Approaching Islam - sufism?

stavros_388

New Member
My name is Steve. I am very interested in Islam now. I have been a religious seeker for many, many years, and even became an Eastern Orthodox Christian 3 years ago. However, I keep stumbling over the Atonement theory, the Incarnation, and the Trinity. The principle of tawhid appeals to me so much, as does having a direct connection to God without needing intermediaries (eg the priesthood). The Oneness of God seems an essential religious tenet to me now, and nowhere in Christianity is this really taught (except maybe Arianism, or the Jehovah's Witnesses... no thanks).

As an esoterist, being mystically inclined by nature, I wonder how most Muslims feel about Sufism. I know that there are more traditional Sufi orders, grounded in the Quran and Islam, and psuedo-Islamic Sufi orders, which I feel inclined to stay way from. I originally became an Orthodox Christian primarily because of theosis, the principle of achieving oneness with God or participating in the life and energies of God. There are hesychasts, particularly on Mount Athos, who live very ascetic lives and who invoke the name of Jesus Christ as a practice (called Prayer of the Heart). They're the Christians who've made me want to be one! However, as I've said, I've been intellectually stymied due to theological and doctrinal issues.

Is the practice of dhikr recommended for all Muslims, or just Sufis? How do most people here feel about Sufism? Is it considered heretical? Is it something that interests most Muslims?

Thank you,
Steve
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
Salam alaikum

may Allah show you the straight path.
inshaa'Allah you'll find TTI fine with islamic matters as well as casula things.

anyways, there is no place for sufism in Islam, surely it is a devient sect.
may Allah save you from that and us.

JazakAllahu khair
wassalam
 

besmiralalbani

Think for yourself
Sufism

what about Sufism?.

Praise be to Allaah.
It is important for us to understand, firstly, that the words “Tasawwuf” and “Sufism” are modern terms which refer to something that is not automatically approved of in sharee’ah as the words eemaan (faith), Islam and ihsaan are. Neither is it automatically condemned like the words kufr, fusooq (immorality) and ‘asyaan (disobedience, sin).

In such cases, we need to find out more about what is meant by such words before we can pass comment. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

“The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names. That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience.

And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee’ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given…

And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur’aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid’ah that is forbidden.
This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya’ Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee’ah. Many such things happen among those people.

The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…

Al-Fataawa, 11/280-290.

But what Shaykh al-Islam said about the view of Sufis depending on their situation is almost too theoretical for our times, when the objectionable matters that he referred to have become part of the path of those who call themselves Sufis nowadays, in addition to the different occasions they celebrate such as the Mawlid, and their exaggeration about their living shaykhs, and their attachment to shrines and graves, where they pray and circumambulate the graves and make vows to them, and other well-known practices of theirs.

Because of these matters, the correct approach now is to warn against them with no reservations. This is what was agreed upon by the Standing Committee in their answer to a question about the ruling on the Sufi tareeqahs that exist nowadays. They said:

Usually those that are called Sufis nowadays follow bid’ahs (innovations) that constitute shirk, as well as other kinds of bid’ah, such as when some of them say “Madad ya sayyid (Help, O Master)”, and call upon the qutubs (“holy men”), and recite dhikr in unison using names by Allaah has not called Himself, like saying “Huw, Huw (He, He)” and “Ah, Ah (a contraction of the word ‘Allaah’)”. Whoever reads their books will be aware of many of their innovations that constitute shirk, and other evils.

From islamqa.com
 

JenGiove

Junior Member
Steve,
Hi and welcome to TTI. Am I Muslim? Nope, just an American seeking to learn more about the reality of Islam and the people who are Muslim instead of learning about it through the newspapers and TV.

You will find that Sufism and Islam are not complimentery topics here. This place is more fundimental than Sufism and people here don't speak about it. That's ok though because you learn alot about something sometimes by not speaking about it....

It makes sense in my own head..lol.

Stay, learn about Islam here and learn about Sufism somewhere else. I don't know much about it so I can't judge one way or another. Just remember where you are and the feelings of the people here who live in a world drasticly different from our own.

