Am i doing bidah?

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

okay didn't wait for answertold my sis she first wanted to argue but accepted when i showed her all i could with like "i kno it's unbelivable but check this out"sort of atittude
well my brother heard and demanded to know what we were discussing.i told him:it says here in this hadith fatwa that masa for neck is innovation and he got all hyper i don't know what's wrong with him....he argues even when he doesn't have to.well i explained imman tayyamah's position and knowledge and he stil said the imaams of masajids here who have studied islam for years know better then mebut wheni said you follow what you ike i've told you what is right in the light of hadiths he kinda bcame quiet

jazakallah khairan for you kind answers akhi and ukhti.no you got me wrong i don't attack them coz i've learnes it long ago that never helps i just kinda do the questioning thig my sister mentioned.it goes well with thembut like at times they say kid "we got four imaams...different ways......"blah blah without realising they are missing on something like they find it hard to leave what they believe is correctthey listen and understand mummi papa both and mashallah they appreciate my effort to understand my deen better then waste time else wherebut some time they get annoyed.happens.i'll give it a try on them too inshallah

but my brother,he's always in a blowing mood these daysknowing he's wrong he still argues....he becomes quiet when i say you do what you like.i found that in a hadiths'book i have no massa on neck.jumped a few chapters..... my brother said okay you are right(like if a pakistani writer says what i say he'll accept)but right now (after his blow up scene )i said okay bhai so don't do massa on you neck,he said why i said it's a sin he said:why should become a sin.i told him it's a bidah and all bidah's are sin.(QUEIT again!!!)he's gone for prayers now hope he did what i askedcoz he'll be questionable for that now.


i found that in a hadiths'book i have no massa on neck.jumped a few chapters..... my brother said okay you are right(like if a pakistani writer says what i say he'll accept)


Jazakallah khaira again everyone.may ALLAH shower you with HIS endless mercy and give us a greater understanding of our deen.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:

Exactly !.. This is what we want to avoid. A confrontation. With the parents feeling, now this boy has become a young adult and he is criticizing us in every matter and trying to blame us.

Instead, wisdom needs to be used. The foundation first needs to be built. Emphasize about Quran and Sunnah. Then present the evidence from the Hadeeth about the matter. Then gently suggest that "Shouldn't be doing it like our Prophet SallAllahu Alleihi Wasallam did ?"

Do not let it to get in a situation, in which your parents get defensive and start feeling hurt. If you prove it to them gradually that this is what the Rasool SallAllahu Alleihi Wasallam, then Insha'Allah they would listen to you and think of adopting it.

And make dua, akhi.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

you totally explained my strategy of attack......xcept my younger brother:lol:he's back and asking Questions againi think he feels uncomfortable.might give way inshallah


shaheer bhiyya(bro)may ALLAH grant you more knowledge and happiness for this.inshallah your parents will understan

jazakallah khairan again all who answered

 

[Aisya al-Humaira]

Assalamua'alykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

This reminds me of a story. Of how the two sons of Saidina Ali Karamullahu wajhah, used to correct a mistake that an old man made in performing a wudoo.

What they did was: They perform the wudoo' the correct way while making sure that the old man sees it. And then they asked among them, (the two sons) whether what they did was correct (while of course, knowing the right way of it). So that way, the old man actually learned on which part he did wrong.

Forgive me for my lack of skills in narrating stories. I've heard it quite a few times in lectures, so InshaAllaah, it is trustworthy.

Just thought I would share it here. Maybe anyone can give the reference of this story, inshaAllaah for the benefits of everyone.

Waalaykummusalam wa rahmatullah.

 

[DanyalSAC]

...he argues even when he doesn't have to.well i explained imman tayyamah's position and knowledge and he stil said the imaams of masajids here who have studied islam for years know better then mebut wheni said you follow what you ike i've told you what is right in the light of hadiths he kinda bcame quiet

Tell him he is 100% correct...and that he should verify with one of them. Any imam/shaykh who is worth his water should agree with you.

