Holocaust 'Ban' E-Mail Confusion.

[curious89]

E-mails are circulating, falsely claiming the UK has banned schools from teaching pupils about the Holocaust.

The suggestion is that this was done by the government to avoid offending some Muslim communities.

The source of the rumour may be a report that some history teachers were uncomfortable with sensitive subjects.

In fact the government has reaffirmed that in England, teaching children about the Holocaust is compulsory, and it is not banned elsewhere in the UK.

A number of people have contacted the BBC News website querying e-mails they have been sent.

One example is headed "In Memoriam".

It says: "Recently this week, UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offended' the Moslem [sic] population which claims it never occurred."

It adds: "This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it."

'Emotive'

The report that may have given rise to the alarm was commissioned by England's Department for Education and Skills from the Historical Association, which promotes the study and teaching of history.

It said: "Teachers and schools avoid emotive and controversial history for a variety of reasons, some of which are well-intentioned.

"Staff may wish to avoid causing offence or appearing insensitive to individuals or groups in their classes.

"In particular settings, teachers of history are unwilling to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship."

'Holocaust denial'

The report gave as an example a history department in "a northern city" which "recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils".

The government said there was scope for schools to make their own decisions on what to teach within England's national curriculum.

But a spokesman for England's Department for Education and Skills added: "Teaching of the Holocaust is already compulsory in schools at Key Stage 3 [ages 11 to 14].

"It will remain so in the new KS3 curriculum from September 2008."

He said Education Secretary Alan Johnson himself had stressed this.

There are separate national curriculums in Wales and in Northern Ireland, and 5-14 Guidelines in Scotland.

In those, Holocaust teaching is not compulsory but schools may teach it if they wish and this has not changed recently.

In Northern Ireland, for example, the Holocaust is given as an example of some of the things pupils "should" study.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6563429.stm

 

[Salem9022]

This is something I don't get, Whether the Holocaust was real or not what does that have to do with Muslims?

Muslims arn't the ones who did the Holocaust it was the christians in europe. So If Muslims believe it took place it won't change anything, and if they deny it, it won't change anything since it wasn't them who did it.

I don't know why they have Involve Muslims with the term Holocaust, when it was Christians who did.

This is a false flag, which they have made in order to shed the light that Muslims "deny" the Holocaust even though Muslims believe in it. This is another dirty trick from these Kuffar they want to make Muslims Look like Nazis by accusing them of being Holocaust-Deniers. It's a big campaign to make muslims look like demons.

 

[palestine]

right one salem, this is just another way for the non muslims to accuse muslims. anyways what they say or do is not gonna change the fact that islam will prevail. nor will it change the truth in any way. the more wrongs they make the more rights it leads to. meaning their hate leads to searching for the truth, which in return leads for many non muslims to become muslims. and allah knows well his deen and what he wants to do. salam.

 

[Mohsin]

:salam2:

Who has a problem with teaching the history ? What I have problem with is when people teach biased history.

Students should also be taught about Bosnia, Chechnia, Palestine or is it not even considered a part of history as theres nothing semetic about it ? They should also be taught about people like Justinian, James Aurthus Balfour and Churchill.

Balfour Declaration

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour

People believe its their right to declare such things and they should be respected for that. :astag:

Winston Churchill

[SIZE=-1]"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."[/SIZE]
On Palestinians and other lower races (in his view)

I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and nazism, I would choose communism.
Speaking in the House of Commons, autumn 1937

I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.
Writing as president of the Air Council, 1919

It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organising and conducting a campaign of civil disobedience, to parlay on equal terms with the representative of the Emperor-King.
Commenting on Gandhi's meeting with the Viceroy of India, 1931
(India is) a godless land of snobs and bores.

This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920

Justinian I

Justinian's religious policy reflected the imperial conviction that the unity of the Empire unconditionally presupposed unity of faith; and it appeared to him obvious that this faith could be only the Orthodox (Nicaean). Those of a different belief had to recognize that the process of consolidation, which imperial legislation had effected from the time of Constantius II, would now vigorously continue. The Codex contained two statutes[49] which decreed the total destruction of paganism, even in private life; these provisions were zealously enforced. Contemporary sources (John Malalas, Theophanes, John of Ephesus) tell of severe persecutions, even of men in high position.
Perhaps the most noteworthy event occurred in 529 when the Neoplatonic Academy of Athens was placed under state control by order of Justinian, effectively strangling this training-school for Hellenism. Paganism was actively suppressed. In Asia Minor alone, John of Ephesus claimed to have converted 70,000 pagans.[50] Other peoples also accepted Christianity: the Heruli,[51] the Huns dwelling near the Don,[52] the Abasgi,[53] and the Tzani in Caucasia.[54]
The worship of Amun at Augila in the Libyan desert was abolished;[55] and so were the remnants of the worship of Isis on the island of Philae, at the first cataract of the Nile.[56] The Presbyter Julian[57] and the Bishop Longinus[58] conducted a mission among the Nabataeans, and Justinian attempted to strengthen Christianity in Yemen by despatching a bishop from Egypt.[59]
The Jews, too, had to suffer; for not only did the authorities restrict their civil rights,[60] and threaten their religious privileges,[61] but the emperor interfered in the internal affairs of the synagogue,[62] and forbade, for instance, the use of the Hebrew language in divine worship. The recalcitrant were threatened with corporal penalties, exile, and loss of property. The Jews at Borium, not far from Syrtis Major, who resisted Belisarius in his Vandal campaign, had to embrace Christianity; their synagogue became a church.[63]
The emperor had much trouble with the Samaritans, finding them refractory to Christianity and repeatedly in insurrection. He opposed them with rigorous edicts, but yet could not prevent hostilities towards Christians from taking place in Samaria toward the close of his reign. The consistency of Justinian's policy meant that the Manicheans too suffered severe persecution, experiencing both exile and threat of capital punishment.[64] At Constantinople, on one occasion, not a few Manicheans, after strict inquisition, were executed in the emperor's very presence: some by burning, others by drowning.[65]

 

[Mohsin]

This is something I don't get, Whether the Holocaust was real or not what does that have to do with Muslims?

