Hadith question (again)

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To "ishmael7":

You can fool your self or ppl like Vegan but not we the Muslims here. If you want to tell lies about Islam there are many anti-Islamic sites, you can always post your stupid lies over there and make the fools over there to be better fools.

Fyi, I already requested the moderator to ban. I hope they will ban you. You are here not because you want to learn or discuss anything good but to show off your foolishness. The moment you insulted the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon Him) I can no longer tolerate.
 

mhamzah

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To: Ishmael7; I hope you are not one of those fake Ex-Muslims other there.​

Well you keep reiterating 80% of the Muslims are illiterate. How many have you met personally. There are 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world [let me run that number past you again 1.5 Billion, see that the difference between you and the verses in the Quran, you tend to paint all Muslims with the same brush, Quran on the other hand does not paint all Jews, Christians, idol worshipers, Magicians, disbelievers with the same brush.

That's why you will find phrases like 'some of them' or 'a party amongst them' or 'amongst them' when referring to disbelievers [if you bother to read the verses with your eyes open].

Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. (3:113)

But maybe it is difficult for you to comprehend this; reminds me of Saying of Jesus [pbuh] as recorded in the bible and the 171 verse of second chapter of the Quran.

Seeing They See Not; And Hearing They Hear Not, Neither Do They Understand. (Jesus, pbuh)

And the case of those who disbelieve is like the case of one who shouts to that which hears naught but a call and a cry. They are deaf dumb and blind - so they do not understand. (2:171)


In Islam people are held accountable for their actions [and beliefs] and not the community they belong too;

Surely, those who believe and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians - whichever party from among these truly believes in ALLAH and the Last Day and does good deeds, shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon then nor shall they grieve. (2:62)

Now coming to the verses you quoted.

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them (lol i know where you got that from)

Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. (2:190-193)

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) Turn back; (They say), "And believe no one unless he follows your religion." Say: "True guidance is the Guidance of God: (Fear ye) Lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) Like unto that which was sent unto you? or that those (Receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?" Say: "All bounties are in the hand of God: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: And God careth for all, and He knoweth all things."

Read the verses properly. That is what some of the Jews used to say, 'believe no one unless he follows your religion'. In reply to that Allah says, 'True guidance is the Guidance of Allah.....'

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118 –

Quote: They all hate you and want to ruin you. Unquote

Quote: Studying the context, it seems even clearer that the Quran...... Unquote [lol]

This has been explained time and time again, feel free to search the site. This one is funny though. They all [lol], you say they all, let see what the Quran says;

Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knoweth well those that do right. Those who reject Faith,- neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against God: They will be companions of the Fire,- dwelling therein (for ever). What they spend in the life of this (material) world May be likened to a wind which brings a nipping frost: It strikes and destroys the harvest of men who have wronged their own souls: it is not God that hath wronged them, but they wrong themselves. O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom. Ah! ye are those who love them, but they love you not,- though ye believe in the whole of the Book. When they meet you, they say, "We believe": But when they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say: "Perish in you rage; God knoweth well all the secrets of the heart." If aught that is good befalls you, it grieves them; but if some misfortune overtakes you, they rejoice at it. But if ye are constant and do right, not the least harm will their cunning do to you; for God Compasseth round about all that they do. (3:113-120)


Those [Christians and Jews] are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

Not 'those' [Jews], rather it is 'of the Jews'

Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is not Heard"; and "Ra'ina"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: "What hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us"; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but God hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe. O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of God Must be carried out. God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who claim sanctity for themselves? Nay-but God Doth sanctify whom He pleaseth. But never will they fail to receive justice in the least little thing. Behold! how they invent a lie against God! but that by itself is a manifest sin! Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were given a portion of the Book? they believe in sorcery and Evil, and say to the Unbelievers that they are better guided in the (right) way Than the believers! They are (men) whom God hath cursed: And those whom God Hath cursed, thou wilt find, have no one to help. (4:46-52)

Those Jews are cursed for altering the revelations send down by Allah swt.

Maybe you ought to read the bible;

"How can you say, 'We [The Jews] are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. (KJV)



Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

1.First of all as if Jews and Christians believe something different.
2. Allah swt is just so He rewards those who do good and punishes those who do bad.
3. Thank you for quoting verses 4:56, helps increases my Ima'an.

It was thought that the sense of feeling and pain was dependent only on the brain. Recent discoveries however prove that there are pain receptors present in the skin, without which a person would not be able to feel pain.