Salam
 

BrotherInIslam7

La Illaha Illa Allah
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Is the practice of dhikr recommended for all Muslims, or just Sufis? How do most people here feel about Sufism? Is it considered heretical? Is it something that interests most Muslims?

Dhikr is recommended for all muslims. It is recommended for us to recite various supplication is the morning, evening and before sleeping, upon waking etc. And in general, we are encouraged to be in remembrance of Allah Almighty by Dhikr as much as we can during the day and night.

Allah Almighty motivates us by mentioning the various virtues of certain Dhikr through the Quran and the Sunnah (recorded traditions of the Prophet PBUH).

For example :-

Allah's Messenger (SAW) said: Whoever says:

Subhaanallaahi wa bihamdihi.

Glorified is Allah and praised is He.

one hundred times a day, will have his sins forgiven even if they are like the foam of the sea.

Reference: Al-Bukhari 7/168, Muslim 4/2071


Mainstream muslims who stick to the teachings of Quran and Sunnah are known as 'Sunnis'. Therefore, it is incorrect to mention that Dhikr is only promoted or practiced by 'soofees'.

Soofees outwardly call people towards a high degree of asceticism (which is against the teachings of Islam). However, if their religious beliefs and teachings are to be examined, most of them clash with the teachings of Quran and the Sunnah.

Some of the beliefs held by them such as 'Wahdat ul Wujood'/'Wahdat ul Shuhoot' actually nullify Islam and a person who believes in this, doesn't understand the correct meaning of 'La Illaha Illa Allah' (which is the core belief in Islam and primary pillar of Islam).

The soofees are usually cunning and devious people who attract common folk though outward show of *supposed* piety, spirituality and god consciousness. However, if someone has a good sound understanding in the basics of Islam, he/she can easily see the clear deviations and corruption both in beliefs and religious observations (rituals).

Please ask us if you have any more questions regarding this sect or any other aspects of Islam.

Welcome to TTI ! I hope you find this web forum as beneficial as it has been to me.
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
The soofees are usually cunning and devious people who attract common folk though outward show of *supposed* piety, spirituality and god consciousness. However, if someone has a good sound understanding in the basics of Islam, he/she can easily see the clear deviations and corruption both in beliefs and religious observations (rituals).

:salam2:
I'll add some
Some of them believe that Allah manifests himself in some of His creatures

Welcome Steve to TTI hope you learn more here and gain the right knowledge which leads to the right path of Islam.
 

stavros_388

New Member
Thank you all for your replies. I was not aware of this feeling regarding the Sufis within Islam. Forgive my ignorance, and I certainly don't mean to offend anyone. I really am new to Islam.

So is the repeated invocation of the Name of God a basic feature of Islam, then?

>Getting close to God and experiencing His love, on the other hand, is the ultimate aim of Islamic rituals.

Thanks Ayman1. That certainly is along the lines of my interest! The Christian saints and Sufis are supposedly intoxicated with God's love. Are there any Muslim mystics that are universally appreciated? For example, Shaikh Ahmad Al-Alawi or Al Ghazali? Are saints recognized in Islam?

Humbly,
Steve
 

JenGiove

Junior Member
Thank you all for your replies. I was not aware of this feeling regarding the Sufis within Islam. Forgive my ignorance, and I certainly don't mean to offend anyone. I really am new to Islam.

We all start somewhere...you are starting with a well foot... :)
So is the repeated invocation of the Name of God a basic feature of Islam, then?

Do you mean "Inshallah/In Sha Allah....OOOOH yeah! it just means "God willing"...everything comes at his will...we have no control over our lives except to strive to please him. There is also the blessing to Mohammad (pbuh=peace be upon him) and several others that I'm still learning. Enjoy your copy/paste fingers! lol! You can either check out the word in google or use http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/ at least here you can HEAR the word as well as understand the basic meaning.


Enjoy your Islamic Quest...:) ...and hold on!
 

