distrubing question

saima abdullah

my life iz 4 Allah
:salam2:
after reading hot debates between my two respected brothers last night... about creed..
may questions captivated my mind n i couldn't sleep....
plz these are serious question,,, m just doing them to be clear, plz don't put any thing which end it on locked thread...

my parents are Whaabi or ahl-e-hadith, but i never took it serious i just consider myself just a Muslim,,, (huwa sammakum muslimeen)...
but m seriously thinking is it necessary to have title,,Whaabi or ahl-e-hadith,?
are whaaabi, salafi and ahl e hadith same?
i read biographies of imams n i have great respect for them is it important to be mukaliid (fallow a imaam)?
i my self always analyse things on Quran and sahih hadith isn't it enough for me?
in fatawa i consult ibne baz, R.A is it right?
plz m looking forward for right and sincere replies
:wasalam:
 
:salam2:

follow the Quran and Sunnah;

be patient,


ask Allah subhanna wata3alla, for guidance much.

leave the labeling for the merchandise on the shelf.


:wasalam:
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
:salam2:
after reading hot debates between my two respected brothers last night... about creed..
may questions captivated my mind n i couldn't sleep....
plz these are serious question,,, m just doing them to be clear, plz don't put any thing which end it on locked thread...

my parents are Whaabi or ahl-e-hadith, but i never took it serious i just consider myself just a Muslim,,, (huwa sammakum muslimeen)...
but m seriously thinking is it necessary to have title,,Whaabi or ahl-e-hadith,?
are whaaabi, salafi and ahl e hadith same?
i read biographies of imams n i have great respect for them is it important to be mukaliid (fallow a imaam)?
i my self always analyse things on Quran and sahih hadith isn't it enough for me?
in fatawa i consult ibne baz, R.A is it right?
plz m looking forward for right and sincere replies
:wasalam:


Ruling on saying “I am a Salafi”
I have come to know a person who follows the Salafi da’wah and I have read a book about this movement. I believe that the Salafi da’wah is correct and that those who follow it have the sound ‘aqeedah belief), but there are some matters I want to ask about
How correct is it from an Islamic point of view to use the word “Salafi” and to describe oneself in this way?
If a person says that he is a Salafi, is he praising himself? Is this considered to be dividing the ummah?
If we tell the Sufis that their madhhab is not correct, and that neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his Companions taught it, they will respond that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his Companions did not use the word “Salafi” either, so how should we reply to them?

Praise be to Allaah.

We can answer this question with the following points:

Each person is obliged to follow the guidance of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions. This is the way of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah and the followers of the righteous predecessors (al-salaf al-saalih). Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘This is my way; I invite unto Allaah with sure knowledge, I and whosoever follows me with sure knowledge. And Glorified and Exalted be Allaah (above all that they associate as partners with Him). And I am not of the mushrikeen (polytheists… those who worship others along with Allaah or set up rivals or partners to Allaah).” [Yoosuf 12:108]

“And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers’ way, We shall keep him in the oath he has chosen, and burn him in Hell – what an evil destination!” [al-Nisa’ 4:115]

Whoever follows the way of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) belongs to the salaf al-saalih, even if the people call him something else; by the same token, whoever goes against it and deviates from the Sunnah is an innovator, even if he claims to be a Salafi.

If a person calls himself a Salafi to express his gratitude for having been guided to this way, or to clearly distinguish himself from innovation, then this is OK and is allowed in Islam. But if he says it only for the purpose of praising himself, then this is not allowed, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… therefore justify not yourselves…” [al-Najm 53:32 – Yusuf ‘Ali’s translation]. Similarly, it is not allowed if it is said in a spirit of tribalism or sectarianism, because such attitudes are forbidden, as is clear from the following story: Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah said: “A man from the Muhaajireen shoved a man from the Ansaar from behind, so each man’s people gathered around him, saying ‘O Muhaajireen (come and help)!’ or ‘O Ansaar (come and help)!’ News of this reached the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said, ‘Stop this, for it is repulsive.’ Then he said, ‘What is this call of the people of jaahiliyyah? What is this call of the people of jaahiliyyah?’” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 14105; the hadeeth is also to be found in al-Saheehayn). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called it the call of the people of jaahiliyyah and described it as repulsive, even though the words “Ansaari” and “Muhaajiri” are Islamic words, the first referring to those who supported Allaah and His Messenger, and the second referring to those who left the land of kufr and migrated to Allaah and His Messenger. Why were they described in this manner? Because in this instance, the words were not used in a permissible fashion; the usage was a sectarian and political one that could have led to fighting between the two groups. The same applies to the word “Salafi”.

