Hadith question (again)

[vegangoth]

Hello


Allah is The Most High ,The All Knowing ,The one Who has perfect Wisdom ...
Quran was reveiled during the period of 23 years ,gradually ,for the purpose that it can strenghten peoples hearts and that they can understand everything step by step..
Some commands were not reveiled rigth away ,like for example the command of alchohol is haram ...First it was reveiled that there is no good in drinking alcohol ,the second that believer cannot pray if he is intoxicated and then thirdly the command came prohibiting alcohol completely ..
So you see people were prepared gradually...

[COLOR="Red"]While I understand that could be the reason for back then but nowadays it's very much cut n dry there is not easing in. Why should it be an issue if Allah has proven been to chang his mind? that's not a bad thing at all. Evertime he has done it in the koran it was for the benefit of humanity and whih made him look more merciful.[/COLOR]
The answer to your question is in the Quran ,please read

{Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. …}[2: 106].

{And when We change a Verse [of the Qur'ân, i.e. cancel (abrogate) its order] in place of another, and Allâh knows the best of what He sends down, they (the disbelievers) say: "You (O Muhammad SAW) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar)." Nay, but most of them know not. Say (O Muhammad SAW) Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] has brought it (the Qur'an) down from your Lord with truth, that it may make firm and strengthen (the Faith of) those who believe and as a guidance and glad tidings to those who have submitted (to Allâh as Muslims).} [16: 101-102].

I hope its clear for you now ...
We Muslims submit to Allah completely and to His commands ..
The previous nations were destroyed because they used to argue with their Prophets and asked too many questions ,when the message was clear to them ..
Try to focus on more important things(Onnes of God,death ,Prophets ...) rather then investigating the issue of silk,this is my sincere advice to you ...

Thank you, for that, it does make things easier to undertand. I will no longer ask about beards or Hijab. After all as Muslims you all seem to have good reasosn for doing what you do, wearing what you do ( or not wearing) I'll keep my continuing confuse of the role of the hadith to myself from now on. Thanks again

Wish you all the best

Right back at yah!

 

[vegangoth]

Sorry vegangoth, I should have read the whole thread. Maybe Zainali can help us out here?

Not a problem! I've made a similar mistake recintley lol

I'm sure he will help us out when he reads it

 

[IslamIsLight]

Hi ,

I would love everyone to give me their take on these rather ugly pasages.

I'm hoping that I'm misunderstanding this ..
What are you calling ugly passages? I'm hoping you are not saying these about Quran or hadith ?
Can you clarify please ,thank you ..

Best regards

 

[abubaseer]

Hi Vegangoth,

I don't understand your post where you say "allahs says that dont make fun of any religion , cos in ignorance they might make fun of islam , which would be bad for them , so plz dont make any fun , i really request u."

Allah, or at least the Quran, makes fun of and disparages other religions frequently. Here are just a few quotes from the Quran:

Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. 2:191

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118

"Those [Christians and Jews] are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65

Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107

You have not even bothered to quote the full sentence in any of the case.


So the Steps to explain above verses is to read the Quran I will give you baby steps:
1.go to http://www.quranexplorer.com/
2. Read the complete verse in each case to get the context.
3. Read one verse before it and one verse after to get more details.

If you still donot understand it. Paste all 3 verses here and someone will answer it.

 

[IslamIsLight]

Hi

Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. 2:191

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118

"Those [Christians and Jews] are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65

Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107

What is the source of this ?I have a feeling you getting these from anti Islamic website ..This is taken out of context and twisted ,thats for sure ..

 

[abubaseer]

Hi


What is the source of this ?I have a feeling you getting these from anti Islamic website ..This is taken out of context and twisted ,thats for sure ..

Well Sister I think he didn't even care to read his own post LOL Just copy-pasted

 

[vegangoth]

Hi ,


I'm hoping that I'm misunderstanding this ..
What are you calling ugly passages? I'm hoping you are not saying these about Quran or hadith ?
Can you clarify please ,thank you ..

Best regards

Ok purley using only the quotes from this thread ( which I know have been taken out of context, probebly)

Call all non muslims liers is ugly

kill disbelivers where ever you find them is ugly

disbilevers are without intelligence, ugly

Saying that all non muslim hate muslims is ugly.

Again I'm only using those passages quoted on this thread. But I'm sure you see my point. It wouldn be ugly for me to say all muslims are liers, all muslims are stupid,all musilms should be killed.

 

[abubaseer]

Ok purley using only the quotes from this thread ( which I know have been taken out of context, probebly)

Call all non muslims liers is ugly

kill disbelivers where ever you find them is ugly

disbilevers are without intelligence, ugly

Saying that all non muslim hate muslims is ugly.

Again I'm only using those passages quoted on this thread. But I'm sure you see my point. It wouldn be ugly for me to say all muslims are liers, all muslims are stupid,all musilms should be killed.

You don't you go and atleast read those verses for yourself before commenting.
I have even given steps, I can't read them for you!

 

[vegangoth]

You don't you go and atleast read those verses for yourself before commenting.
I have even given steps, I can't read them for you!

I have read them. My version did not say they were turned into apes it said "Be you apes, despised and rejected" purley for not respecting the sabbath

Killing the disbilevers are for those that fight against Allah but you can't kill the at a mosque unless they fight you there, then it's all good. But I underrstand this passage( as much of the koran) was written during a time of war, where the unbeliver is not neceserly a non muslim but perhaps a rival clan member. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Almost every post on this whole forum that has people qouting the koran is done so out of context, just by quoting a certain part but leaving the rest out. It seems fine when it's a nice passage but when someone quotes a passage that can be interpreted as bad then it's all "Taken out of context"

 

[Asja]

Hi Vegangoth,

I don't understand your post where you say "allahs says that dont make fun of any religion , cos in ignorance they might make fun of islam , which would be bad for them , so plz dont make any fun , i really request u."