 

[saifkhan]

Salam Alaikum

Jazakallahu Khairan for such informative replies....
Mashaa'Allah....Alhamdulillah.....I've got it.....I knew,that inshaa'Allah we'll be having a great discussion...I took a llong time read all the replies....but inhshaa'Allah Im brnrfited and so others are...

Barakallahu feeke
wassalam

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Tell him he is 100% correct...and that he should verify with one of them. Any imam/shaykh who is worth his water should agree with you.

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
i did!!!he just acts an idiot then he does it for no reasonbut he calms down at times
and considering this particular bidah was in our course books i'm wondering how much more am i ignorant of

 

[slaveofAllah88]

aslam o alaikum

Alhumdulilah im glad i asked this about this topic cleared many things for me

JazakAllah khair for everyone's reply

and sister Seeking Allah's mercy i know wat you mean about the maulvi's in our country when they say something i ask them to bring a quranic verse or sahih Hadith and there is usually no more argueing after that.

 

[DanyalSAC]

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
i did!!!he just acts an idiot then he does it for no reasonbut he calms down at times
and considering this particular bidah was in our course books i'm wondering how much more am i ignorant of

I am with you in this one. When I took shahadah about a year and some months ago, my masjid at the time (like most masajid) had NO training for new Muslims so I got all my learnin' done off the internet. Ya Rab! the stuff out there! I thank Allah that we finally got a shaykh who cared enough about his congregation that now we have regular classes - including figh of salaat. I was doing a bunch of stuff that our Prophet salAllahu alayhi wa salaam did NOT do (like put my thumbs behind my earlobes at the start of my takbirat ihram) and ignored stuff he s.a.w DID do (like raise his hands when he stood up from ruku).

I guess what I'm saying is...there are plenty of instructional stuff out there that unfortunately are in error. SubahnuAllah; may Allah protect us from those who teach us bid'ah.

 

[samiha]

:salam2:

I came across this quote and it reminded me of this thread, so I thought I would put it...

It is reported that ‘Abdullâh b. Al-Hasan used to often sit with Rabî’ah. One day they were revising and studying various practices from the Sunnah when a man in the gathering said, “[But] this is not what is practiced [by the people].” ‘Abdullah said, “So if the ignorant become so numerous that they become the rulers and judges, will they then be a proof over the Sunnah?” Rabî’ah said, “I bear witness that these are the words of the sons of the Prophets.”

Al-Khatîb Al-Baghdâdî, Al-Faqîh wa Al-Mutafaqqih article 384

wasalam

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:

I came across this quote and it reminded me of this thread, so I thought I would put it...

It is reported that ‘Abdullâh b. Al-Hasan used to often sit with Rabî’ah. One day they were revising and studying various practices from the Sunnah when a man in the gathering said, “[But] this is not what is practiced [by the people].” ‘Abdullah said, “So if the ignorant become so numerous that they become the rulers and judges, will they then be a proof over the Sunnah?” Rabî’ah said, “I bear witness that these are the words of the sons of the Prophets.”

Al-Khatîb Al-Baghdâdî, Al-Faqîh wa Al-Mutafaqqih article 384

wasalam

:salam2:wa rahamtullahi wa barakatuhu
Wonderful!!!that is exactly what is happening,if something is believed long enough or by many ppl will not make it a fact or true

beautiful words sis jazakallah khairan

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

aslam o alaikum

Alhumdulilah im glad i asked this about this topic cleared many things for me

JazakAllah khair for everyone's reply

and sister Seeking Allah's mercy i know wat you mean about the maulvi's in our country when they say something i ask them to bring a quranic verse or sahih Hadith and there is usually no more argueing after that.

at times akhi they'll think you are trying to expose there ignorance and may get offended so they call you disrespectful blah blab blah.....i thnik the best is to show them the hadiths with referances and all and act the dumb person
"imaam i don't understand this,mashallah you got good knowledge can you explain"...........:lol:

that's how i'm planing to do it by using my father,if i manage to make him realise the seriouness of this issue.....bidah is fire!!everyone needs to know about this stupidity

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

I am with you in this one. When I took shahadah about a year and some months ago, my masjid at the time (like most masajid) had NO training for new Muslims so I got all my learnin' done off the internet. Ya Rab! the stuff out there! I thank Allah that we finally got a shaykh who cared enough about his congregation that now we have regular classes - including figh of salaat. I was doing a bunch of stuff that our Prophet salAllahu alayhi wa salaam did NOT do (like put my thumbs behind my earlobes at the start of my takbirat ihram) and ignored stuff he s.a.w DID do (like raise his hands when he stood up from ruku).

