EDL thugs attack peaceful protest against French veil ban

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Kakorot

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Monday 11 April 2011

EDL thugs attack peaceful protest against French veil ban

Around 40 members of the racist English Defence League tonight attacked a peaceful protest outside the French Embassy, opposing the introduction of a ban on the niqab or face veil in France.

Women Young Muslim women were joined by students and trade unionists on the protest called by UAF and One Society Many Cultures and supported by the British Muslim Initiative, Islamic Forum of Europe, Islam Expo and the Enough Coalition.

They carried placards reading: “Defend religious and cultural freedom” and “Face veil – a woman’s right to choose”.

EDL thugs launched a physical attack on the peaceful protest before being surrounded by police and led away.

UAF joint secretary Weyman Bennett said:

It is unacceptable that a group of racist thugs has attacked a demo calling for freedom of religious and cultural expression for Muslim women.

We believe that by targeting Muslims with measures like the niqab ban, French president Nicolas Sarkozy is opening the door and providing dangerous encouragement to racist and fascist groups. Today’s events bear that out.

It is clear the EDL is building a street thug movement that aims to smash anyone who stands up against racism, fascism and Islamophobia. We will continue our efforts to oppose them.

The protest outside the French embassy was called to mark the day that the niqab ban came into force in France.

The ban contravenes Muslim women’s freedom of religion. We believe free and democratic societies should allow people to express their faith and culture however they choose.

Although there are no proposals to introduce such legislation in Britain, the ban on the niqab in France has provoked Islamophobic discussions and campaigns here in Britain.



http://uaf.org.uk/2011/04/edl-thugs-attack-peaceful-protest-at-french-embassy-over-veil-ban/
 
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Kakorot

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I really hate al-muhajiroon. Islam is a peaceful religion. Why are they holding up placards saying "Go to hell", acting like they're guaranteed heaven? What's the point? They're just giving the rest of us a bad name. If they don't know of the right way to react, then they should just shut it.
 
MohammedMaksudul

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
Channa said:
I really hate al-muhajiroon. Islam is a peaceful religion. Why are they holding up placards saying "Go to hell", acting like they're guaranteed heaven? What's the point? They're just giving the rest of us a bad name. If they don't know of the right way to react, then they should just shut it.
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:salam2:

What is the right way of protesting sister?
 
MohammedMaksudul

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
:salam2:

How deliberately you express your hatred for your own Muslim brothers and sisters. At least they are doing something, not sitting at home like the rest. Islam requires actions not big talks.
 
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Kakorot

Junior Member
MohammedMaksudul said:
:salam2:

What is the right way of protesting sister?
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Uhm peacefully. If they protest in this way, the media would concentrate on them being extreme and not the reason why they’re protesting in the first place. Then everyone sees this and an innocent vulnerable Muslimah in niqaab gets attacked. They’re just adding more fuel to fire by making people hating on us even more.

MohammedMaksudul said:
:salam2:

How deliberately you express your hatred for your own Muslim brothers and sisters. At least they are doing something, not sitting at home like the rest. Islam requires actions not big talks.
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When I said I hate them, I meant what they do and stand for. I don’t hate them personally because we’re not allowed to hate Muslims…

At the end of the day, if they are representing Islam to the society, then they have a huge responsibility to do it in the right way!
 
MohammedMaksudul

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
Channa said:
Uhm peacefully. If they protest in this way, the media would concentrate on them being extreme and not the reason why they’re protesting in the first place. Then everyone sees this and an innocent vulnerable Muslimah in niqaab gets attacked. They’re just adding more fuel to fire by making people hating on us even more.




When I said I hate them, I meant what they do and stand for. I don’t hate them personally because we’re not allowed to hate Muslims…

At the end of the day, if they are representing Islam to the society, then they have a huge responsibility to do it in the right way!
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:salam2:

They are not beating anyone up? Breaking cars? Throwing stones? I don't think so. They just have their placards up and they are only chanting slogans. It is a protest, not a formal dinner party. And plus a muslim is supposed to resist oppression and oppressors do not understand peaceful talks, otherwise they wouldn't be oppressors. And why do you care about what others think of you? As a muslims, this should be enough that the ummah loves you and Allah loves you. For Allah says in the Quran:

"O you who have believed, whoever of you should revert from his religion - Allah will bring forth [in place of them] a people He will love and who will love Him [who are] humble toward the believers, powerful against the disbelievers; they strive in the cause of Allah and do not fear the blame of a critic. That is the favor of Allah ; He bestows it upon whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing." {5:54}

