The Mehdi In Islam

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
A fifth passage in the Qur'an over this topic has an interesting theme to it, it reads-

"There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them" (5: 159)

My question is do the 'People of the Book' [meaning the Christians and the Jews believe in Jesus (AS) as he should be believed in. The answer is no. This indicates it is not referring to a time that has transpired yet. Since the Qur'an is correct, we can then assume it is referring to a future event, namely when Jesus will return and then in the last days the Christians and the Jews will believe.

Otherwise every Jew and Christian would believe in Prophet Jesus (AS) before he or she dies. Is this happening, no it is not.

Arabic linguistics shows that this claim cannot be correct from a grammatical point of view either. The plural suffix hum is used in all those verses of the Qur'an that refer to the People of the Book (as in Surahs-Bayyina 1 and 6, Surah al-Hadid 29 and Surah al-Hashr 2.)

Yet the singular suffix hu is employed in this verse. This means that the verse reports that the People of the Book will believe in Prophet Jesus (AS) before his death – in other words, before his biological death at his second coming.
 
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Abu Juwairiya

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Brother, please be carefull what you are saying. i do not believe that Rasullullah said what you claimed he said. Yes, "The Qur'anic words are clear" but you chose to ignore them. You make the verses suit your belief which are formed not according to Quran but other books. it is clear according to Quran that Jesus(a.s.) is dead.

Muhammed(a.s.) was not a fortune teller. All that stories about the last days of the world, you could find them in almost all religions.

I have proven to you the words were not my own, but from the Qur'an. I have proved to you the words used refer to being alive and not dead. I have proved to you that the grammar used is aligned to mean alive and not dead.

The Ahadith is clear as well and very descriptive. They are not my interpretations but that of the scholars and I can list their names and given time I can also list their authenticity as credible sources for interpretation of the Qur'an and the books which they wrote about Jesus and his return. If you choose to believe the Prophet (SAW) did not say the narrations about the return of Jesus than perhaps you can say what narrations he did say about Jesus having died.
 

mezeren

Junior Member
A fifth passage in the Qur'an over this topic has an interesting theme to it, it reads-

"There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them" (5: 159)

My question is do the 'People of the Book' [meaning the Christians and the Jews believe in Jesus (AS) as he should be believed in. The answer is no. This indicates it is not referring to a time that has transpired yet. Since the Qur'an is correct, we can then assume it is referring to a future event, namely when Jesus will return and then in the last days the Christians and the Jews will believe.

Otherwise every Jew and Christian would believe in Prophet Jesus (AS) before he or she dies. Is this happening, no it is not.

Arabic linguistics shows that this claim cannot be correct from a grammatical point of view either. The plural suffix hum is used in all those verses of the Qur'an that refer to the People of the Book (as in Surahs-Bayyina 1 and 6, Surah al-Hadid 29 and Surah al-Hashr 2.)

Yet the singular suffix hu is employed in this verse. This means that the verse reports that the People of the Book will believe in Prophet Jesus (AS) before his death – in other words, before his biological death at his second coming.

OK, my question to you;
How all the people of the book who had died before second coming of Jesus(a.s.) will believe in him before they die?
 

mezeren

Junior Member
I have proven to you the words were not my own, but from the Qur'an. I have proved to you the words used refer to being alive and not dead. I have proved to you that the grammar used is aligned to mean alive and not dead.

The Ahadith is clear as well and very descriptive. They are not my interpretations but that of the scholars and I can list their names and given time I can also list their authenticity as credible sources for interpretation of the Qur'an and the books which they wrote about Jesus and his return. If you choose to believe the Prophet (SAW) did not say the narrations about the return of Jesus than perhaps you can say what narrations he did say about Jesus having died.

No brother, you have not proven anything. The verses are clear. But your belief system is based upon narration which have nothing to do with the Prophet(a.s.). Then, you use the verses to suit your belief. it must be the other way around.

“Once Allah said: “O Jesus, I am going to cause you to die and raise you to my side. I will purge you from the ignorant. I will make your followers superior to those concealers till the day of resurrection. At the end all of you will return to me and l will resolve the issues which you conflict in between.” (Family of Imran 3:55)
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
OK, my question to you;
How all the people of the book who had died before second coming of Jesus(a.s.) will believe in him before they die?

The answer is when he returns, the Christians will believe in him as the Messiah and not as the Son of God and he will defeat the Jews and then they will also believe. In this manner, they will believe in him before they die.

Anyway, I am now convinced you are either a deviant Muslim or a Non Muslim with no real interest in learning about Islam in reality, so I will end my discussion with you from now on and will no longer entertain any further questions from you, either on this thread or anywhere else on the Forum.
 

zaman-gm

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaykum Brother,

it is ok to disagrree. we can exchange what we know and see things differently.

Our knowledge about such matters is limited to what Allah have informed us in the Quran, the ultimate source of knowledge for all muslims. Qur'an is the only source for us which are 100% reliable, other sources must be taken in the consideration in the light of Qur'an. Otherwise, we could go astray.

Why do you think that neither the Sahih Bukhari nor Sahih Muslim contains narrations about Mahdi?
We are the follower of Quran And Sunnah(Hadith).
Brother would you like to say Hadith is not 100% reliable?????:)
 

mezeren

Junior Member
The answer is when he returns, the Christians will believe in him as the Messiah and not as the Son of God and he will defeat the Jews and then they will also believe. In this manner, they will believe in him before they die.

Anyway, I am now convinced you are either a deviant Muslim or a Non Muslim with no real interest in learning about Islam in reality, so I will end my discussion with you from now on and will no longer entertain any further questions from you.

Brother, you don't get it or i could not explain it. What about the people of the book who have allready died BEFORE the second coming of Jesus?

i thought it was clear that i am a muslim. i know, everybody is deviant except us, i get it. But, with that attitude how can we reach the truth? Everybody is happy with what he/she learned from their fore fathers...
 

mezeren

Junior Member
"fabricated hadith" is not Hadith. We talking about Hadith.

How can one decide what is fabricated or not? For the same narration, one scholar say fabricated, the other say weak, another say authentic. Different scholars have different criteria.

The first criteria of Abu Haneefa was to critic the narrations according to Quran. That is what i follow.
 

mezeren

Junior Member
Who is the translator Bro?:)

Don't worry, it is not google translator... Anyway, any scholar with the knowledge could translate a verse. There are lots of scholars in my country who translate and understand this verse the same way which means Jesus(a.s.) is dead. Let me give you some names, but i don't think you recognise them;

Abdulaziz Bayindir, Mehmet Okuyan, Mustafa islamoglu ...

The question is, what does مُتَوَفّ۪يكَ means in arabic?
 
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