Evidence that Music and Singing are Haram

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TearfulEyes

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Brother,warning I never say that they are kufars dont give me words that I never said ,its them who like judge the other Muslims not me.
Sorry brothers but the Wahhabi savants aren't my source of advice I prefer hear the savants of the 4 schools.(Allah know best)

Dear Brother Omar and everyone else who is a Muslim. Wahhabi is not one of the 4 schools or Math-habs, but they follow Imam Hambal. So, for you Brother Omar, you can follow and seek ruling from any of the four books or savants, and you are a good Muslim, Insha Allah. So is everyone else, seeking any Islamic ruling by referring to any of the four Math-habs will keep you in the Islamic Faith, Insha Allah. :arabi1:
 

Imad

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Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wabaraktuh dear brother Omar,

My question was simple and i wanted a simple answer, but you didn't give me this answer. I Ask Allah subhanahu wata3ala to give me, you and the muslim brothers and sisters more knowledge, amien.

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wabaraktuh,

Dear brother Omarthefrench you are a revert so please gain more knowledgd about islam. It's important to know who is right and who is wrong, so gaining knowledge is very important. I want to clarify something for you and this is the word : " Wahabi"
Before explaining to you the meaning of this word i have for you a question, so please answer:

" Who is el-Wahaab? "

Thank you very much.

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wabaraktuh,

Imad

your answer

I dont need lot of knoweldge to know that Wahhabi reject the 4 Big schools,I dont need lot of knowledge to know that for Wahhabi the Mutzalites are kufur and the Asharism are egared.

The savant Wahhabi aren't my first source of advice but I will never say that they are kufur like they do with others Muslims.(Allah knows best)

i will give the answer:

El-Wahaab is one of the names of Allah subhanahu watala. One who says you are a "Wahabi", makes a big mistake. He has to repent.

How do you think you will react if a muslim calls another muslim " Allahi" ?

That's why knowledge is very important. The imaam is called Mohammed ibn abd el Wahaab. I will translate: Mohammed the son of abd ( Slave) of el Wahaab. Some people are called abd el Wahaab, like others who are called Abdu-Llah which means the slave of Allah.

So please be carefull. I advice every one to be carefull with this statements.

I ask Allah subhanahu wata3ala to forgive me if i made a mistake. Please correct me ik i have made a mistake.

Fee amanillah.

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wabaraktuh,
 
i have been singing since i was a baby. Until last year when i decided to follow our religion the way it is said. Yes i do sing but only in front of women. I even sang on the radio but not anymore. Sometimes You have to give up things that you love the most in this world for a better afterlife. I would have said the same thing what you are saying last year but you really have to read to understand what is more important to you. See look at it this way if you listened to britney spears or byonce everyday. What will happen to you? Dont you feel like dancing it makes you think and feel different. Maybe even have lustful thoughts. That is why you are restricted to what kind of music you can hear or play.
 

samiha

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Assalam.

i am really getting to abhore this thread but I wanted to put this hadith...

The Prophet (sws) is reported to have said: 'Both the lawful (Halal) and the unlawful (Haram) things are obvious, and in between them are doubtful [Mushtabihat] matters. Whoever forsakes those doubtful things lest he may commit a sin, will definitely avoid what is clearly unlawful; and whoever indulges in these (suspicious) doubtful things carelessly, is likely to stumble into what is clearly unlawful. Sins are Allah's Hima (ie private pasture) and whoever pastures [his sheep] near it, is likely to get in it at any moment.'

The above Hadith mentions an important principle for the religiously pious individuals: They should not just be content with staying away from what is obviously prohibited; they are expected to stay away from the gray areas of the Shari'ah as well.


Even though I don't see it as a gray area at all!
 

simple82best

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Regarding music

MUSIC ARCCODING TO QURAN AND SUNNAH

The Prohibition

The Noble Qur'an - Luqman 31:6

And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Qur'an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-Fire).