If the Ahl al-Sunnah and the salaf draw a line between themselves and the innovators, this is not considered to be dividing the ummah, as those who criticize the use of this word think is the case, but this distancing of oneself has to be done in accordance with the degree of bid’ah – whether it is major or minor – and should be regulated by the overall interests of the Islamic da’wah.

The Sufi claims mentioned in the question are not valid. The denunciation is not merely because of the word “Sufi”, which is a general word that may be applied to things approved of in Islam, such as asceticism (zuhd) and fear of Allaah, or it may be applied to innovations such as monasticism and extremism. Rather the denunciation is because of the various types of shirk, major and minor, that are connected with Sufism and its tareeqahs. The word Tasawwuf (Sufism) now refers to the Sufi tareeqahs and the kinds of innovations they have. Sufism – as is obvious from their books and how Sufis actually are – includes deviant ideas of kufr, such as hulool (incarnation or the belief that the Creator may be indwelling in His creation – exalted be Allaah above what they say), ittihaad (union) and wahdat al-wujood (pantheism or the unity of existence, which is the belief that the Creator and His creation are the same thing, and that everything in existence is Allaah – exalted be Allaah above what they say), and going to extremes in what they say about the awliya’, in addition to their innovations in the matter of acts of worship and awraad (du’aa’s).

The one who is seeking salvation has to work hard to gain beneficial knowledge and do righteous deeds, and he should avoid vain arguments and futile discussions in which there is no benefit.

We ask Allaah to help us and you to follow the truth and act upon it. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
:salam2: SIster,


Just wanted to add.

There is differnce between calling Salafi, Ahl E Hadith or Ahl Ul Hadith. Ahl Us Sunnah and Wahhabi.

Unlike above titles "Wahhabi" is a derogatory title given first by the British to the Muslims in India who were upon Quran and Sunnah.

No Muslim group/organization calls themselves Wahhabi.

Please search TTI for info on this.

:wasalam:
 

Nayyararsi

Kashmiri Brother
:salam2:
after reading hot debates between my two respected brothers last night... about creed..
may questions captivated my mind n i couldn't sleep....
plz these are serious question,,, m just doing them to be clear, plz don't put any thing which end it on locked thread...

my parents are Whaabi or ahl-e-hadith, but i never took it serious i just consider myself just a Muslim,,, (huwa sammakum muslimeen)...
but m seriously thinking is it necessary to have title,,Whaabi or ahl-e-hadith,?
are whaaabi, salafi and ahl e hadith same?
i read biographies of imams n i have great respect for them is it important to be mukaliid (fallow a imaam)?
i my self always analyse things on Quran and sahih hadith isn't it enough for me?
in fatawa i consult ibne baz, R.A is it right?
plz m looking forward for right and sincere replies
:wasalam:

ASSALAMUALAIKUM SISTER

Allah says in the QURAN:

And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allâh (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allâh's (Islâmic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims. Surah: 41 Aya: 33

So we should better call ourselves muslims than give labels as it can cause division.

Regarding the three groups yes they are all same just different names.Ahle Hadith is mainly confined to Asia.If you go to Saudi there people dont know Ahle Hadith for them it is Salafi.

It is not allowed to be a muqallid as all the four IMAAMS(MAY ALLAHS MERCY BE ON THEM)themselves said that if you find any of our fatwa going against Allah and his Messenger(PEACE BE UPON HIM) throw it on the wall so their Madhab(way) was nothing but the sahih hadith.So what is your way sister is exactly what all these four IMAAMS(MAY ALLAHS MERCY BE ON THEM) wanted all the people to follow.

In fatwa following Ibn Baaz is good as he is the scholar who strictly adheres to QURAN AND SUNNAH.However you can follow others as well like sheikh albani,Ibn taymiyyah((MAY ALLAHS MERCY BE ON HIM)etc. who all were the stalwarts of their time.

I myself was in the trauma like you are today until i heard the lecture of Dr Zakir ,"UNITY OF MUSLIM UMMAH".After hearing the lecture all my doubts vanished.You can download here:

http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readislam/zakir/unity1.ram
http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readislam/zakir/unity2.ram
http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readislam/zakir/unity3.ram
http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readislam/zakir/unity4.ram
 

IbnAdam77

Travelling towards my grave.
wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh my dera respected sister in Islam.

