
    Offline

    slaveofAllah88 Slave of Allah (swt)

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    4,129
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    58
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Slave of Allah
    Ratings Received:
    +67 / 0
    walaikum salam

    i know what you mean just recently i came across a list, from the same type of people, and it listed alot of good ulma labeling them in a wrong way and destroying their reputation SubhanAllah
    Something i have noticed, is that people don't realize the context of the situation , some of the scholars take the opinion which might not accepted by everyone based on the person situation. Not on Aqeedah but fiqhi matters, you cant compare a person who grew up in north america has been drinking alcohol, having many gf but now he wants to change, they make things easy for him so he can adjust to things and try to atleast do the least, and people are very quick to point fingers at the scholars.

    When i met yasir qadhi in person, during his talk a good example came up on the MBC show on Umar (rad) , now all the scholars as he told us have said that its haram we shudn't be watching these things, thats the ruling that you shouldn't be watching YET it was the highest rated, most watched show in the arabian countries during ramadan and while it was running, its so popular that it has been captioned in english as well now and if you go on youtube, u see easily more than 100 thousand views. So there is a huge gap between the scholars and the muslim ummah in general, then he said two different thing based on what our level of knowledge was, i dont want to share it since im afraid people might start saying bad things about him, but it was something to think about WHY is the general UMMAH not even listening or does even care what the scholars are saying ...
    Anywayz thats my personal opinion taken from yasir qadhi meeting, but this way of some people just trying their best to destroy other's reputation is really causing alot of people for layman like us

    beautiful words by one of the scholar which really convey a powerful message
    May Allah (swt) save us all - ameen
  20. John Smith
    Breezy
    Offline

    John Smith Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2011
    Messages:
    580
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Run my own business
    Location:
    England
    Ratings Received:
    +33 / 0
    Global effort?, how about we start in our own homes first?.
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page