Ibn Masood (ra) said about this verse "I swear by the One other than Whom there is no God that it refers to singing [ghinaa].", and he repeated this three times. Ibn Abbaas (ra) said it refered to 'singing and the like' while Jaabir (ra) is reported to view its meaning to signify singing and listening to songs. Many taabi'oon such as Mujaahid, Ikrimah, Mak-hool and Umar ibn Shu'ayb viewed it as a censure of music and song.


Hadith - Bukhari (#787) [Also related by Tabari]

Sa'id ibn Jbayr reported that Ibn 'Abbas said about the verse: "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks" (31:6), that, "ldle talks means singing and the like."


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Isra 17:64

"And Istafiz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and other call for Allah's disobedience)..."


Hadith - Bukhari 7:494

Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and Allah will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."


The Noble Qur'an - An-Najm 53:57-62

The Day of Resurrection draws near, None besides Allah can avert it, (or advance it, or delay it). Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'an)? And you laugh at it and weep not, Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing, etc.). So fall you down in prostration to Allah, and worship Him (Alone).

‘Ikrimah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that al-sumood [verbal noun from saamidoon, translated here as “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”] means “singing”, in the dialect of Himyar; it might be said “Ismidi lanaa” [‘sing for us’ – from the same root as saamidoon/sumood] meaning “ghaniy” [sing]. And he said (may Allaah have mercy on him): When they [the kuffaar] heard the Qur’aan, they would sing, then this aayah was revealed.

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Allah says (interpretation of the meaning) “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)” – Sufyaan al-Thawri said, narrating from his father from Ibn ‘Abbaas: (this means) singing. This is Yemeni (dialect): ismad lana means ghan lana [sing to us]. This was also the view of ‘Ikrimah. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer).



Use of a Simple Drum


Use of the "duff" (simple drum) is permitted in Islam for a practical purpose (such as establishing a simple beat for exercise, rowing, and other labors), but not to be done by a Muslim for entertainment or idleness. In such instances, it must not be played as music, such as by enhancing rhythm, whistling a tune and whatnot. Ibn al-Qayyim said in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan (1/256) that the prohibition against the use of instruments refers to "all kinds of things used for entertainment."

According to the Sunnah, females can sing and beat the duff on the two 'Eids (specific Muslim celebrations) and to announce a Muslim wedding amongst themselves, and their voices shouldn't be raised loud enough or near enough to be heard by the men.

Poetry is also permitted, but it must not contain shirk (the major sin of associating a partner in worship with Allah, i.e. trinity, major or minor shirk, etc.).

The woman's voice should not be used in an attractive way around non-mahram men and to them it must be limited to necessity (physical necessity such as asking for something at the store, not emotional 'necessity' such as social conversation). Men and women must not engage in idle or social conversations with non-mahrams (those not related as specified in The Quran). Muslim men should avoid listening to a non-related (i.e. non-mahram) female voice (such as pop singers, etc.) except when it is unavoidable or due to her speaking out of necessity and not socializing.


The Noble Qur'an - An-Najm 53:57-62

The Prophet came to me after consuming his marriage with me and sat down on my bed as you (the sub-narrator) are sitting now, and small girls were beating the duff* and singing in lamentation of my father who had been killed on the day of the battle of Badr. Then one of the girls said, "There is a Prophet amongst us who knows what will happen tomorrow." The Prophet [saaws] said (to her),"Do not say this, but go on saying what you have spoken before."

* duff /daff- a one-sided drum made of animal skin.

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab 33:32
O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allâh), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.



Explanation from Sheikh Ibn Baz

Shaykh Ibn Baz (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo' al-Fataawa, 3/423-424:

"Ma'aazif refers to singing and musical instruments. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that at the end of time there will come a people who will allow these things just as they will allow alcohol, zina and silk. This is one of the signs of his Prophethood, for all of this has happened. The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haram (prohibited), and condemns those who say they are halal (permissible), just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allaah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allaah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allaah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allaah and lying about His Laws.