If you even go through Prophet Muhammad's صلى الله عليه و سلم life, you will see that he never cared what others said about him. His own people hated him. He was the most loved before and after he called people to the Oneness of Allah, he became the most hated person among them. When he started preaching in the open, he was insulted/tortured and hated even more. He went out to the public and openly called them to Islam. He protested against the fake idols. This was his dawah, but seems like we are so busy to convince that we are not extremists and bla bla what not. SubhanAllah. Islam in itself started as a revolution. A revolution against falsehood, a revolution against lies and cursed way of living. Islam was here to abolish all false traditions. It was not merely a call towards peace, rather it was a call to negate and deny all false deities and accept Allah (All praises to Him) as the Only deity worthy of worship, the Only Creator, The Only Owner of the Heavens and Earth. Peace rather came as a fruit of all the suffering the Muslims went through and all the efforts they put. Peace can only come through the worship of the One and Only Allah.
 
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Kakorot

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So Islamically there is nothing wrong with holding slogans and chanting "Go to hell"? This is NOT da'wah and NOT from the teachings of Islam. No-one will be interested in Islam if they see their actions. Imagine a non-Muslim who knows nothing of Islam and they see this? What are they going to think? They're going to think that this is Islam, when in actual fact it's not! Do you see what I’m saying now???

Akhi, where in my posts did I say I care what people think of me? I don't care what people think of me, it's what people think about Islam! People should see Islam as a beautiful way of life, I don’t want people to think Islam is a backward religion.

Please don't compare al-muhajiroon to the Prophet :saw2: because there's a huge difference. The Prophet (peace be upon him) preached Islam, whereas al-muhajiroon curse people.

“Invite to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better…” (Nahl: 125)

You live in Bangladesh, so maybe you don't know much about al-muhajiroon and the fitna they create and how it impacts the rest of the Muslim community.

Anyway, everyone's entitled to their own opinions.
 
thariq2005

thariq2005

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MohammedMaksudul said:
:salam2:

They are not beating anyone up? Breaking cars? Throwing stones? I don't think so. They just have their placards up and they are only chanting slogans. It is a protest, not a formal dinner party. And plus a muslim is supposed to resist oppression and oppressors do not understand peaceful talks, otherwise they wouldn't be oppressors. And why do you care about what others think of you? As a muslims, this should be enough that the ummah loves you and Allah loves you. For Allah says in the Quran:

"O you who have believed, whoever of you should revert from his religion - Allah will bring forth [in place of them] a people He will love and who will love Him [who are] humble toward the believers, powerful against the disbelievers; they strive in the cause of Allah and do not fear the blame of a critic. That is the favor of Allah ; He bestows it upon whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing." {5:54}

If you even go through Prophet Muhammad's صلى الله عليه و سلم life, you will see that he never cared what others said about him. His own people hated him. He was the most loved before and after he called people to the Oneness of Allah, he became the most hated person among them. When he started preaching in the open, he was insulted/tortured and hated even more. He went out to the public and openly called them to Islam. He protested against the fake idols. This was his dawah, but seems like we are so busy to convince that we are not extremists and bla bla what not. SubhanAllah. Islam in itself started as a revolution. A revolution against falsehood, a revolution against lies and cursed way of living. Islam was here to abolish all false traditions. It was not merely a call towards peace, rather it was a call to negate and deny all false deities and accept Allah (All praises to Him) as the Only deity worthy of worship, the Only Creator, The Only Owner of the Heavens and Earth. Peace rather came as a fruit of all the suffering the Muslims went through and all the efforts they put. Peace can only come through the worship of the One and Only Allah.
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Wa `alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaah akhi Muhammad

May Allaah reward you with good.

I don't think you know the situation in the U.K neither the situation of such groups like al-Muhajiroon here in the U.K.

The brothers and sister who represent this group (which is now banned and they are giving da`wah through other organizations)... have been a detrimental factor to the muslims and the da`wah of the muslims here in the U.K. The way they understand Islaam and represent it to the non-muslims and the muslims is something far-off and very twisted. As much as I agree that these brothers and sisters are (inshaa'Allaah) sincere and I hope that Allaah forgives them for their shortcomings and reward them for their intentions... it must be noted that they have a very twisted understanding of certain fundamentals of Islaam. They are people who *claim* to follow the salaf and are easy to make takfeer on muslims, sooo easy to make takfeer that sometimes it sends chills down my spine as to how easily they would call a person "Kaafir".

There are many people of knowledge here in U.K who talk about this group and their mistakes. So people can go to such people in-order to seek advice

Wassalaamu `alaykum
 
ShahnazZ

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
I COMPLETELY agree with Sister Channa.