IHearIslam

make dua 4 ma finals
Hello Brother Steve....I hope you enjoy and benefit from your stay here. You've come to the right place to learn the truth from falsehood. I ask God to bless your soul with nothing BUT the truth and I ask God to give you the guidance your heart is looking for. Ameen
I was not aware of this feeling regarding the Sufis within Islam. Forgive my ignorance, and I certainly don't mean to offend anyone.
You're fine...there is no "feeling" actually, we're glad you're seeking the truth of this sect and you want to know of their beliefs. You certainly have not offended anybody, questioning is not offending...it's simply trying to learn what we're lacking of knowledge, so dont worry.

I really have a limitted knowledge about the diviated sects in Islam. I advice you to focus your learning only on the Qur'an and the Sunnah (traditions of the prophet peace and blessings be upon him) upon the understanding of the pious predecessors.....e.g His companions and those who followed them.

If you study Sufism closly you'll see where they diviate from the truth....Insha'Allaah (God willing) I am going to post something here and hopefully you'll learn from it as I have learned.

Note that we Muslims do NOT condenm all the SUFIS......we only condenm and warn agains those who call upon other than Allaah (God almighty)....for all Muslims should refrain from directing their worship to other than Allaah, thus we encourage Tawhid (Monothiasm) and warn against shirk (polythiesm or associating partners with Allaah).

I hope I make sense......if I said anything good, indeed it's from Allaah and if I said anthing wrong indeed it's from my soul and I ask Allaah's forgiveness.

All praise and thanks is due to Allaah alone.
 

IHearIslam

make dua 4 ma finals
I copy pasted this from another thread:

What is the place of sufism in Islam? What truth is there in 'religious experiences', contacts with the Divine, etc.? Some people hold such phenomena in high regard, claiming the similarities between experiences of people from different religions and from opposite corners of the globe, to be proof. How should people who claim to be sufis or believers/followers of sufism be seen? Isn't prayer and remembrance also a form of contact with the Almighty, SWT?

Praise be to Allaah.

The word “Sufism” was not known at the time of the Messenger or the Sahaabah or the Taabi’een. It arose at the time when a group of ascetics who wore wool (“soof”) emerged, and this name was given to them. It was also said that the name was taken from the word “soofiya” (“sophia”) which means “wisdom” in Greek. The word is not derived from al-safa’ (“purity”) as some of them claim, because the adjective derived from safa’ is safaa’i, not soofi (sufi). The emergence of this new name and the group to whom it is applied exacerbated the divisions among Muslims. The early Sufis differed from the later Sufis who spread bid’ah (innovation) to a greater extent and made shirk in both minor and major forms commonplace among the people, as well as the innovations against which the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned us when he said, “Beware of newly-invented things, for every newly-invented thing is an innovation and every innovation is a going-astray.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who said it is saheeh hasan).

The following is a comparison between the beliefs and rituals of Sufism and Islam which is based on the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

Sufism has numerous branches or tareeqahs, such as the Teejaniyyah, Qaadiriyyah, Naqshbandiyyah, Shaadhiliyyah, Rifaa’iyyah, etc., the followers of which all claim that their particular tareeqah is on the path of truth whilst the others are following falsehood. Islam forbids such sectarianism. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and be not of al-mushrikoon (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, polytheists, idolaters, etc),

Of those who split up their religion (i.e., who left the true Islamic monotheism), and became sects, [i.e., they invented new things in the religion (bid’ah) and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.” [al-Room 30:31-32]

The Sufis worship others than Allaah, such as Prophets and “awliya’” [“saints”], living or dead. They say, “Yaa Jeelaani”, “Yaa Rifaa’i” [calling on their awliya’], or “O Messenger of Allaah, help and save” or “O Messenger of Allaah, our dependence is on you”, etc.

But Allaah forbids us to call on anyone except Him in matters that are beyond the person's capabilities. If a person does this, Allaah will count him as a mushrik, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And invoke not, besides Allaah, any that will neither profit you, nor hurt you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers).” [Yoonus 10:106]

The Sufis believe that there are abdaal, aqtaab and awliya’ (kinds of “saints”) to whom Allaah has given the power to run the affairs of the universe. Allaah tells us about the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say [O Muhammad]: ‘…And who disposes the affairs?’ They will say. ‘Allaah.’…” [Yoonus 10:31]

The mushrik Arabs knew more about Allaah than these Sufis!