I am not aware of any debates last night and truly I do not know who where the people participated. Plus, I am not interested to know also. (Therefore please any body do not recall it).

As per your question, we need to refer Quran and Sunnah in its pure form as 'Ulama explained them to us, in every disagreement between us. Not in any way we want to take the meanings and if we do, it is not a small thing in the Meezan of Allah. He (subuhaanahu wata'aala) says in the Holy Quran, "O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Apostle, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end".[4.59]

We are not allowed to give our own Fatwas on the Issues of Islam. It should be made by 'Ulama.

It is true in these days many people (Muslims) are tagged as Wahhabis, Super Salafis etc etc. Some are there who calls themselves with those names and some are there who others call them those names although they strongly disagree. We are not commanded from Allah to follow any sect, but we are commanded to follow the truth which came from rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam). When some body has a beard or when some one wears Niqab, people start calling them as Wahhabis in some of the societies (including mine). Most of the people in this Ummah today is sadly not aware of (or should I say not practicing purposely?) the Pure Sunnah of Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam). So they unknowingly mock the people who try to follow the truth. Ultimately, they are mocking to the Sunnah of Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wsallam), which will make them Apostates according to the 'Ulama. Subuhaanallah! Still they are not even aware of it, while calling themselves as Muslims.

There are some people who says other than their sect, all the others are Kaafir. :astag: Also there are some sects which says, when a person enters Islam, then no Apostasy will come. :astag: And many many more.

Truth is truth and we cannot change it. Quran and Sunnah is truth and we need to follow them. Not any Madhabs or sects. Four Imams Never said to follow their Madhabs like we do. We have a brain by which Allah made us different from all the other Makhlooqat. Still we are so ignorant.

We know Imams and their great works. We know scholars and their great works. We cannot learn Islam without their help. That is why Islam calls to learn, to teach, to memorise and to ask.

We all need to learn and be firm on the religion of Allah.

Ya Allah! Make is steadfast in your true path and grant us al-Firdausul A'la. Ameen.

wassalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
 

Yateer

Sab'a Sita Ethnain
Asalam Alaykuum,

I myself follow the Salafi Da'wah... Reason being I believe it to be the most correct da'wah. "Wahabi" is a name given to a person who sided with Sheikh Abdul Wahab (May Allah have mercy on him), and the reason why people didn't like him or the people who sided with him is because they were eliminating bid'ah (innovation) in our religion. You can say that Sheikh Abdul Wahab was giving the Salafi Da'wah, and another reason why people didn't like this type of da'wah is because people had become to accustomed to the bid'ah they were doing, and refused to admit that they were wrong. I myself, just recently started following the Salafi Da'wah (4-5 years ago) and my personal view is that it is beautiful. (And wahabi is a derogatory word, and it should not be said to anyone).

Wasalam Alaykuum.
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
Wow! Full salafi support here . I can show you how incorrect salafis are but iam sure they wont let this post nor me here at TTI.

why against salafi? just bcoz they forbid grave-worshipping or becoz they dislike celebrating mawlid?

these things never happened in first 3 muslim generations- the best ones.
 

saima abdullah

my life iz 4 Allah
:salam2: sister i am interested to know, how do you do this.
wsalam wr wb
brother i have learned a little about ilmul hadith (formal education),,, though a very little but some how i know a bit how to access a hadith ,,, and i think my life don't have such complex issues which i couldn't find its solution in Quran n hadith,,, m a simple person with a 2+2=4 life i have all my solution within my book
wsalam wr wb
 

saima abdullah

my life iz 4 Allah
Wow! Full salafi support here . I can show you how incorrect salafis are but iam sure they wont let this post nor me here at TTI.
asalam o alykum
brother what so ever group which incline towards touheed is acceptable, which drag toward shirk is not acceptable,,,, though i came to a conculsion that i will not title my self with any one but salafi n aheele hadith are more incline towards touheed.. their fatawa are acceptable
wsalam wr wb
 

daywalker

Junior Member
Blind following means suppression of mind and heart.
Everyone are more or less making taqleed...blindly!
You are making taqleed if you dont know:

1. Arabic - Because then you are restricted to the traslators interpretation(the reason being that the translator always interprets what a word with sevral meanings have in another language) and a second-hand source.