What is mustahabb (recommended) is to beat on the daff [simple hand drum] at weddings. This is mustahabb for women only, in order to announce the wedding and to distinguish it from fornication. There is nothing wrong with women singing amongst themselves, accompanied by the daff, so long as the songs contain no words that encourage evil or distract people from their duties. It is also a condition that this should take place among women only, and there should be no mixing with men. It should also not cause any annoyance or disturbance to neighbours. What some people do, of amplifying such singing with loudspeakers is evil, because of the disturbance it causes to other Muslims, neighbours and others. It is not permissible for women, in weddings or on other occasions, to use any instrument other than the daff, such as the oud, violin, rebab (stringed instrument) and so on. This is evil, and the only concession that women are given is that they may use the daff.

As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allaah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allaah."



Hadith - Sunan of Abu Dawood, #4909, Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud

Salam ibn Miskin, quoting an old man who witnessed AbuWa'il in a wedding feast, said: They began to play, amuse and sing. He united the support of his hand round his knees that were drawn up, and said: I heard Abdullah (ibn Mas'ud) say: I heard the apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say: Singing produces hypocrisy in the heart.


Intentions as it Relates to Hearing Music

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Concerning (music) which a person does not intend to listen to, there is no prohibition or blame, according to scholarly consensus. Hence blame or praise is connected to listening, not to hearing. The one who listens to the Qur'aan will be rewarded for it, whereas the one who hears it without intending or wanting to will not be rewarded for that, because actions are judged by intentions. The same applies to musical instruments which are forbidden: if a person hears them without intending to, that does not matter. (al-Majmoo', 10/78).

Imaam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about playing the drum or flute, if a person happens to hear the sound and enjoy it whilst he is walking or sitting. He said: He should get up if he finds that he enjoys it, unless he is sitting down for a need or is unable to get up. If he is on the road, he should either go back or move on. (al-Jaami' by al-Qayrawaani, 262). He (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: "The only people who do things like that, in our view, are faasiq's." (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 14/55).

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It is not permissible to make musical instruments. (al-Majmoo', 22/140). And he said: According to the majority of fuqahaa', it is permissible to destroy musical instruments, such as the tanboor [a stringed instrument similar to a mandolin]. This is the view of Maalik and is the more famous of the two views narrated from Ahmad. (al-Majmoo', 28/113). Ibn Abi Shaybah (may Allaah have mercy on him) reported that a man broke a mandolin belonging to another man, and the latter took his case to Shurayh. But Shurayh did not award him any compensation, i.e., he did not make the first man pay the cost of the mandolin, because it was haram and had no value. (al-Musannaf, 5/395).


A Haram (Prohibited) Profession

It is haram (prohibited) to be work as a salesperson in a store that sells musical instruments. It is permissible to sell an instrument for its parts, such as to have it melted down, etc. It is of course, as shown by the evidences above, haram to be a musician.

Al-Baghawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) stated in a fatwa that it is haram to sell all kinds of musical instruments such as mandolins, flutes, etc. Then he said: If the images are erased and the musical instruments are altered, then it is permissible to sell their parts, whether they are silver, iron, wood or whatever. (Sharh al-Sunnah, 8/28)


Effeminate Men

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made allowances for certain types of musical instruments at weddings and the like, and he made allowances for women to play the daff at weddings and on other joyful occasions. But the men at his time did not play the daff or clap with their hands. It was narrated in al-Saheeh that he said: "Clapping is for women and tasbeeh (saying Subhaan Allaah) is for men." And he cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women.

Because singing and playing the daff are things that women do, the Salaf (men of the far past) used to call any man who did that a mukhannath (effeminate man), and they used to call male singers effeminate - and how many of them there are nowadays! It is well known that the Salaf said this.




