The Mehdi In Islam

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    A fifth passage in the Qur'an over this topic has an interesting theme to it, it reads-

    "There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them" (5: 159)

    My question is do the 'People of the Book' [meaning the Christians and the Jews believe in Jesus (AS) as he should be believed in. The answer is no. This indicates it is not referring to a time that has transpired yet. Since the Qur'an is correct, we can then assume it is referring to a future event, namely when Jesus will return and then in the last days the Christians and the Jews will believe.

    Otherwise every Jew and Christian would believe in Prophet Jesus (AS) before he or she dies. Is this happening, no it is not.

    Arabic linguistics shows that this claim cannot be correct from a grammatical point of view either. The plural suffix hum is used in all those verses of the Qur'an that refer to the People of the Book (as in Surahs-Bayyina 1 and 6, Surah al-Hadid 29 and Surah al-Hashr 2.)

    Yet the singular suffix hu is employed in this verse. This means that the verse reports that the People of the Book will believe in Prophet Jesus (AS) before his death – in other words, before his biological death at his second coming.
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    I have proven to you the words were not my own, but from the Qur'an. I have proved to you the words used refer to being alive and not dead. I have proved to you that the grammar used is aligned to mean alive and not dead.

    The Ahadith is clear as well and very descriptive. They are not my interpretations but that of the scholars and I can list their names and given time I can also list their authenticity as credible sources for interpretation of the Qur'an and the books which they wrote about Jesus and his return. If you choose to believe the Prophet (SAW) did not say the narrations about the return of Jesus than perhaps you can say what narrations he did say about Jesus having died.
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    OK, my question to you;
    How all the people of the book who had died before second coming of Jesus(a.s.) will believe in him before they die?
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    No brother, you have not proven anything. The verses are clear. But your belief system is based upon narration which have nothing to do with the Prophet(a.s.). Then, you use the verses to suit your belief. it must be the other way around.

    “Once Allah said: “O Jesus, I am going to cause you to die and raise you to my side. I will purge you from the ignorant. I will make your followers superior to those concealers till the day of resurrection. At the end all of you will return to me and l will resolve the issues which you conflict in between.” (Family of Imran 3:55)
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    The answer is when he returns, the Christians will believe in him as the Messiah and not as the Son of God and he will defeat the Jews and then they will also believe. In this manner, they will believe in him before they die.

    Anyway, I am now convinced you are either a deviant Muslim or a Non Muslim with no real interest in learning about Islam in reality, so I will end my discussion with you from now on and will no longer entertain any further questions from you, either on this thread or anywhere else on the Forum.
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    Who is the translator of this Ayah Brother?
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    We are the follower of Quran And Sunnah(Hadith).
    Brother would you like to say Hadith is not 100% reliable?????:)
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    Brother, you don't get it or i could not explain it. What about the people of the book who have allready died BEFORE the second coming of Jesus?

    i thought it was clear that i am a muslim. i know, everybody is deviant except us, i get it. But, with that attitude how can we reach the truth? Everybody is happy with what he/she learned from their fore fathers...
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    That is exactly what i am saying.
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    Do you think it is wrong?
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    Who is the translator Bro?
    In English die and taken are different.
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    What are you saying?
    Hadith are not 100% reliable.!!
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    How about Arabic? What is "the word" in the verse? What does it mean in English?
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    Are you aware that there are "fabricated hadith" in terminology?
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    Who is the translator Bro? Link please.
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    "fabricated hadith" is not Hadith. We talking about Hadith.
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    How can one decide what is fabricated or not? For the same narration, one scholar say fabricated, the other say weak, another say authentic. Different scholars have different criteria.

    The first criteria of Abu Haneefa was to critic the narrations according to Quran. That is what i follow.
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    Don't worry, it is not google translator... Anyway, any scholar with the knowledge could translate a verse. There are lots of scholars in my country who translate and understand this verse the same way which means Jesus(a.s.) is dead. Let me give you some names, but i don't think you recognise them;

    Abdulaziz Bayindir, Mehmet Okuyan, Mustafa islamoglu ...

    The question is, what does مُتَوَفّ۪يكَ means in arabic?

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