horrors in libya

esperanza

revert of many years
the libyan people need our prayers for a peaceful future after all the suffering

Libya: Inside Tripoli's warehouse of horrorBy Orla Guerin

BBC News, Tripoli

Orla Guerin's report contains graphic and distressing images
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It is the smell that forewarns you of the horrors to come.

The nauseating stench of death reached out from the warehouse, curling around us, like a physical presence.

Inside the warehouse, under a still smouldering roof - we saw the charred remains of more than 50 bodies. Some were little more than skeletons. They were killed on Tuesday, in the dying days of the regime.

There were more bodies on the ground outside. A rope was still attached to one man's feet. We can't be sure how many more were killed in the compound. Local people had removed some bodies for burial on Saturday.

A gaunt elderly man, Fathallah Abdullah, wept in the warehouse doorway. He told us that he managed to escape the massacre inside, but without his three sons - Ibrahim, Abdul Hakim, and Ali. All four had been detained in mid-August in their hometown of Zlitan.

"I was there," he said pointing to a corner littered with skulls. "My sons were beside me. The whole area was packed with people, crowded in like animals. We were on top of one another. There was no space to put your feet down on the floor."

Up to 150 civilians from different parts of Libya were being held there, according to Fathallah. He says uniformed troops and mercenaries guarded them. Another survivor gave a similar estimate of the numbers.

The prisoners had been asking for water. The guards promised to bring it at sunset, but instead they came with guns.

"They started shooting," Fathallah said. "Then they threw grenades, three of them. They stopped and came back and started again."


The feet of one of those killed outside the warehouse were bound with rope When another prisoner kicked open the warehouse door Fathallah ran for cover and managed to hide under a truck. He says he lay there for hours, listening to a massacre he was powerless to stop.

"They were shooting up until two o'clock or three o'clock in the morning," he said. "Whoever is still alive they kill him."

Fathallah is certain that two of his sons were killed in the warehouse.

He is clinging to the hope that the third, Ali, may have survived, but there seems little chance of that. There has been no sign of him since the shooting stopped.

"My sons were just ordinary men but they were well liked by everyone," he said, his face wet with tears.

Outside the warehouse he greeted another survivor, Ali Hamouda, with a sombre handshake. Ali was uninjured but told us his cousin was among the dead.

Both men said some of Col Gadaffi's own troops were not spared. They too were imprisoned in the warehouse, presumably for not following orders.

"The soldiers were in the middle," Ali said. "They were sitting on blankets. They took them outside first. After that we heard gunshots. Maybe they executed them. Then they start to shoot us."

Visitors trickled into the compound on Sunday morning. There were shaken local residents and armed and angry rebels.


Fathallah Abdullah fears he has lost three sons in the massacre Some covered their mouths and noses trying to keep out the stench. One young man collapsed in grief and had to be helped away.

We know now that this warehouse compound was the location where a BBC team was held in March.

During their detention they were beaten and subjected to mock executions. One member of the team, BBC technician Chris Cobb Smith, returned to the scene on Sunday.

He identified the cell alongside the warehouse where the team had been held, and terrorised.

"We spent most of the night in that cell," he said.

"I must have watched every second tick by. We definitely heard people being beaten, and moved around in the compound. I think if it had been later on in the conflict, things may have turned out very differently for us."

Local people say the area around the Khamis Brigade Headquarters is a killing ground. We were told that human remains had already been recovered in several locations and removed for burial.

More atrocities?

When we visited one site, behind a mosque, we saw fresh burn marks on the ground where bodies might be have torched

As residents begin to reclaim their neighbourhoods, and the opposition take control of more of the regime's compounds, the fear is that more atrocities will come to light.

Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) estimates that between 57,000 and 60,000 men were arrested by Col Gadaffi's regime in the past six months. Around 10,000 have been freed.

The rebels are now asking, with increasing concern, where are the others?

As we left the warehouse local residents and survivors of the massacre were compiling lists of the dead, and recording information about those accused of killing them.

They may be hoping for justice in the new free Libya those in the warehouse did not live to see.
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esperanza

revert of many years
NATO orGADAFFI

Assalaam walaikum,

It is called NATO

why is everyone here so cynical...people on the ground libyans who have lived under gadaffi for 40 years will tell you how they witnessed massacres at hands of gadaffi forces,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
just see this news report ,and see the suffering of this old man at hands of gadaffi forces,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

Just a Guy

Reinventing Myself
:salam2:

I have hope that the transition of power will be peaceful, but my cynical side doubts that it will be. Just as it doubts that the West will be able to stay out of the new government.