JAZZAK ALLAH KHEIR
If anyone would like to comment and urgue regarding this article he should bring me evidence from Quran or hadith. We follow the best of example of the greatest man ever live PH SA.
 

shabnum

Junior Member
:salam2:

when i was not practicing islam, i use to listen to music to the certain extent i was so addicted to it that i couldnt stop singing and listening to music it use to run throw my mind 24/7 even when i was a wake early in the morning the same track use to run throw my mind astakfirula it weakned my imaam faith for allah and islam.

you see music weakens your heart your faith::frown:

i know the feeling cause its happen to me, well alhumdulilah not any more cus i do not listen to music at all, as you know its haraam.

i use to feel corrupted listening to music ohnestly this is coming from me i did not get a good feeling at all, now that islam is part of my life i feel so much happy so much peace who needs music nobody the best feeling you can get is from allah by worshiping him :muslim_child:


so sisters and brothers my advice is this music do not listen to music it weakins your faith also its haraam.


so if your still not sure :arabi1: there are evidence of hadithes just look it up and find out for your self, as our brother has just explained may allah give him happiness more knowledge of islam ameen.

may allah guide you all inshalla ameen.:blackhijab:

:wasalam:
 

samiha

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Assalam.

I hope that everyone understands that Quranic ayahs in any language other than Arabic are translations!!

Not just areas where they explain things in more detail, the entire thing.

The Quran is only in the Arabic language!!!

No Quranic translation encompasses the Arabic. Sometimes people might feel that the person put an explaination wrong, but then you should leave the whole translation, if you are not willing to trust them when they explain what a word means, then it makes no sence to believe it when they translate the entire Quran.

It's like say a person was translating another language for you and you say to them, "I believe what you are translating but based on the entire context I can't believe this to be exactly right."
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
Assalam.

I hope that everyone understands that Quranic ayahs in any language other than Arabic are translations!!

Not just areas where they explain things in more detail, the entire thing.

The Quran is only in the Arabic language!!!

No Quranic translation encompasses the Arabic. Sometimes people might feel that the person put an explaination wrong, but then you should leave the whole translation, if you are not willing to trust them when they explain what a word means, then it makes no sence to believe it when they translate the entire Quran.

It's like say a person was translating another language for you and you say to them, "I believe what you are translating but based on the entire context I can't believe this to be exactly right."

:salam2:
It's true, but the translations don't differ too far from the Arabic to corrupt the Qur'an.

By the way, why was my post deleted? :(
 

Dawoodi

Junior Member
salam w

Asalamualikum,

Can you prove to me that God/Allah did not give me the gift of the ability to play the piano?

Sallam

salam walaikum w

base on that argument also i could say " Can you prove to me that God/Allah did not give me the gift of the ability to have sex and procreate children? so if thats the case i can have sex as much i want with any one i want.......humm what about the ability to kill??? can i kill too??.....

so in this way the argument is refuted, there is no logic on it...Allah subhanah wata'allah has given to us many abilities but also has set rules and regulations for our own sake.

Ego can easily take us away from the rigth path and sheitan its ready to wisper devil ideas and arguments.

another argument i saw was trying to say ohh but what about if i have the intention of dawah with music?

what about the cristians and they rock bands they say they have the intention of praying to God. are they rigth? no of curse not.

as much as we have good intentions they are nothing with out the rigth metodology. from Quran and Sunnah.

this are but excuses like the one who say ohh yeah i'm gambling becouse i want to build a masjid with the money i win!!

:astag:

salam w.
 

Dawoodi

Junior Member
Brother,warning I never say that they are kufars dont give me words that I never said ,its them who like judge the other Muslims not me.
Sorry brothers but the Wahhabi savants aren't my source of advice I prefer hear the savants of the 4 schools.(Allah know best)

salam walaikum w

brother u dont need to say some is kafir literaly to doit.
just making a stament like the one u just did is suficient.

for instance if u say a muslim dont belive in the angels etc u are saying he is kafir.

salam w
 

NewMuslim

Slave of Allah
Assalamu Alaykum to all
It's clear that music is a debatable issue. Therefore, let's follow what our Prophet Muhammad :)saw:) said:

"What is Halal is clear and what is Haram is clear. Avoid all that isn't clear, lest ye fall into sin".
 

faiz_fauzi

Junior Member
Assalamualikum?
Did u guys c what is happening here?

