drank alcohol(accidently)

ShyHijabi

ShyHijabi

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:salam2:

First of all, never trust wikipedia as a source of true information. It can be edited by ANYONE to say anything.

Secondly, Coca-cola did use cocaine in it's ingredients when it was first formulated. This was before anyone understood the addictive properties associated with the chemical. Now it does not use cocaine and has not for over half a century.

There is this hysteria over the fact that certain forms of acid are used in it. (lke any other carbonated drink) But what people fail to realize is our stomach naturally makes a stronger acid to digest food and the acid content in sodas is very low and has no effect on us or our stomach lining.

Then there is this matter of alcohol. I think people often confuse the chemical term alcohol (which is a naming system based of a specific functional group on the molecule) and the actual alcohol that intoxicates. (such as ethanol or methanol) Certain things are referred to as "Alcohol" in chemistry but do not have the same intoxicating properties as liquor/beer. The "Alcohol" group is used as a solvent and nothing more, it cannot intoxicate.

Anyone here drink or flavor your food with vinegar? It actually has a functional group on it that would make it "Alcohol." But you can drink gallons of it and it will never intoxicate. So we need to have an understanding that just because you see the word "alcohol" does not mean it is haram, it is a chemical naming technique. Now as far as these "non-alcoholic" beers go, they do contain trace amounts of the alcohol deemed haram in Islam. Because they are only trace amounts the companies get away with calling them alcohol free.
 
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omahmed

Sister in Islam
Salaam

Alcohol and traces of cocaine - no wonder I'm addicted!
This recipe sounds so disgusting I wonder how I drink it, though.
I can give it up easily, but my children and husband do drink it - is this halal??
I know there's a cola sold in Saudi - but I don't know anything about the ingredients.
Any more information would be really appreciated!

Salaam
 
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omahmed

Sister in Islam
Salaam

I googled it, and it does seem the above information is dubious. As sister Shyhijabi said, they did use cocaine in the past but not anymore. And it's approved by every country's government as well, including Muslim majority countries. Seems like just an old rumour.
Thanks anyway.

Salaam.
 
ShyHijabi

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
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The reason you are addicted is because it uses lots of sugar and caffiene. The same stuff we have in tea, lol! Soda is one of the leading causes of obesity in the US, that and our sedentary lifestyle mixed with poor dietary habits.

I try to cut back on my soda and drink more water but I am really bad about it. The stuff is horrible for your teeth and not kind to your waist line. There are reasons to avoid it but it has to do with overall health and not about it eating a hole through your stomach or alcohol. (rumors perpetuated about soda)
 
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JenGiove

Junior Member
ShyHijabi said:
:salam2:

First of all, never trust wikipedia as a source of true information. It can be edited by ANYONE to say anything.

Secondly, Coca-cola did use cocaine in it's ingredients when it was first formulated. This was before anyone understood the addictive properties associated with the chemical. Now it does not use cocaine and has not for over half a century.

There is this hysteria over the fact that certain forms of acid are used in it. (lke any other carbonated drink) But what people fail to realize is our stomach naturally makes a stronger acid to digest food and the acid content in sodas is very low and has no effect on us or our stomach lining.

Then there is this matter of alcohol. I think people often confuse the chemical term alcohol (which is a naming system based of a specific functional group on the molecule) and the actual alcohol that intoxicates. (such as ethanol or methanol) Certain things are referred to as "Alcohol" in chemistry but do not have the same intoxicating properties as liquor/beer. The "Alcohol" group is used as a solvent and nothing more, it cannot intoxicate.

Anyone here drink or flavor your food with vinegar? It actually has a functional group on it that would make it "Alcohol." But you can drink gallons of it and it will never intoxicate. So we need to have an understanding that just because you see the word "alcohol" does not mean it is haram, it is a chemical naming technique. Now as far as these "non-alcoholic" beers go, they do contain trace amounts of the alcohol deemed haram in Islam. Because they are only trace amounts the companies get away with calling them alcohol free.
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Salam Sister ShyHijabi,

You are one fast cookie! :) I remember posting something about the stomach and its 3 acids recently but I'm glad you reposted the information. Wikipedia is good if you don't know where to start or the words to use but normally, if there are sources that are cited at the bottom, you can check THOSE sources for their validity and continue your search from there with the terms that you need.

In the first half of the 20th century, there was a swell of charlatans (scam artists) who would peddle miracle cures from how to grow hair to enhancing your manhood...<wait, is it the 20th century or 21st?....I'm lost now! Oh NO!>........sorry. I got off track a bit. Sometimes, those "miracle in a bottle" were the same "medicine". Coca cola was one such thing. So was corn flakes actually! So Coke got its name from the cocaine that it contained, but as Sister Shy said, that's long over. AHHHH, what you didn't know you didn't wanna know about American history. :)

Sister Shy was also correct about the chemical compound known as 'Alcohol'. Alcohol is made up of two organic (naturally occurring) compounds(ingredients), Hydrogen w/ Oxygen(-OH) and Carbon(C). The interesting thing about -OH is how it is formed. They form what's called a "covalent bond", which simply put means that they share a pair of atoms. Its like sharing a part of a house. The hydrogen lives in one part and the Oxygen lives in another but the kitchen and bathroom are community places. What makes up the intoxicating alcohol and the functional alcohol is the difference, and something I don't understand yet either....lol

As for "non-alcoholic" drinks, the defining line is any drink that containes less than 0.5% alcohol by volume.
 
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omahmed

Sister in Islam
Salaam

I always hated organic chemistry! Sugar and caffeine are boring - I liked the alcohol and cocaine idea more. Just kidding, people.

Salaam
 
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JenGiove

Junior Member
I'm not Muslim so......