Here in the US, we have a group called the Islamic Thinkers Society. They call themselves Ahlus Sunnah wal jama'ah. They're one of the many that do and I can tell you right now there's no way they deserve that title.

They sound just like this group Al-Muhajiroon and basically go around setting up dawah tables throughout the city. At the beginning, I thought they were pretty much conventional and figured they really were sticking to the Sunnah.

However YOU tell me if the following is from the Sunnah:

1. Screaming at non-Muslims telling them they're going to hell. (Yeah that's really going to show the beauty of Islam)

2. Putting up pictures of aborted fetuses, so that even KIDS could see them and saying this is what non-Muslims do. (Before anyone jumps to conclusions, I'm definitely against abortion but now Muslims are being associated with the brutality of abortion when they show images of it on their dawah table.)

3. Beating homosexuals up. (Who are WE to exact punishment on another human being? This is not an Islamic state and we are NO ONE's judge, jury and executioner. Our job is to talk the talk and walk the walk. That's it! Period.)

4. Declaring takfeer on various Muslim leaders. (Again, who are we to declare takfeer on someone? Are we Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala? Do we feel that secure in our iman that we feel the right to call someone else's iman into account to the point where WE declare them a non-Muslim?)

These are just some of the few things they've done. Ironically, I ended up finding another group from the past that resembled this group. Know who they were?

The Khwaarij.

Still think they should be commended?

We need to remember that as Muslims, we are ambassadors of Islam. We need to stick to our Prophet's teachings and convey them the way he would. I'm sorry but I can't see him doing any of the abovementioned things.

There is a way of speaking out against injustice. I agree that we shouldn't apologize for our religion but let's not compensate with anger and violence, neither of which have a place in Islam.
 
MohammedMaksudul

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
:salam2:

If what you saying is right then my point is then where are those who are on the straight path? Where are those intellectual muslims ? Why are they giving away their lime lights ?Why are this al-mhajiroon doing the protest. This ban should hit hard any muslim and muslimah. Making takfeer so easily, I too understand the danger of that. And yes Al-Wala Wal Bara does not mean that one should not behave kindly and justly with others. I never heard of this al-muhajiroon, so I do not know about their other activities. But in this situation, where this oppression there must be protest. And there is no such things called peaceful protests, because they never work. I wonder the regime fall in the middle east was due to only peaceful protests. Oppressions should be stopped by hand as much as possible, then by tongue and then hated by heart (just summarizing that hadith). But today I have observed many of us resort to the last and that is the sign of the lowest of Imaan very quickly and putting forth excuses of not stopping oppression by Hand (including myself). Muslims today have become dunya loving. They like to have a good job, a nice little home, a wife -children, just a peaceful life. Wow, what aim of life for a Muslim. We have to realize that we were sent down here for a purpose and if we do not serve it then Allah will replace us with a better people. May Allah forgive my shortcomings. Ameen. Honestly I think the sisters should migrate to a land (even if darul kufr), where they can practice Islam freely. But many will not be able to migrate will have a lot of hardship, May Allah ease their suffering and test. May Allah Forgive them, May Allah forgive us for sitting at home, hiding behind the screen and not going out their and helping those in need. May Allah Guide us, Forgive us and strengthen our Imaan. Ameen.
 
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Abu Talib

Feeling low
Assalamu`alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu

Al-Muhajiroon haha im sure they would call themselves MDL in few days of time.What can you expect from these Mojos/OBM whose leaders change their Aqeedah like clothes. Whats more surprising is OBM is on parole thanks to his Shi'ah allies much to his fake credentials.

Shari'ah is more important to them then Tawheed yet you ask these people are you willing to fight for the sake of Allaah they would say its not Fardh on me. Whats the point shouting go to hell when we don't know if we are sure to be in heaven. They talk all that about Adab, Akhaam, Shar'aa and when they were talking to the woman they couldn't lower their Gaze! Well thats their Shari'ah right there just shout and blab but it doesn't apply on oneself
 
MohammedMaksudul

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
:salam2:

My head spins, I just can not sit in front of the news these days. Sometimes all I feel is to lock myself up. We call ourselves slaves of Allah, rather it seems more that we are slave of our desires, slaves of men. If we really believed that Allah is more powerful than anyone or anything else out there, we wouldn't have done what we are doing and things would have been better. We should know that if Allah Harms us, none can help. If Allah Helps us, none can harm.
 
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Abu Talib

Feeling low
“Do Deeds! Allah will see your deeds, and (so will) His Messenger and the believers. And you will be brought back to the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen. Then he will inform you of what you used to do.”
 
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