FreedomFighter
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And the point of my reply was to show you that since you didn't analyze the beliefs you mentioned, your idea of the actual beliefs was greatly distorted. Which is why I asked you to read more.The point of my post was not to analyze ,refer to or define deeply and philosophically every religion, view or belief out there.
You have mentioned that creatures(like spiders or birds) do what they do because it's in their nature, not because they are 'taught' to do it.
So basically my point was to remind you, no matter how many times you go around and around with details, science, reasoning, laws, relativism, that we muslims believe in the Creator of that nature you are talking about, doesn't matter how you look at it or how you define it.
That's all. Maybe I just put it too simple for you that you don't get it . I see you like your endless phylosophy! (no offense! )
Sorry for not being as clear as I should have.
Be welcome to the site,once more.
Peace.
Hi Skepetic,
Peace
Welcome to the forum first of all.Secondly I respect that you are skeptic.Thirdly as a Muslim its my duty to tell you about Islam.Allah is known through reason.Qur'an exhorts us at many places to excplore things,learn them, understand them and see the signs therein and if we have the right mind and our hearts are open we will be guided and see the right from wrong.
I hope you'll benifit from this forum insha'allah.
Peace.
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Have you seen the evolutionary process with your own eyes?
(I am not talking about fossils etc.)
:salam2:
I guess it time to close this thread. Muslim job is not to convert anyone, his job is to pass on the message. Which brothers and sisters here have done. There is no compulsion in religion.
To you your way and to us ours.
i think this skeptic guy needs to take a step back and see all the modern political and economic problems caused due to lack of belief in God.
to say that religion is responsible for this is wrong. this was all caused by lack of belief in God
No I haven't seen the evolutionary process with my own eyes.
(I think I know where this is going...)
If you have not witnessed/or seen what you believe in.
Then you also have faith.
And that's pretty much why I said "I think I know where this is going."
Sure, you may call it what you want. If it helps you sleep better at night to think I have unjustified faith in anything, then by all means be my guest. You're not the first one who has actually twisted my ideas from this thread to desperately try and make it seem like I have a dogmatic belief.
But just for the record, I don't have faith in evolution. I actually knew you were going to mention faith right when you asked me to exclude the fossil records and the like. Well, if there was no evidence for it, I'd have no confidence in evolution, but since there is 150 years of strong evidence behind it, and not to mention the field of biology is dedicated to learning evolution, I'd be pretty facile to not believe in it.
LOL and there you go.
BUT unlike an evolutionist, we don't claim we see/know the unseen (unseen, over here meaning the past), but we bring the proof, and we believe in the unseen.
Actually no, I never said I know for 100%. I think 99.9% is more accurate. I can never for 100% say anything is anything. As I said before, science is based on probability, not claim. You claim for 100% you know how the world got here, and will deny any other explanation-I don't. Thats the difference between you and I. If something is far more probable than something else, the more confidence I have. Thats all.Because bottom line mate, no one has witnessed evolution, but you claim to have "proof" of evoltuon here, here and here. Yes absolutely 100% that is how it came to be. Even though you were not there to witness it.
Imaan(faith)= A claim based on lack of evidence.Now you know what Imaan is.
Hello Skeptic,
Welcome to TTI. I have not read this whole thread (you have a lot of replies) so I don't know if someone has already suggested it. But if you are really interested in the truth ask Allah to let you know. He is the only one who can guide you. Peace and may Allah show you the path
You really should try asking Allah it won't hurt inshallah.
Imaan(faith)= A claim based on lack of evidence.
Sure I know what it is
Thank you very much for the welcome. I appreciate it
I've tried asking Allah. I've tried being spiritual both as a Muslim and a Christian. In the end however, I have a higher standard for belief than the faith based minds. I do admire the spiritual side of Islam though-just not the unjustifiable claims.