I've seen too much of the world to remain naive about these things.
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
Well Gaddafi has lost the plot they are no more in power nor will come except if he has still money left with him he can do something small.

Hope the Libyan say to the west now they can handle from here and thanks. Already oil mongers have been chalking out plans where and how to pump.
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
Assalaam walaikum,

And the Israelis are on their way to Libya.

:salam2:

It is possible, even news right now are difficult to separate from rumours...



Libyan rebels may recognize Israel
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN

Backing of Jewish state may prompt Hezbollah, Iran to reconsider support

August 28, 2011

WASHINGTON – The rebels of Libya's National Transitional Council are prepared to recognize Israel diplomatically, and Israeli businessmen already are arriving in Libya to establish future business activities with the "new government," informed sources have told Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

"This area may just become Israel's new best friend in the Middle East," the source said.

The development would represent a major shift in Libya's foreign policy toward Israel and would provide the Jewish state with a sorely needed strategic friend among the Arab countries, since the overthrow of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in January placed Israeli-Egyptian relations on hold.

The influx of Israeli businessmen into Libya also reinforces earlier comments made by the French philosopher and journalist Bernard-Henri Levy, who claims that weeks ago he had passed a message to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a 90-minute meeting that the NTC was prepared to recognize Israel diplomatically.

Netanyahu's office confirms that the prime minister met with Levy but wouldn't comment on their discussion.

The NTC, however, issued a statement following Levy's comments saying that the French philosopher was received "as a special envoy from the president of France and relations with Israel was (sic) never discussed."

However, the NTC did not deny Levy's assertion that it would grant diplomatic recognition to Israel once in full control of Libya.

"The NTC has long believed Levy is an official French envoy," said Barak Barfi of the Washington-based New America Foundation.

"Even in its press release denying the existence of a message (to Israel), it called him 'a special envoy from the president of France,'" Barfi said. "The NTC knows Levy. They think he is an important figure fueling France's stance on Libya."

Barfi similarly expressed surprise that the NTC had given Levy the assurance that it would grant Israel diplomatic recognition.

He said that graffiti in parts of Benghazi display the Star of David next to Gadhafi's name with Arabic text calling him a Jew and a Mossad agent.

"They are comparing their worst enemies to each other," Barfi said.

"In relation to other Arab countries, I would rate Libya in the most anti-Israeli camp along with Syria and Yemen," Barfi said. "Though Libyans are less prone to see Israel's hand behind every conspiracy as Syrians and Yemenis do, they harbor deep anti-Israeli sentiments."

The fact that Israeli businessmen have descended on Libya, however, may reflect accurately on Levy's discussion with the NTC and his subsequent meeting with Netanyahu.

The NTC, Levy said, will be concerned with "justice for the Palestinians and security for Israel" but "the future regime will maintain normal relations with other democratic countries, including Israel."

Known in France as "BHL," Levy was a leader of the 1976 "Nouvelle Philosophie," or New Philosophy, movement. An intellectual who has been quite public on his views on an array of international issues ranging from Afghanistan to Bosnia, Iran and Pakistan, Levy was instrumental in getting France in March to be the first Western country to recognize the NTC as the legitimate government of Libya.

It was Levy who reportedly had put representatives from the Libyan opposition in contact with French President Nicolas Sarkozy days after he traveled to Benghazi after it fell from Gadhafi control.

According to sources, the NTC considers Levy to have a special relationship with Sarkozy that allows him to bypass normal diplomatic protocols.

http://www.uruknet.com/?p=m80894&hd=&size=1&l=e
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,


Sister,

I just want to wish you Eid Mubarak. While we are on at the same time.
Insha'Allah, we will resume the battle for Truth after Eid.

My love,
your aapa.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Do not ignore him. He is worth the time to listen to him. Did you watch the video. It's wake up time. He is telling the truth Big Time. I remember what happened in Philladelphia. I remember the bombing. I know what happened in Waco. There were preganant women and children. They bombed the compound.

Sister, it is time to wake up. Watch the video. Farakhan is a brilliant man. He is telling the truth.
 
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