The Sufis turn to other than Allaah when calamity strikes, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if Allaah touches you with harm, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with good, then He is Able to do all things.” [al-An’aam 6:17]

Some Sufis believe in wahdat al-wujood (unity of existence). They do not have the idea of a Creator and His creation, instead they say that everything is creation and everything is god.

The Sufis advocate extreme asceticism in this life and do not believe in taking the necessary means or in jihaad, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“But seek with that (wealth) which Allaah has bestowed on you, the home of the Hereafter, and forget not your portion of legal enjoyment in this world…” [al-Qasas 28:77]

“And make ready against them all that you can of power…” [al-Anfaal 8:60]

The Sufis refer the idea of ihsaan to their shaykhs and tell their followers to have a picture of their shaykh in mind when they remember Allaah and even when they are praying. Some of them even put a picture of their shaykh in front of them when they are praying. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Ihsaan is when you worship Allaah as if you can see Him, and although you cannot see Him, He can see you.” (Reported by Muslim).

The Sufis allow dancing, drums and musical instruments, and raising the voice when making dhikr, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The believers are only those who, when Allaah is mentioned, feel a fear in their hearts…” [al-Anfaal 8:2]

Moreover, you see some of them making dhikr by only pronouncing the Name of Allaah, saying, “Allaah, Allaah, Allaah.” This is bid’ah and has no meaning in Islam. They even go to the extreme of saying, “Ah, ah” or “Hu, Hu.” The Sunnah is for the Muslim to remember his Lord in words that have a true meaning for which he will be rewarded, such as saying Subhaan Allaah wa Alhamdulillah wa Laa ilaaha illa Allaah wa Allaahu akbar, and so on.

The Sufis recite love poems mentioning the names of women and boys in their dhikr gatherings, and they repeat words such as “love”, “passion”, “desire” and so on, as if they are in a gathering where people dance and drink wine and clap and shout. All of this has to do with the customs and acts of worship of the mushrikeen. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Their salaah (prayer) at the House (of Allaah, i.e., the Ka’bah at Makkah) was nothing but whistling and clapping of hands…”

[al-Anfaal 8:35]

Some Sufis pierce themselves with rods of iron, saying, “O my grandfather!” So the shayaateen come to them and help them, because they are seeking the help of someone other than Allaah . Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whosoever turns away (blinds himself) from the remembrance of the Most Beneficent (Allaah), We appoint for him a shaytaan (devil) to be a qareen (intimate companion) for him.”

[al-Zukhruf 43:36]

The Sufis claim to have gnosis and knowledge of the unseen, but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: ‘None in the heavens and the earth knows the ghayb (unseen) except Allaah…’” [al-Naml 27:65]

The Sufis claim that Allaah created the world for the sake of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And I (Allaah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone).” [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, addressed His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the words (interpretation of the meaning):

“And worship your Lord until there comes unto the certainty (i.e., death).” [al-Hijr 15:99]

The Sufis claim that they can see Allaah in this life, but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“[Moosa said:] ‘O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You.’ Allaah said, ‘You cannot see Me…’” [al-A’raaf 7:143]

The Sufis claim that they take knowledge directly from Allaah, without the mediation of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and in a conscious state (as opposed to dreams). So are they better than the Sahaabah??

The Sufis claim that they take knowledge directly from Allaah, without the mediation of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They say, “Haddathani qalbi ‘an Rabbi (My heart told me from my Lord).”

The Sufis celebrate Mawlid and hold gatherings for sending blessings on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but they go against his teachings by raising their voices in dhikr and anaasheed (religious songs) and qaseedahs (poems) that contain blatant shirk. Did the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) celebrate his birthday? Did Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthman, ‘Ali, the four imaams or anyone else celebrate his birthday? Who knows more and is more correct in worship, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Salaf, or the Sufis?

The Sufis travel to visit graves and seek blessings from their occupants or to make tawaaf (ritual circumambulation) around them or to make sacrifices at these sites, all of which goes against the teachings of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Do not travel to visit any place but three mosques: al-Masjid al-Haraam [in Makkah], this mosque of mine [in Madeenah] and al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].” (Agreed upon).

