somewhatinspired
Junior Member
Because I wear a costume and so does my wife, to the swimming pool/beach, does not mean my belief in my faith is meaningless'
Other people look at my wife. I look at other peoples wives. If it's for ulterior motives, then that is sinful. God does not prescribe a dress code. As for modesty? Well that's not defined either. Women swimming in the olympic games wearing tight fitting costumes. Is that considered immodest??
Its neither in the scriptures or the Qur'an. We even look at muslim women even when they are dressed to the hilt. It happens all the time whether they are fully dressed or not. Yes the scriptures talk about modesty. Is wearing a bikini for the purpose of going for a swim and having a tan a sin? Of course not.
My wife is precious to me. She trusts me I trust her.
I do not "own" her. God owns her. She is a lifelong companion given to me by God as an equal person who God has united in matrimony. If i can wear a costume then she can. There is no sin there.
Now,Lets also put it the other way round. A muscular man wearing a costume. Are you telling me that women, and I mean all women, muslims included, look at these men and do not have the same feelings of lust as men do?
That means men too must dress 'modestly'.
If you find it really offensive then don't go to the beach.
Yes it is her choice and that is her right.
And God sets sets limits. In a sense you're probably right there. But if you transgress those limits then you sin. And when you sin you're answerable to God and nobody else. That means if I look at an attractive woman with a lustful heart, then I have transgressed Gods limits. And if I dont, despite the temptation, then my heart is with God and he will reward me. HE has given me that choice in the face of temptation. Its up to me and only me as a grown up adult to make that choice
there is one thing i always try to keep in mind.
if you look once by accident don't look twice, because if you look twice the sin is on you.
nobody will prevent your daughters from wearing bikinis, and no one will ever make you understand why Islam prescribes modesty to us.
the Quran makes how we should dress very clear,
i think some of the sisters who frequent these forums could make it clear that no one owns them in any way.
i find that more women convert to Islam than men. i emphasize by choice, often during college while educating themselves.
personally, as a man i was never comfortable naked or even in a bathing suit around others.and as a man, i know that if a woman walks by in her underwear, it is very hard not to have sinful thoughts.that is why we are told to lower our gaze.
there are plenty of men who do not think it is a sin at all to look at women,
and if you think they are not staring at your daughters at the beach or while tanning you are incredibly naive. because most men go to the beach for that reason. i live by the beach and grew up avoiding it because my friends would wanna go hang out and check out all the girls from school in their bikinis.
it may not bother you at all, and thats fine by me. but as a Muslim, i would certainly not want you to see my wife in her underwear.
and i know for a fact my wife would never want you to either.
we are Muslim exclusively by choice. and there is nothing debatable, as far as any of us go on the subject of womens bathing suits in public.
in a world where sex is fed to us in every form on every tv add, and billboard, in every rap video, and sitcom. in every magazine and clothing store.
i personally think that our respect for women has decreased so much because of this. i personally look at women as being far more valuable as human beings than billboards and music videos.
it is not surprising to me that most people in the west have become immune to it. its unavoidable.
i think women are far more beautiful on the inside than on the outside. and i think that it is hard to look at a woman for what she really is when she is walking around half naked or in her underwear.
i could go on for hours, and i really do understand your way of thinking,
but no one told you not to do it, or to stop your daughters from doing it.
you have found a very good source to learn about Muslim culture and how we base our lives around what we believe. i hope you can come to terms with what we do in order to understand what we believe.