I'll drink your alcohol for you....in the name of love you know. To save you from the fires....yeah, yeah. Love. That's it!
 
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JenGiove

Junior Member
Oh! of course! Most definitely!

Problem: How to remove excess alcohol?

Hypothesis: Alcohol will turn into turn into simple sugars in the presence of a non-Muslim.

Experiment: Subject "A" ingests the Alcohol orally.

Observation: After a brief period of approximately 30 minutes, subject "A" displays signs of impaired speech and mobility. Cognitive reasoning also seem to be impaired. Emotional stability fragments and social judgment becomes altered to include non-typical behaviours. Physical condition became unstable as well, resulting in loss of hearing, dehydration, vomiting and fecal matter expulsion. Hyper-Activity was also observed in the form of inability to focus on one activity until its completion.

Conclusion: Alcohol resulted in an increase in Blood Glucose Serum levels, providing excessive energy but due to the negative effects upon the body and the surrounding social environment, It is the conclusion of this researcher that alcohol should be banned in communities that require a strict adherence to a certain set of conducts and maturity. Intoxication would most likely be an accepted practice in apathetic societies where the social norms are less dependent on maintaining morality and ethics.
 
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omahmed

Sister in Islam
Hear!hear!
I concur.

PS. I think the tone of this thread has declined considerably - I hope I'm not kicked out.
 
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JenGiove

Junior Member
I think this thread was always a wee bit doomed. I guess this is what happens when you have nothing to do! lol!

IIRC, you are a physician, correct? or is that a different sister?
 
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omahmed

Sister in Islam
SeekingAllah'sMercy - yes, I can be your mama hehe - my daughter's your age actually.

Sister Jen - hehe. Yes, I'm a physician, but currently between jobs. I'd resigned to get my daughter settled into uni - and now just waiting for my papers to be processed. That explains why I'm always here lol. I'm making my son and husband so many bechamel dishes these days they're going to gain 10 kg each by the time I begin work again.

BTW - what does IIRC mean?

"May Allah protect us all from such fitnah.ameen" Ameen, ya Rab.
 
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JenGiove

Junior Member
omahmed said:
SeekingAllah'sMercy - yes, I can be your mama hehe - my daughter's your age actually.

Sister Jen - hehe. Yes, I'm a physician, but currently between jobs. I'd resigned to get my daughter settled into uni - and now just waiting for my papers to be processed. That explains why I'm always here lol. I'm making my son and husband so many bechamel dishes these days they're going to gain 10 kg each by the time I begin work again.

BTW - what does IIRC mean?

"May Allah protect us all from such fitnah.ameen" Ameen, ya Rab.
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1) Which branch of medicine, if I may ask?
2)Which Univ.?
3)What's Bechamel?
4)If I Recall Correctly
 
BrotherInIslam7

BrotherInIslam7

La Illaha Illa Allah
Staff member
omahmed said:
Salaam

I also once bought some jelly crystals here in the UAE from a Spinney's store, and ate a whole packet before noticing there were pork products in the ingredients. But that was my mistake, because I had gone into the pork product section without realising. I had pretty bad diarrhoea after eating it - which I was glad about!

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:wasalam:

Huh !.. That's surprising.

I don't remember them having a pork section about 3-4 years ago. Seems like that they have had some changes.

Also, they should be marking every product that contains pork with a warning sign on it "Contains Pork". If they aren't doing it, they would get in trouble if someone reports them to the authorities.

Spinney's days are numbered anyway, with all the Carrefours and Lulu centres opening all over. They do make some decent lahmacun though, which is prepared in the oven.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi
 
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omahmed

Sister in Islam
Salaam

I was actually a little bit upset when I noticed it, and went back to return the other boxes I'd bought - then I noticed a big sign at the entrance to the area saying "Pork Products" - it was actually a separate area, off the main shopping area. So it was my fault, but I really hadn't noticed the sign at all, because you had to look up to see it.
I know - when we first came here about 11 years ago, the only mall in Abu Dhabi was the Co-Op in the Tourist Area. If you wanted croissants you had to go the Carrefour in Dubai. Now there are so many malls in Abu Dhabi I haven't been to them all.
Lahmacun? Do you mean the lahma manakeesh?

Salaam
 
zinirah

zinirah

Junior Member
JenGiove? It's disrespectful to say you will drink the alcohol for us...We know you are not muslim, so you dont have to rub it in our faces. Are you open to learning about Islam, and accepting Islam as your religion? Why are you here then in a Muslim forum if you are truly not interested in Islam?
 
BrotherInIslam7

BrotherInIslam7

La Illaha Illa Allah
Staff member
omahmed said:
Salaam

I was actually a little bit upset when I noticed it, and went back to return the other boxes I'd bought - then I noticed a big sign at the entrance to the area saying "Pork Products" - it was actually a separate area, off the main shopping area. So it was my fault, but I really hadn't noticed the sign at all, because you had to look up to see it.
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:salam2: sister,

I think they are still required to mark all of the products as well by the ministry.

I know - when we first came here about 11 years ago, the only mall in Abu Dhabi was the Co-Op in the Tourist Area. If you wanted croissants you had to go the Carrefour in Dubai. Now there are so many malls in Abu Dhabi I haven't been to them all.
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Marina Mall is the best in Abu Dhabi.. And a quick stop at the corniche, makes the experience even more worthwhile.

Abu Dhabi is one of my favorite cities. :)

Lahmacun? Do you mean the lahma manakeesh?

Salaam
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Yes, I think so. I thought that the 'zatar' and 'cheese' one were the only referred to as 'manakeesh'. But I looked up on wikipedia and it has 'minced meat' on there, so I suppose it is.

This is how a well made lahmacun looks like.. Link Quite Yummy..


Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi
 
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