We are debating bout the small matter."Khilafiyyah".We keep debating,debating,debating.One person say this and another say that and someone say another.We keep on fighting and debating about what?Music?Wahabi?

All my brothers and sisters Please?
Hear me out loud?
Put away all the "khilafiyyah" matters aside.Please concentrate on the bigger issue.We are here fighting bout music haram,halal wahabi madhab and so on but did u realiza that the palestinian, chechen, iraqi and all the muslims is struggling to fight for their land their dignity their food the place but we in the other side still fighting and fighting about the bid'ah sunnah the scholar differences.WHY?
 

faiz_fauzi

Junior Member
Please hear me out loud?There is a bigger issue out there.WE NEED TO UNITE?No matter whather u are in the 4 scholar,wahabi,salafi,syiah,sunni or whatever.WE NEED TO UNITE? Put away our differences."Khilaf" is a bless from ALLAH All the 4 IMAMs has their own thoughts and way to interpret Sunnah "RASULULLAH S.A.W".They know what they are doing and if u thinks that u want to hold to Quran and Sunnah without following there 4 scholars please proceed.What i mean is put away our differences.Please "khilaf" is not mean to be argued and fight over it.It was meant to be lighten and accepted open mindedly.Rite?SO PLEASE ALL MY MUSLIMS FAMILY.

UNITE,UNITE,UNITE!I dont care wheather u r sunni,syiah,wahhabi,salafi as long as u r in ur syahadah please UNITE.Because when we unite we will become stronger we will speak in one word go through with one journey and fight for one reason.Please please please?

JazakaLLAHU Khair!

May ALLAH BLESS US ALL MUSLIMS!MAY ALLAH GUIDE US TO UNITE!
 

SeekerofTruth

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaykum to all
It's clear that music is a debatable issue. Therefore, let's follow what our Prophet Muhammad :)saw:) said:

"What is Halal is clear and what is Haram is clear. Avoid all that isn't clear, lest ye fall into sin".

Being that music and singing is so debatable, then how can we say that hahal is clear and haraam is clear..because if it was clear,there would be no debate..??????????????????????
 

SeekerofTruth

Junior Member
Did you not read the part which stated, Avoid all that isn't clear, lest ye fall into sin". ?

Yes I read it,but doesnt the Quran state that God forgets nothing and that he reveals all? So shouldnt it be made plan by God or through Muhammed and and not left to interpretations by people ever since then?
 

samiha

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Yes I read it,but doesnt the Quran state that God forgets nothing and that he reveals all? So shouldnt it be made plan by God or through Muhammed and and not left to interpretations by people ever since then?

I am not sure what exactly you are refering to, however lets take an example. This is not an answer, merely a type of anology so to say. IF you have an addicted smoker and you present him with two people. You pretend each as qualified as the other, one tells the smoker that smoking is bad and that it will kill him. The other man says that smoking is fine, it's good for the lungs, all the sucking and puffing and all. Who's opinion is the man likely to take? Who is however more correct in the matter?

Let's take that the first is a Doctor specializing in the lungs and the other a Doctor only by title. They are both doctors, but are they both qualified to make such a judgment? No. The smoker may take the advice of the second because it is easier for him. BUT if he/she were to really look into the subject they would realize the truth.

Things are not made ambiguous, they aren't made strange... people do this many times though because it may be easier for them to take in and accept although it is not the correct thing. Hey they'll all find out in the end won't they? Better safe then serve as fuel for the fires of Hell. That's my motto ;)

Music is Haram. Period.
 
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