Evidence that Music and Singing are Haram

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    Quran and Sunnah quotes please..Understand again I AM NOT saying its not haraam,I just wont 100% proof from QURAN or Sunnah that all forms of singing or music is haraam..without it,then no Muslim can condemn another Muslim for deciding to listen to good forms of singing or music,based on their opinion or a school of thought. But if it distracts a person from true worship then the act itself would cause it to be wrong.
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    Sorry I'm not one to debate with things I firmly believe. I get angry, and this isn't righteous anger. I know how far I go, and I put my input according to that. You want Quran and Hadith go to the first post and read it again.

    I do not condem Muslims themselves. I may condemn their actions, but I usually refrain from condemning a Muslim themselves.

    May I ask a sincere question? Are you a Muslim? I am wondering because your Profile says otherwise. And if you are NOT a Muslim... may I further ask WHY you are dealing with whether Music is Haram or not at this present time?

    Why don't you look into Tawheed and Aqeedah? These are the basis of Islam and it's more vital to understand this, before moving onto aspects of Fiqh, which is left for Scholars, not every man on the road to interpret and place into their own words.

    This is just a question and suggestion. Forgive me if it is personal or offensive or something.
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    Haraam?

    I believe singing and playing instruments are halaal, if they are done for the rememberance of Allah (SWT). If it is haraam, then every act, including you being on your computer reading this, driving a car to mosque, catching a plane to go to Mecca, are all halaal.
    Remember, back in the day of the Prophet (SAW), singing and music were used together with the worship of false gods. These days, it is used mainly to express one's hopes & dreams, as well as to worship Allah in Christian churches. Remember that the Q'araan is sung during salaat.
    I am not a music fan personally, so this post is not defending the act of singing.

    Salaams.
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    :salam2:

    Read this hadith.

    Volumn 007, Book 069, Hadith Number 494B.
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    Narated By Abu 'Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari : That he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.

    Look at the context in which musical instruments are contained. Alongside illegal sexual intercouse, drinking of alcohol and wearing silk. Things we all know are haram.

    Here's something else you should read:

    Timirdi recounts this Hadith from Ali ibn Abi Talib: "The Prophet said: 'If my Ummah bears fifteen traits, tribulation will befall it.' Someone asked, 'What are they, O Messenger of Allah?' He said, 'When any gain is shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor; when a trust becomes a means of making a profit; when paying Zakat becomes a burden; when a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother; and treats his friend kindly whilst shunning his father; when voices are raised in the mosques; when the leader of a people is the worst of them; when people treat a man with respect because they fear some evil he may do; when much wine is drunk; when men wear silk; when female singers and musical instruments become popular; when the last ones of this Ummah curse the first ones --- then let them expect a red wind, or the earth to swallow them, or to be transformed into animals.'"

    These are all bad things which will happen when the end of the world is near.

    We seen most, if not all of these signs now.

    wasalam
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    :salam2:

    That is absolutely not correct, maybe some sufi who have deviated from the Path will say that, but a muslim scholar that follows the Qur'an and the Sunnah not (exeption for the women the duff - and we've broght the explanation for that as well many times). So be careful who you follow sister!

    Please provide evidence then sister that singing is halaal, when the one that was sent with the Truth (saws) clearly stated that it is haraam? so many authentic hadeeth speak of that.
    And remember that if that what you are saying has no base, and is not true what is it then?:astag:

    I have to correct you: the Qur'an is recited, not sung! That is a big difference!

    May Allah (swt) guide us to the right Path.

    wasalaam.
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    No Im not Muslim but am studying it to learn more about it..my music questions are just part of me understanding Islaam..And whether or not music is haraam or not is very important or people wouldnt make such a big deal about it..

    As for reading the hadiths they are becoming more and more confusing when some say its okay and some say its not..this from a non Muslims stand point makes Islaam seem way to conflicting for some.

    Salaams!
    Jerry
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    As Salaamu Alaykum
    When Hadith are in conflict, one of them are obviously wrong. That's why all Hadith have to be supported by the Qur'an. Also, all Hadith must be seen in proper view. Remember that Hadith was put together by man while the Qur'an was put together by Allah (SWT).

    I love sunnah.org and I'm glad that you found that site. Insha'Allah it'll help you.
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    But it doesnt say all instruments,the way I read it,it is referring to instruments we know are haraam and people saying those instruments would be halal?All the other things mentioned are haram,so why wouldnt the type of instruments that are referred to be????

    Who predicted that,I seem to recall in the Quran that it says Muhammad would not know the future?So it couldnt have been Muhammad.
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    I am seeing that..An yes Quran come first since it is suppose to be the Words of God(dont take that as an offense,Im simply stating that it is believed to be the words of God as a Seeker of Truth learning about Islaam)..And as a learner of Islaam I will put the Quran 1st and then Sunnah,if the Sunnah seems to contradict the Quran,I will have to study it further and then if it still contradicts,I will put it to the side and accept Quran.
    Yes Sunnah.org looks to be a very good site so far.
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    Asalamu Alaikum All..

    If it is God's will that I revert to Islaam,this will probably be one of the guidelines I follow concerning music. But I will not allow myself to offend others by listening to music around them.Besides Im not a big listener to music in the first place.But I do not want to leave one stone unturned,if you know what I mean.

    Peace!
    Jerry
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    Salam calikum, I was pretty surprised that this topic has been going on for so long. I didnt read all 12 pages but i read some. I know as a fact that music is Haram to listen to, but it is allowed in times of war..ie Jihad nasheeds.. and that at those times drums are allowed, and also i've read the hadith of when Abu Bakr r.a became upset with his daughter, the mother of the believers, because there was a little girl singing for Ayisha and so Abu bakr r.a told her how dare she bring music into the house of the prophet s.a.w, whereupon the Prophet s.a.w turned and said, 'Let them alone, Abu Bakr, for this is a festival-day.'" Keep in mind this was indoors and it was on a day of festival and there was no music. But to play the piano or anyother instruments or to listen to any type of music..even if its arabic or english or hindi or whatever its still haram, and if you want to know these kinds of questions go to reliable sites like islamqa.com
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    Edit of last post.

    I was meant to say:

    "If it is haraam, then every act, including you being on your computer reading this, driving a car to mosque and, catching a plane to go to Mecca, are all HARAAM."

    Finally, the Qu'ran also tells us to use our intellect and observation. If this wasn't the case, muslims wouldn't have invented/introduced numbers and mathematics, medicine, hospitals, etc. We would still be in the dark ages with the Christians.

    Wa Alaikum Salaam.
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    Assalamu alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu!!!

    First of all I want to introduce myself : I'm a sister from Albania :hijabi:
    studying medicine in Italy.I came across this site for months and I really learned about our pure religion.

    Concearning the issue of music, a totally agree that IS HARAM.
    Someone will ask :SMILY309: Well, brothers and sisters ask your self:

    Do you want to waste your time in this way? Who will bring you again that time? Are you concentrated, after listening music, in your salat? Have you ever think that when you are down or sad, is better calm down your heart with KUR'AN?

    After this questions, I have to admitt, that are some brothers and sisters justifying theirselfs by saing that in our modern times,there are shuyoukhs that allow music.This is a very sad situation for our ummah:astag:

    MAY ALLAH SWT GIVE TO ALL MUSLIMS THE LIGHT TO SEE THE TRUTH! Amin
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    Assalamu alaykum,

    This thread discussed Music and has gone on for some time.. 115 replies and it is 12 Pages Long!! Evidences have been presented.... It is shameful for some Muslims to come and write replies ignoring all that has been said.

    So..

    this topic is Closed now.



    Wasalam
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