2. If you are not a muhadith knowing how to classify hadith. For example if you say al-Albani have said this hadith is sahih then you are making taqleed of sh.al-Albanis judgement without you yourself being able to classify the hadith.

3. If you dont know 3ilm al-naseekh wa al-mansookh - the science of abrogation.

And many other points....

My question to you is then....How can he make "research and just dont follow blindly" when he dont have the above mentioned knowledge?
 

saima abdullah

my life iz 4 Allah
again controversial talk ... i recomend this duwa, Alllahumma areenal haqa haqawon warzooqh itibah, wa areenal batila batillan werzooq ijtinabah, wa jall lil mutakeena imaama (i hope i spell it right)
 

a_muslimah86

Hubbi Li Rabbi
Staff member
What's with the Salafi-dissing-trips..*vomited* everywhere on TTI during the last few days???!!!!!!

For the love of Allah

can someone just PLEASE tell me what is WRONG with following THE PEOPLE who understood Islam AS IT IS in its MOST AUTHENTIC and RELIABLE form?!!!..what is WRONG with *anyone* being a keen follower of the first 3 generations of "Muslims" (this includes: After Rasulullah (saaws) of course..the companions, their descendants, and the members of ahlul-bait)

I mean REALLY..aren't we SUPPOSED to do that ANYWAY?!!!

I truly truly TRULY get puzzled when I read someone attacking Salafis like their lives depends on it!


I am not a Salafi..per say..and when I feel I need to claim an "identification" I say I am a Sunni..because when you follow the Sunnah (in a sound manner!)..you automatically follow the Qura'an as well..and thus your Islam is *whole* in belief and practice (should you spend the time learning and education yourself of course)

BUT

I *never* get satisfied about a fatwa..an issue of fiqh..a practice of deen..et cetra..UNTIL..I find a source citing *credible* and *authentic* sources from *the salaf*...because I know they possessed a knowledge that is dense and even in their difference with other interpretations and verdicts..they gave *daleels* in an almost pro and/or con manner for *review* and *further analyzation*..so again *their* approach to implementing knowledge is *whole*..and even if "mistakes" or "misjudgements" are present in their views (which is inevitable since they are people just like us!)..then they are addressed and researched out in the open..so at the end *we* have the *tangible* and *complete* information to base our convictions and understanding in regards to any issue we're looking into

Sister Saima you mentioned a point which I thought was of high value..you said:

what so ever group which incline towards touheed is acceptable, which drag toward shirk is not acceptable,,,, though i came to a conculsion that i will not title my self with any one but salafi n aheele hadith are more incline towards touheed.. their fatawa are acceptable

and I would like to say that you put the block right where it belongs with that statement..as our *reference* to the *correctness* or *corruption* of any Islamic concept should be *TAWHEED*..described by the supplementary sources nondetachable from each other which are the:

*The Qura'an* and *The Sunnah* (specifically *hadiths*)

On another note..

In real life and on the web..I am beginning to observe a *very concrete* pattern in the *Salafiphobia* out there...the people who gasp..start to hyperventilate..and their blood pressure shoots WAY UP..and begin to tremble from head to toe upon hearing the word *Salafi*..ALWAYS have some very fundamental things in common with each other..sobhanallah!..it's stance provoking I must say..as it sends some very *big signals*

:wasalam:
 

Muhammad Saleh

Junior Member
:salam2:

i dont know why people want to be identified as salafis, sunnis, wahabis etc. what could be more beautiful word to identify yourself than muslim. chosing different labels would only cause division in ummah. what makes us change the name Allah has chosen for us? can a sunni justify his label from sunnah or a salafi from the teachings of salafs? i am not against methodology of salafis but i dont see any reason why should anyone label himself as a salafi.

Surah Al Imran, Ayah:64. Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."

Surah Al Imran, Ayah:67. Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrik.