Muslims arn't the ones who did the Holocaust it was the christians in europe. So If Muslims believe it took place it won't change anything, and if they deny it, it won't change anything since it wasn't them who did it.

I don't know why they have Involve Muslims with the term Holocaust, when it was Christians who did.

This is a false flag, which they have made in order to shed the light that Muslims "deny" the Holocaust even though Muslims believe in it. This is another dirty trick from these Kuffar they want to make Muslims Look like Nazis by accusing them of being Holocaust-Deniers. It's a big campaign to make muslims look like demons.

Spot on Bro !

 

[curious89]

:salam2:

I agree with all your replies.

I also agree with Moshin that schools should also be taught about Bosnia, Chechnia, Palestine ect.

:astag: that such things are in the media about Islam.

 

[justoneofmillion]

:salam2:they got us saturated with these holocaust stories ,man they spend their whole lives complaining,millions of other ethnicities died between 1939 -1945,the only ones you hear still complaining are the Zionists as if they didn t know that yitsak shamir for example and other Zionists proposed alliance to Hitler against their own people ,am sick of this seriously,blacks have been subject to even more cruelty and oppression but you don t see them brainwashing peoples minds to legitimize their illegal methods and immoral and racist ideologies,and if some do so, nobody really takes them seriously,what about the Australian aborigines and native Americans!!!!!!! but no when it comes to Zionists some people believe them, and let them getaway with anything why!well because a lot of them are not even jews neither are they semitic,they are whites their ancestors were for the most part European !that is why the west believes them trust me! what a bunch of crying criminals.it is a DNA affinity issue a racist expression of compassion like no other....
Just look at this thread below that i posted yesterday, it is a quite interesting one.
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?p=225860#post225860
salaam
jameel

 

[blackivy393]

that is so silly for them not to teach the holocaust; so are they not going to teach about world war I either ? thats crazy

 

[cmelbouzaidi]

:salam2:

i am not about to suggest that the holocaust never happened but jews were not the only victims of hitler's nazi regime. what about all the gypsies, homosexuals and polish christians who also were tortured and executed under that regime? but we don't see movies about them do we?

unfortunately, it is a classic case of the abused becoming the abusers.... now the zionist jews are torturing and ethnically cleansing the palestinians, and we don't see films about that on western media either.....

 

[Phoyage]

This is something I don't get, Whether the Holocaust was real or not what does that have to do with Muslims?

Muslims arn't the ones who did the Holocaust it was the christians in europe. So If Muslims believe it took place it won't change anything, and if they deny it, it won't change anything since it wasn't them who did it.

I don't know why they have Involve Muslims with the term Holocaust, when it was Christians who did.

This is a false flag, which they have made in order to shed the light that Muslims "deny" the Holocaust even though Muslims believe in it. This is another dirty trick from these Kuffar they want to make Muslims Look like Nazis by accusing them of being Holocaust-Deniers. It's a big campaign to make muslims look like demons.

:salam2:
I agree with you 110%

 

[Shahzad]

welll this is all abt jews holding media very very strongly. Media shows wat Jews want rather than wat we want.

In last few years, 100 of media channels were bought by 5 or 6 major companies like fox etc

 

[TheHumbleWun]

This is something I don't get, Whether the Holocaust was real or not what does that have to do with Muslims?

Muslims arn't the ones who did the Holocaust it was the christians in europe. So If Muslims believe it took place it won't change anything, and if they deny it, it won't change anything since it wasn't them who did it.

I don't know why they have Involve Muslims with the term Holocaust, when it was Christians who did.

This is a false flag, which they have made in order to shed the light that Muslims "deny" the Holocaust even though Muslims believe in it. This is another dirty trick from these Kuffar they want to make Muslims Look like Nazis by accusing them of being Holocaust-Deniers. It's a big campaign to make muslims look like demons.

Salaam,

Good analysis. You might like to read these two posts. Enjoy.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87398&postcount=29

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=213540&postcount=38

 

[TheHumbleWun]

Salaam,

Brother Mohsin made a good point. If you are going to talk about history you have to be fair and talk about other countries history (i.e Palestine, Bosina, etc), which they don't in most public schools in America. This is oppression of the truth.

However, we have to know this - those who have world power are the ones that write history & control the textbooks, media, etc. Islam & Muslims countries were once on top of the world with it's scientific, philosophical, mathematic, medicine discoveries when Europe was in the "Dark Ages."

The law of gravity states - what goes up must come down. Like all empires (Byzantine, Roman, Ottoman, etc), history repeats itself. Those who are in command will get it's share of the pie. Allah swt test all nations and people.

 

[sha587]

its difficult for England to condemn.