The Sufis are blindly loyal to their shaykhs, even when what they go against the words of Allaah and His Messenger. But Allaah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allaah and His Messenger…” [al-Hujuraat 49:1]

The Sufis use talismans, letters and numbers for making decisions and for making amulets and charms and so on.

The Sufis do not restrict themselves to the specific blessings on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that were narrated from him. They invented new formulas that involve seeking his blessings and other kinds of blatant shirk which are unacceptable to the one on whom they are sending blessings.

With regard to the question of the whether the Sufi shaykhs have some kind of contact, this is true, but their contact is with the shayaateen, not with Allaah, so they inspire one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception), as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies – shayaateen (devils) among mankind and jinns, inspiring one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception). If your Lord had so willed, they would not have done it…” [al-An’aam 6:112]

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… And, certainly, the shayaateen (devils) do inspire their friends (from mankind)…” [al-An’aam 6:121]

“Shall I inform you (O people!) upon whom the shayaateen (devils) descend?

They descend on every lying, sinful person.” [al-Shu’ara 221-222]

This is the contact that is real, not the contact that they falsely claim to have with Allaah. Exalted be Allaah far above that. (See Mu’jam al-Bida’, 346 –359).

When some of these Sufi shaykhs disappear suddenly from the sight of their followers, this is the result of their contact with the shayaateen, who may even carry them to a distant place and bring them back in the same day or night, to mislead their human followers.

So the important rule here is not to judge people by the extraordinary feats that they may do. We should judge them by how closely or otherwise they adhere to the Qur’aan and Sunnah. The true friends of Allaah (awliya’) are not necessarily known for performing astounding feats. On the contrary, they are the ones who worship Allaah in the manner that He has prescribed, and not by doing acts of bid’ah. The true awliya’ or friends of Allaah are those whom our Lord has described in the hadeeth qudsi narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh (5/2384) from Abu Hurayrah, who said:

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah said, ‘Whoever shows enmity towards a friend (wali) of Mine, I declare war against him. My slave does not draw close to Me with anything more loved by Me than the religious duties that I have enjoined on him, and My slave continues to draw close to Me with supererogatory (naafil) acts, so that I will love him. When I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it.’”

And Allaah is the Source of Strength and the Guide to the Straight Path.


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
 

queenislam

★★★I LOVE ALLAH★★★
Allah swt Knows Best!

My name is Steve. I am very interested in Islam now. I have been a religious seeker for many, many years, and even became an Eastern Orthodox Christian 3 years ago. However, I keep stumbling over the Atonement theory, the Incarnation, and the Trinity. The principle of tawhid appeals to me so much, as does having a direct connection to God without needing intermediaries (eg the priesthood). The Oneness of God seems an essential religious tenet to me now, and nowhere in Christianity is this really taught (except maybe Arianism, or the Jehovah's Witnesses... no thanks).

As an esoterist, being mystically inclined by nature, I wonder how most Muslims feel about Sufism. I know that there are more traditional Sufi orders, grounded in the Quran and Islam, and psuedo-Islamic Sufi orders, which I feel inclined to stay way from. I originally became an Orthodox Christian primarily because of theosis, the principle of achieving oneness with God or participating in the life and energies of God. There are hesychasts, particularly on Mount Athos, who live very ascetic lives and who invoke the name of Jesus Christ as a practice (called Prayer of the Heart). They're the Christians who've made me want to be one! However, as I've said, I've been intellectually stymied due to theological and doctrinal issues.

Is the practice of dhikr recommended for all Muslims, or just Sufis? How do most people here feel about Sufism? Is it considered heretical? Is it something that interests most Muslims?

Thank you,
Steve

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:bismillah:
:salam2:
To my brothers and sisters in Islam

:ma:
May Allah swt reward the help that my brothers and sisters has extend ~Amin!

Hi steve
Welcome To TTI.
I see that you are interested in Islam as i understand you have search n find Islam is beautiful and logical~:ma:
Alhamdulillah!

So if you want to learn,
know from the start and taking courses step by step will guide and help you to understand Islam wisely.
i suggest you to go personally to the Islamic council in your country and ask them about embracing Islam since you are keen and serious i don't see any reason you to wait.