Prof. Tagatat Tejasen, Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University in Thailand, has spent a great amount of time on research of pain receptors. Initially he could not believe that the Qur’an mentioned this scientific fact 1,400 years ago. He later verified the translation of this particular Qur’anic verse. Prof. Tejasen was so impressed by the scientific accuracy of the Qur’anic verse, that at the 8th Saudi Medical Conference held in Riyadh on the Scientific Signs of Qur’an and Sunnah, he proudly proclaimed in public:

“There is no God but Allah and Muhammad (pbuh) is His Messenger.”


Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous

God did aforetime take a covenant from the Children of Israel, and we appointed twelve captains among them. And God said: "I am with you: if ye (but) establish regular prayers, practise regular charity, believe in my apostles, honour and assist them, and loan to God a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path or rectitude." But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will God show them what it is they have done.


Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107

Quote: They are all Liars. Unquote

Who is the liar, we shall see soon.

Allah is well pleased with the foremost ones among the ‘mohajirs’ _ (those who migrated with the messenger from Makkah to Medina) and the ‘ansars’ _ (those who helped the ‘mohajirs’), and the others who followed them in good faith. They (too) are well pleased with Him. For them, He has prepared the paradise, through which run the rivers. They shall live there forever and ever. That is the greatest triumph! Many of the Bedouin Arabs around you as well as (many of) the people of ‘Al-medina’ are hypocrites. You do not know them, but We know them (quite well). Soon, We will inflict upon them twice the punishment. After that they shall be brought back for the gravest of punishment. There are others who acknowledge their offense. They have mixed their righteous deeds with other deeds that are bad. Allah might just turn towards them in forgiveness. Allah is the most Forgiving and the most Merciful. Levy the charitable offering from their wealth, thereby purifying and cleansing them. Pray for them! Indeed, your prayers are a source of comfort for them. Allah is all-Hearing, and all-Knowing. Do they not know that it is Allah (alone) Who accepts repentance from His servants, and receives charity? Indeed, it is Allah Who is the most Forgiving and the most Merciful. And say, “Do your duty! Allah, His messenger and other believers would observe your deeds. Then, (in the end) you would be brought back before the One Who knows (both) the unseen and the seen. He will tell you everything you have been doing.” There are (still) others who await the decision of Allah; He may either punish them, or forgive them. Allah is all-Aware, the Wisest! Those (hypocrites) who built a (parallel) mosque did so in order to foment mischief, disbelief and dissension among the believers, and also to provide a retreat and a (secret) sanctuary for the person who had always waged a war against Allah and His messenger. They would definitely swear that (by building that mosque) they had intended nothing but good. But Allah bears witness that they are certainly the liars. (9:100-110)


Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65 –

But the important question is 'Fight whom',

They are those with whom thou didst make a covenant, but they break their covenant every time, and they have not the fear (of God). If ye gain the mastery over them in war, disperse, with them, those who follow them, that they may remember. If thou fearest treachery from any group, throw back (their covenant) to them, (so as to be) on equal terms: for God loveth not the treacherous. Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). Should they intend to deceive thee,- verily God sufficeth thee: He it is That hath strengthened thee with His aid and with (the company of) the Believers; And (moreover) He hath put affection between their hearts: not if thou hadst spent all that is in the earth, couldst thou have produced that affection, but God hath done it: for He is Exalted in might, Wise. O Apostle! sufficient unto thee is God,- (unto thee) and unto those who follow thee among the Believers. O Apostle! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding. (8:56-66)

Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes

And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you (The towering height) of Mount (Sinai) : (Saying): "Hold firmly to what We have given you and bring (ever) to remembrance what is therein: Perchance ye may fear God." But ye turned back thereafter: Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of God to you, ye had surely been among the lost. And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." So We made it an example to their own time and to their posterity, and a lesson to those who fear God. (2:63-66)

(We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected). whether that is figurative language or not I need to check, but it's beside the point here because you seem to convey as if all Jews were turned into Apes. They were turned into apes for what they did and not for what they are.

Quote: (Although considering Jews to be apes is a little bit over the top) Unquote



[049:006] O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.


There is a saying in Urdu 'Para likah paindoo' , maybe you can get some one to translate that for you and reflect on it. Remember;

Seeing They See Not; And Hearing They Hear Not, Neither Do They Understand. (Jesus, pbuh)

And the case of those who disbelieve is like the case of one who shouts to that which hears naught but a call and a cry. They are deaf dumb and blind - so they do not understand. (2:171)
 
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