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trying2learn

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A muslim man has a girlfriend and they have kids (but they are not married) but they live together, can the woman convert? (Let's just for arguments sake say they had a wedding ceremony to be 'married' in the eyes of GOD, but couldn't get legally married like recognized by the government, because he doesn't have all of his papers, and cannot get an ID) Can the woman convert? Does she have to wait to convert until their marriage is "legal"? What if she wanted to convert but died before she did? Please help.
 

GAZIJA

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A muslim man has a girlfriend and they have kids (but they are not married) but they live together, can the woman convert? (Let's just for arguments sake say they had a wedding ceremony to be 'married' in the eyes of GOD, but couldn't get legally married like recognized by the government, because he doesn't have all of his papers, and cannot get an ID) Can the woman convert? Does she have to wait to convert until their marriage is "legal"? What if she wanted to convert but died before she did? Please help.

First he can not have a girlfriend and he is commiting a MAJOR sin here, regadless of that a conversion does not depend of their marriage. But if she is about to convert(revert) and become a muslimah, than she can not be living with him unmarriad, because by reverting she is cleaning herslef of her previous sins and becoming obedient to Allah. It is enough for them to get marriad in a Majsid in front of the Imam and have witneses. If they can not get married by the state just now than they can wait, but they HAVE TO GET MARRIED according to islamic law.

She can convert, because she is doing it for the sake of Allah and not for the sake of the state, and she does not have to wait to get married by the state and then make her reversion(if that is what yiu asked).
If she dies now and stayed christion or whatever she is now, Allah knows what her situation will be in thye hereafter, because she had attention of reverting.
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
:wasalam:,

1. she should convert for the sake of God and not marriage. so she should convert right now. let her say shahadah *there is no one worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah*.

2. to have Islamic marriage, there is a need of wali + 2 witnesses as well.
 

JenGiove

Junior Member
Trying2Learn...

In my VERY VERY limited understanding...I take it to be akin to, when in a christian wedding the paster says "and who gives this woman away in marrage" and the "wali" (father, uncle, brother, close family friend...etc) stands up and says "I do" and places the woman's hand in the new husbands....
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
Trying2Learn...

In my VERY VERY limited understanding...I take it to be akin to, when in a christian wedding the paster says "and who gives this woman away in marrage" and the "wali" (father, uncle, brother, close family friend...etc) stands up and says "I do" and places the woman's hand in the new husbands....

yes, you are almost there. the wali says like "i give my daughter to you in marriage" and the groom says i accept (in presence of 2 witnesses.)
 

Munawar

Striving for Paradise
:salam2:
Let me say this:

Humanity has been around for a very long time, during this time people have lived and are still living in small villages where there are little or no facilities that a modern town has. In these places to get married they don't go to a court etc. Here people get together and announce that now this man and woman are husband and wife. That is it... For instance bedouins living in deserts, they just hand over their daughter to a man in front of other member bedouins while a older member performs the nikah ceremony and wedding is done without any paper or court.

Over the past 14 centuries I am sure many Muslim communities lived like this. So in the sight of Allah when a man and a women declare in front of other people of their community with Allah as their witness that from now on they will live together as husband and wife, this is a marriage. But if you have facility to document your marriage then it is recommended that you should document it. And it is recommended that you also follow the norm of the society you live in.

Having said that suppose there is a complicated legal roadblock in getting "legally married", then what would you do? Or imagine like Jews when they were hunted by Nazis in Germany and they were hiding, so suppose some Muslims are in the same situation and they want to get married in the eyes of Allah... Then what they should do? In this situation then they can assemble their friends and relatives and can have a wedding done privately. The reason a wali is needed is that the wali is a person who safeguards the right of the woman (normally a father or brother or uncle). But if the situation is such that the woman is already living with the man and already have kids with him and they just want to convert their sinful relation into a sinless relation, then the reason to have a wali in my opinion is not really needed. A wali talks to the man before wedding and settles how much "mahr" would be (i.e. the money/gift the husband must give to his bride etc, because normally the woman has not talked to the man before her wedding). Here the situation is opposite, I am sure she can handle the negotiations herself, but if she can find a wali then it would be more proper.

For the woman to convert to Islam for the sake of a man or marriage is not wonderful or even needed. She should convert after understanding Islam and for the sake of Allah. Only then she could be a good Muslimah in the eyes of Allah (SWT).

My dua is that may Allah have mercy on these two souls and accept their wedding and accept their repentance, and remove all their sins and give them hidayah (guidance) so that they live the rest of their lives as good pious Muslims and grant their whole family Jannah Al-Firdous in the hereafter. Ameen!

:wasalam:
 

Munawar

Striving for Paradise
:wasalam:,

1. she should convert for the sake of God and not marriage. so she should convert right now. let her say shahadah *there is no one worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah*.

2. to have Islamic marriage, there is a need of wali + 2 witnesses as well.

:salam2:
Brother Ahmed has said correctly. She should convert without delay. Because nobody knows how long he/she will live, so convert right away.

Then have a Islamic wedding. You don't need a big wedding (you can have a big wedding if you want to), but just as brother Ahmed said "a wali and 2 witnesses" will do too.
:wasalam:
 

IHearIslam

make dua 4 ma finals
Assalaamu alaikum dear sister,

-ALL she needs is ISLAMIC wedding...like brother Ahmed mentioned, she needs a guardian and two witnesses....and insha'Allaah the marriage will be valid according to Shari'ah. Reverting to Islam should not be delayed...I ask Allaah subhanahu wata'ala to help his servants. ameen

with that said, it should be done immediately and it should be for Allaah's sake only.

I ask Allaah to guide those who are seeking guidance, ameen
 
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