I guess what I'm saying is...there are plenty of instructional stuff out there that unfortunately are in error. SubahnuAllah; may Allah protect us from those who teach us bid'ah.

agreed the imaams should take care of all since it is there job.

but the thing is brother maybe the bida'h teacher himself doesn't know about it.i didn't.and i thnik i've taught a couple of ppl how to pray.........but no,i think non how to perfoprm wudu so maybe my slate is clean in this hopefully

so yeah akhi DANYALSAC (and bro SHAHEERPAK to some extent)i supose we should keep a clear heart in here.i don't say you guys thought wrong or something just a point.maybe the imaam at our masjid(and others) never came across this hadith or never thought he should correct the ppl praying behind him in this matter.so maybe he is worth his water!!!we'll see what happens inshallah.

but generally i'd give due respect to anyone whose leading the prayers(acting imaam)it's a respectful position they are in and is granted only by Allah(my belief).guess what i'm saying if he's entrusted with something as big a responsibilty as this he has to be better then us one way or the other.okay not "has to be" but could beto err is human right and so are these maulvi's,humans i mean.

but though respected.yes,they need to mend their ways.....

long rant,boring and out of point but something that came to me last night

hope nobody is offended.incase it's done i'm sorrywasn't my intention to do so.

may ALLAH give us and our families greater knowledge,understanding and stronger imaan.ameen keep me in your prayers.jazakallah kahiran again!!

wa rahamtullahi wa barakatuhu

 

[DanyalSAC]

agreed the imaams should take care of all since it is there job.

but the thing is brother maybe the bida'h teacher himself doesn't know about it.i didn't.and i thnik i've taught a couple of ppl how to pray.........but no,i think non how to perfoprm wudu so maybe my slate is clean in this hopefully

so yeah akhi DANYALSAC (and bro SHAHEERPAK to some extent)i supose we should keep a clear heart in here.i don't say you guys thought wrong or something just a point.maybe the imaam at our masjid(and others) never came across this hadith or never thought he should correct the ppl praying behind him in this matter.so maybe he is worth his water!!!we'll see what happens inshallah.

but generally i'd give due respect to anyone whose leading the prayers(acting imaam)it's a respectful position they are in and is granted only by Allah(my belief).guess what i'm saying if he's entrusted with something as big a responsibilty as this he has to be better then us one way or the other.okay not "has to be" but could beto err is human right and so are these maulvi's,humans i mean.

but though respected.yes,they need to mend their ways.....

long rant,boring and out of point but something that came to me last night

hope nobody is offended.incase it's done i'm sorrywasn't my intention to do so.

may ALLAH give us and our families greater knowledge,understanding and stronger imaan.ameen keep me in your prayers.jazakallah kahiran again!!

wa rahamtullahi wa barakatuhu

I am not exactly sure what it is I am being corrected on here... What I said was when I took shahadah was our masjid didn't have any resources for new Muslims so everything I learned as a new Muslim was from the internet. I wasn't criticizing anyone. Surely you're not defending the internet?!

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

I am not exactly sure what it is I am being corrected on here... What I said was when I took shahadah was our masjid didn't have any resources for new Muslims so everything I learned as a new Muslim was from the internet. I wasn't criticizing anyone. Surely you're not defending the internet?!

no akhi no correction someting general..........like you said "worth his water" so i was just like,let's give each other a chance....brrrrrrrr i duno i can't explain it......leave it akhi it's nothing!!!

wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

 

[Tabassum07]

I'm confused. I just checked three books by authors from three different parts of the world, and the ears are definitely mentioned to be wiped. The neck is mentioned in two cases.

Could this be a difference in madhhab or is it really bidah?? ??