Allah, or at least the Quran, makes fun of and disparages other religions frequently. Here are just a few quotes from the Quran:

Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. 2:191

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118

"Those [Christians and Jews] are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65

Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107

Assalamu allaicum

I think this post has been posted intentionaly,and I think it should be deleted for the sake of Allah,becasue if some Muslim or Non Muslim with less knowlodge read it,he will think that Allah is alowing murders of inocent people.

Hello Vegangoth
In the Holy Quran Allah is forbidding us killing of inocent people,does not metter if they are unbelivers.Killing is only aloowed in the case of crossing Shariah Low (in some cases offcourse),and in the case of selfedefense.
You should understand that nobody is calling you ugly,and Inshallah I only wanted to make you understand this point,Inshallah.:tti_sister:

 

[vegangoth]

:salam2:


sister i think you are talking about surah tauba vers no 5 but also read vers no 6 here

Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (See V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
6 And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur'an), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not

Ok that gives another side to the story.

 

[zainali]

I don't understand your post where you say "allahs says that dont make fun of any religion , cos in ignorance they might make fun of islam , which would be bad for them , so plz dont make any fun , i really request u."

Allah, or at least the Quran, makes fun of and disparages other religions frequently. Here are just a few quotes from the Quran:

Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. 2:191

Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73

Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118

"Those [Christians and Jews] are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65

Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107





i never said the about things except this


allahs says that dont make fun of any religion , cos in ignorance they might make fun of islam , which would be bad for them , so plz dont make any fun , i really request u."


the rest is not by me , i dont know who said that ????????????

 

[zainali]

even in war like situation allahs say not to kill women, children , and dont not harm crops , how can some say that islam propagates the killing of non muslims may allah forgive us for even saying this ,

 

[vegangoth]

i never said the about things except this


allahs says that dont make fun of any religion , cos in ignorance they might make fun of islam , which would be bad for them , so plz dont make any fun , i really request u."


the rest is not by me , i dont know who said that ????????????[/QUOTE]

That's ok We/I know it wasn't you that quoted the koran, I was quoting someoe else who though that I had said what you did about Allah dosn't make fun of religon. I said it was you that said that not me. I just never botherd to cut the actuall quote shorter. Anyway the person who I was aiming it at knew what they had said. Confused? lol

 

[vegangoth]

even in war like situation allahs say not to kill women, children , and dont not harm crops , how can some say that islam propagates the killing of non muslims may allah forgive us for even saying this ,

I know that.

 

[Abdul Hasib]

hadith are the sayings of prophet mohammad (pbuh) these are all collected by his companion , which is called as hadith , its all how our beloved prophet (pbuh) practised islam and he is the best idol one can ever have , we follow him for one thing is that he is our prophet , and allah says to follow him , and after reading and understanding the hadith we can practice it in our daily life .

Brother PLEASE don't use the word idol! An idol is something that peolpe beleive is a higher being, and they WORSHIP that higher being because they think that "it's magnificant."

What's BETTER for you to say is: "The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is the best example/role model to follow."

Using such words like that leads to Kufr and Shirk.

 

[Abdul Hasib]

So if the hadith say's that Muslims men have to wear a beard ( as we have estblished on another thread) why don't many men do that?

It's like this: In Islam, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) forbade forcing a women into marriage without her consent. How about we ask: Why don't "Muslims" follow that?


Mainly just because they DON'T WANT TO! (< I'm not directing my anger at you)

They like hearing verses/Hadith about how "a wife needs to be obedient to her husband," but when it comes to this Sahih (pure Hadith): "The best of you are those who have the best of conduct (towards others), and who are the best to women (meaning respectful, polite, and who take care of them)," then they try to argue and fight about how "it's not true," just because it doesn't fit their DESIRES or their MINDSET.

 

[IslamIsLight]

salam aleikum

Brother PLEASE don't use the word idol! An idol is something that peolpe beleive is a higher being, and they WORSHIP that higher being because they think that "it's magnificant."

What's BETTER for you to say is: "The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is the best example/role model to follow."

Using such words like that leads to Kufr and Shirk.

Good point brother Abdul Hasib ,Jazakallah khair ..
We have to be careful in choosing our words.....
Remember that Prophet ,peace be upon him ,would always repeat and remind people that he is only a slave of Allah and His Messanger ..

waaleikum salam

 

[Abdul Hasib]

Oh yes I agree very much with that. But so much fuss is made of a woman who does not wear a hijab but very little is said about the men not wearing a beard. It's unfair.

That's because many of these "Muslims" are what Allah has said in the Quran as being known as: al Fasiqoon, or The Rebellious, when an order comes to them, they do NOT follow the orders, and try to make excuses of why not to do so.

 

[Der Fragende]

:salam2:

ishmael7, please look at this posts:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=348964&postcount=24

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=349204&postcount=36

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=349206&postcount=37

http://www.load-islam.com/wel_islam.php?topic_id=2

If you visit these pages, you may lose your biased way of interpretation.
Furthermore, I don't post these links for nothing.
They are worth a click, because of the explanations of misunderstood verses etc.
But if you don't read anything, please stop posting things, which have been discussed and explained.



PS: It's better to stop visiting anti-islamic sites.