Salam,
How do you know a person is created gay? Only Allah knows how He creates a person, do you any Hadith or Quranic reference to back this very generalized message?
No, I have none. My assumption is based on increasing scientific evidence, the burdens put on us and our free will to choose right from wrong.
Of course I will always give up my position immediately if someone can correct me with quranic/hadith references.
There is very much wrong with being gay, according to Islam it is a sin and must not be acted upon. Zinah is also a sin, you don't see us saying "Oh it's okay to have sex outside of marriage, we were made to have sex."
We need to differentiate the person from the act.
Is it wrong to struggle against urges that you cannot control ?
or
Is it wrong to indulge in these urges.
I believe that indulging in homosexual acts is what is wrong.
What I'm trying to say is, that you may be a gay person but that doesn't mean you should indulge in homosexuality. You have a choice.
You have the will and obligation to struggle against it throughout your life.
This is a choice.
Zinah is also a sin, you don't see us saying "Oh it's okay to have sex outside of marriage, we were made to have sex."
Thank you ! Precisely. I'm heterosexual and my eyes & mind sometimes do stray. I struggle to control my
urges for women in the same way a homosexual ought to struggle to control his urges for men.
I chose to start a family for God, and so can a homosexual
choose God over his own urges.
So in comparison, my being a lust-filled person that exerts a daily effort to live in Allah's way, does not mean I'm a bad person because of my burden. rather, my choices define my actions and ultimately the path I choose.
I do not believe homosexuals should be scape goated nor persecute them, but I do not feel we should normalize it either. If we see a brother or sister committing a wrong we are supposed to approach them gently and correct the bahavior, not judge them.
I agree completely, but let us differentiate between homosexuals that indulge in homosexual activity for their own gain from the ones that refrain from these powerful urges.
fwiw, I have a friend that is gay. I can't tell you how many times we have sat & talked about this over many many years. He cries alot about this and sometimes he feels like the burden is too great. But he is such a devout guy that he does not give up. He doesn't want to "be gay", but he
is. Mentally he is attracted to men, but he does everything he can to never act on this.
When we were younger, he would break down from the pressure, the only things that could console him was 1. the fact that he knew his struggle was for God and 2. that he had never let himself indulge in anything he would regret for 15 years (our age at the time).
He did better than me, because I regrettably did indulge in women whereas he was able to control himself.
He's one of my heroes because
everyday he struggles with this, and
everyday he chooses God over himself. He has started a family & they are expecting their first child in 4 months.
The message is that people like him are around, but they cannot even tell their families about their struggle.