Allah is the protector of His religon. wehenever muslims in general have become neglectful about their obligations towards Allah and overlooked any important aspect of the religon then a sect was created to perserve the true spirit of islam. every sect primarily focuses on only one aspect of the religon. majority of the sects were created in koofa and basra. these were mlti- ethnic cities established by Hazrat umar may be pleased with him. when ummyad rulers discriminated non arabs mainly persians. they used the rasicms against these arab rulers by using the family of Muhammad (PBUH) and instigated people for rebellion against ummayds. likewise, when muslims in general became apolitical, khawarij gained popularity. history repeats itself, now that we muslims in general think that to remain apolitical is the most righteous thing a muslim can do then we are left at the mercy of Al Qaeda. the agenda of the AlQaeda as we all know is political.

i hope i wont be banned. i love TTI and want to stay here. :)


:wasalam:
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
:salam2:

There are many articles on TTI on what is Salafi Dawah, don't try to confuse others.

People have this concept that since salafis are away frsom shirk and bidah, they do every thing right and do who hate salafis, they support shirk and bidah. This is TOTALLY wrong.

Salafi Dawah and those who oppose it



Yes they donot do Shirk and bidah and follow Islaam according to understanding of Sahaba.

As for those who hate Salafi Dawah which is going back to understanding of Islaam on the basis of Quran and Sunnah according to understanding of Salaf.

Then what can we expect from them? How can they hate such a Dawah and yet not have Shirk and/or bidah in them ?

Lets Look around the organizations who oppose Salafi Dawah and see if they really don't have Shirk and Bidah in them, I will list a couple of them:

1. Barelvis <-- Grave worshipping, their founder Ahmad Raza was a Shia and wrote poetry against Ayesh Radi Allahu Naha.
Source --> Book "Barelviya" by Shaykh Ehsaan Elahi Zaheer.

2. Deobandis <-- Extreme Sufis, Also grave worshipping but not openly. Their Imaams like Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Mehmood Ul Hasan Deobandi, Zakariya Kandhelvi propogate Shirk in their writings. No wonder Barelvis don't understand why Deobandis oppose them!

A) Refer this book "Jamaat Tableegh and the Deobandis, A ctritical Analysis of their beliefs" to get the refernces of Deobandi frolics
Link--> http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28339

B) Also, refer the following audio lecture in urdu of Dr. Murtaza Baksh, student of Shaykh Fawzan Hafidulah, Shaykh Ubayd Hafidulah and students of Shaykh Uthaymeen Rahimulah and Shaykh Muhsin Al Abbad Hafidahulah.
"A Call to Contemplate - Refutation of the Deobandi Sect" by Dr. Murtaza Baksh
Link --> http://www.asliahlesunnet.com/?url=list&type=audio&cat=rudud&page=3


And as far as following an imam is concerned, i dont know which imam has taught us shirk. Blind following , blind following! Do we have eyes? Do we have enough knowledge as compare to them? How can we challenge their knowledege? Stupid statements!

Position of Salafis on the Imaams

1. Salafis donot believe that Imaams taught Shirk.
2. Salafis donot criticise the Aqeedah of any of the Imaams.
>> IF you disagree, present us a proof.

Deobandis and Hanafi Aqeedah

Yes, but Imaams of the Deobandis and Barelvis have taught Shirk.

hey call themselves Hanafi, yet propogate Aqeedah which totally against the Aqeedah of the Imaams.

Imaams of Deobandis like Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Zakariya Kandhelvi, Mahmood Ul Hasan Doebandi and their crew were all Sufis with dodgy Aqeedah.


Just one example to show that they have nothing to do with Aqeedah on Imaam Abu Hanifa Rahimuhullah.

They praise person like Mansoor Al Hallaj who had been declared Kaaifr by Student of Imaam Abu Hanifa Rahimullah and ordered to be executed for his dodgy Aqeedah.

These Imaams of Deoband praise him and yet call themselves Hanafis!


In fact Deobandis are Matooridi in their Aqeedah.

The books of praising such filthy Sufis (like Mansoor Al Hallaj and Ibn Arabi)are read by Deobandis even today and they giive titles like "Shaykh E Akbar" "The Greatest Shaykh" to them!

:salam2:

:wasalam:
 

IbnAdam77

Travelling towards my grave.
Give me the meaning pls...

assalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh brother

Here is the meaning of that du'a. The last part of du'a I know is little different from sister's one.

Allahumma arinal-haqqa haqqan warzuqnat-tiba'ah, wa arinal-batila batilan warzuqnaj-tinabah, bi rahmatika ya arhamar-rahimeen.

O Allah! Let us see the good as good, and bless us with following it. And show us the falsehood as falsehood, and bless us with staying away from it, with Your mercy, O Most Merciful!


Hope it helped.

wassalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
 
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