:ma:
You will catching up fast insya allah!

Islam is easy .

Will the force be with you???
You have to make the decision Steve :)

we will see about that insya allah!

Until we meet again,
Thank you,
Take Care!

~Wassalam :)
 

AZAM_SIDDIQUI

Junior Member
all i know brother from my studiesis sufism is disliked because of deviations and extremity ofcourse nowadays the sufis are a brand of islam that is like yoga in hinduism a practice -u know like meditation .
but islam is much more if taking jihad and only jihad and making it the whole islam is wrong then so is taking dhikr and calling it islam.

there is joy and ecstasy in Almightys name - but where He is Al WADUD He is also Al Qahar.

some ppl let loose of their reasonong and do dhikr and loose their mind.like sufis who have exclaimed how great am i! in outbursts of trance

compare this with the balance of the Prophet saw who said in the middle of the night while his forehead rubbed against the ground in prostration and his voice choked with the awe and love of Allah " i seek refuge in Your Mercy from Your Wrath"

http://www.scribd.com/full/39048766?access_key=key-1h2t39ffiv0nip0toalf
 

AZAM_SIDDIQUI

Junior Member
christianity the niceties are there but the basics are gone - what remains is confusion which is justified under the no questions policy of faith,
if you visit www.thedeenshow.com you will hear convincing arguments of the preachers who accepted islam because of its soundness and integrity compared to the theological acrobatics they had to do to justify and explain christianity to the people who ask.

please bear in mind brother if its the truth it must appeal to heart and mind . it has to be both easy to understand and implement.and should leave one thristing for more ..
 

a_stranger

Junior Member
a reminder

peace to all

Since the start of creation Satan (Shaytan) is playing a dirty role in deviating hearts of creatures from their creator, I believe Quran and Sunna if studied with sincerity can clearify the mist and full our hearts with a very clear bright knoweldge who is our creator and what is his beautifull most perfect attributes. Many lost their way because instead of learning from the messenger :saw2: who was sent used their bare weak minds and just make false theories who is the creator and how to come closer. I think this is the gravest mistake any human can do (to ignore the heavenly teachings) .......Quarn and Sunna can give any human a true clear knoweldge who is Allah sobhanahu wa taala and how to come closer to Allah . Sickness i hearts make us miss the beauty of the truth ....we humans should come with pure eager hearts seeking the truth:

إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَذِكْرَى لِمَن كَانَ لَهُ قَلْبٌ أَوْ أَلْقَى السَّمْعَ وَهُوَ شَهِيدٌ (50:37)



50:37 (Asad) In this, behold, there is indeed a reminder for everyone whose heart is wide-awake -that is, [every*!one who] lends ear with a conscious mind
 

arzafar

Junior Member
look it's very simple

Islam = quran and sunnah (deeds and words of the prophet Muhammd pbuh) AS UNDERSTOOD BY THE EARLY FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM (i.e. the first 3 generations of Muslims)

however nowadays there are so many sects so the above description itself has become a sect.

but you shouldnt worry about those things. you should practice or at least try to practice islam the way the very early followers used to. that's the key!
 

Azlankhalili

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APPROACHING ISLAM - SUFISM

Dear Steve,

Sufism is part and parcel of Islam. To do Zikir Allah is an ordaination from Allah in the Qur'an....Sufi orders or the tariqah exist to exemplify this ordaination into practice...

I am glad that you are interested in Sufism, and may be this path bring you to Islam, that is saying the Shahadah..."There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger".....

I am practictioner of the Tariqah, but I understand Islam as a complete way of life, including politics, statemenship, governance and law etc...

In the West, I would advice you to read the writings of Noah Ha Miim Keller, an Amercian convert who is also an Islamic scholar and a master of the Shadhiliyah Order....

You may ve interested to read other scholars like Imam Hasan al Banna of the Ikhwan al Muslimin, as well Abul Hasan ALi Nadwi of India...their ideas appeal to the modern man...

Welcome to Islam...you may want to write a personal e-mail to ma which is pm_aks*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!......

Dr. Azlan Khalili Shamsuddin of Malaysia
 
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