IS IT RIGHT FOR A MUSLIMAH LIKE TO POSE SO MANY QUESTIONS?

[hayat84]

:salam2:
while I was "sailing"in the web,my eyes fell into a matterwhich made me feel very very little:the width of the Universe and in particular the presence of the "Black Holes" in the space.I wonder from where they take form.I see this phenomenon under the scientific aspect,but I also would know if for a muslimah like me it's right to pose so many questions about the "unknown"
I'm so curious,but I also can't find calmness to my "thirst" of knowledge.the technologies of nowdays allow us to see with the help of some big teleschopes many stars and galaxies many "light-years"far.
I thought:-how much little the Human Being is!-
But on the other hand my fantasy flies towards those unknown places and I wonder what is there over a black hole.When Allah created the universe,He surely created also these strange "whirpools" in the space.Sbhanallah,I'm so little in front of the Creation,that in some cases I get confused about the questions I pose to myself.the only one who had the fortune to travel through the 7 Heavens was Muhammed SAWS.if only I could see what's overthere...maybe my brain would not resist to the excess of informations and maybe it would collaps,like many stars in the universe.
maybe nobody of my tti brothers or sisters can answer my question,but I just felt the necessity to share this feeling of "anxiety"and "shiver"with you.:shake:

 

[Mabsoot]

Assalamu alaykum,

I also would know if for a muslimah like me it's right to pose so many questions about the "unknown"

Firstly, whether you are male or female it does not matter. Everyone has the equal right to seek knowledge and teach.

Secondly, Black holes or other scientific phenomena are not knowledge of the unseen. If anything, you could study physics, become an astronomer etc, even make your own discoveries!

Although, do keep in mind that much of what we know about space and quantum physics is purely theoretical.

Islam does not stop anyone from learning, rather it encourages people to study and to think.

The only thing to be careful about is when we learn about the matters of the unseen, such as paradise and hellfire, the day of judgement, the angels and the jinn, we should believe and stick firmly to what we know from the evidences of the Quran and the Sunnah.

 

[JenGiove]

:salam2: Dear Sweet Sister,

As Mabsot said, there is a difference between the "unseen" and the "unknown". Yes, it is humbling to think beyond our own small earth word to the vastness of space and time/history. We humans think in a limited linier fashion. The thought that it there have been things around for billions upon billions of years is beyond our comprehension of experience, BUT, that same vastness can bring us a greater appreciation of the vastness of Allah's presence. To try and imagine, for a split second, that not only has Allah existed for time infinite but that he himself CREATED everything, including time itself, IS shivering! What better way to draw closer to Allah then to acknowledge what we can not comprehend?!

Sister, the mind is a wonderful tool which Allah created. We are the only beings to exist that have imagination. A gift to only us! Science starts out with one person saying "what if". Use that gift in a way that Allah wanted us to, to explore his creations.....and that includes the "unknown". There is an expression that says "a stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet". In terms of space, "the universe is just a world you haven't explored yet".

 

[hayat84]

:salam2:
thanks a lot for your opinions.the human mind is able to image everything and put it in itself.I was enchanted,when I saw all those strange "presences" made of light and turning until the resuck the light itself!I really got fashinated and I still tremble in front of this phenomena.I can say to be a fortunate person,because I was born in this Epoca and I knew Islam as a way to follow.
But what is making me think much,is the fact that a scientific theory says that-the universe is getting bigger and it one day may burst like a baloon,because the gravity force it will make the universe collapse to itself.only Allah know how and when we will finish our existence,and maybe the theory of the end of universe is just a speculation for not to admit that everything was created by some One,and that this some One is Allah.but science can't be mixed with faith.
maybe my mind has flied too much far and need to stay with the feet over the ground.I'll reduce my "travels"by watching those wonderful and mysterious whirpools among the universe.
If I devide myself between rational and irrational,I could say that I have the tendence to be irrational,because even if I'm a human being and I maybe am better than an animal,I am relly "invisible" for the universe.
Somewhere I read a phrase which made me tremble:-When then Prophet SAWS asked to the Angel of Death to show him his strenght,the angel brought him in the space and showed him the whole Universe while the angel was keeping it in his hands.The angel of Death really keeps the universe in his hands??And we humans think to be superior...

 

[JenGiove]

:salam2:

Sister, I'm not so sure if science can't be mixed with faith. Think about this, in the Qur'an there is much science mentioned. One that YOU should know quite well is the origins of man being from a clot of blood. During the time of the Prophet, that would have seemed like science-fiction and only those believers would have felt it to be truth. It was a matter of faith. Now, with the development of ultrasound technology, we know it to be science. So, faith AND science can work together. Sometimes faith comes first.

What if the Wright Brother's had never imagined the possibility of flight? "People, flying like birds? NEVER!". That's what people said. Now we have rockets that fly to Mars and take pictures. We are learning more and more about our universe because Allah gave us the gift of imagination. We can think "outside the box" and so, faith and science come together and wisdom and understanding expand...like the universe.

Physics is the imagination expressed as mathematical theory and humans try to test those theories. Yet another creation of Allah, the ability to think independently.

 

[hayat84]

:salam2:
yes,what you said it's true and maybe we can continue to discuss about the matter all the day long.there is much to say.Giordano Bruno and Galileo Galilei theorized that the Earth was Spherical,not for faith,but for science,while Church belived the contrary not for faith,but for ignorance.wow,a spot of blood,it's something unexplicable.the miracle of creation can be now transformed into a normal praxis.do you know what's happening today??because of human's desire of knowledge,it is changing the order of things,so that now also an ultra 5o years old woman can be pregnant and-Worst-people can have children without following what Quran has said us.so omosexuals can be parents.What a shame.Maybe this is really the End of Time,where Human being has nothing more to discover and starts to destroy what of beauty is remaining on this Dunya

 

[ShahnazZ]

What if the Wright Brother's had never imagined the possibility of flight? "People, flying like birds? NEVER!".

The Wright brothers were not the pioneers of flight. History has proven that Abbas Ibn Firnas, the Muslim Andalusian chemist from 9th century Spain attempted the first scientific manned flight 1000 years before the Wright brothers even existed. A topic was created on this forum about him a few years back:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8304

*sigh* Yet another Islamic achievement stolen by Western civilization.

Sister Hayat, this also proves that even the earliest Muslims were asking the same questions as you to the point where Muslims became pioneers in astronomy and flight! I urge you to read the history of Meriam al-Astrolabiya to see the amazing contributions she made to the field of astronomy. You might just have more in common with her than you think

 

[hayat84]

thank you sister ShahnazZ,I'll listen to your purpose.But I put in clear that I don't like astronomy or some others theory about the movements of stars and planet.Many people published mountains of books,but they remained only "printed words",but I'll read something about the person you mentioned,maybe we'll really have something in common,Black Holes too!
:shake:

 

[Abu Talib]

Shahnazz I was about to post that its really amazing to see Muslims were pioneers of many inventions sadly after that no one could carry on. The Arabs were very knowledgable interms of Astronomy so its very obvious they had made major advancements in Astronomy they still have the Astrolabe in Museums



BlackHoles!! Somepeople think its hell and fire inside it is burning since ages...lol

 

[ShahnazZ]

thank you sister ShahnazZ,I'll listen to your purpose.But I put in clear that I don't like astronomy or some others theory about the movements of stars and planet.Many people published mountains of books,but they remained only "printed words",but I'll read something about the person you mentioned,maybe we'll really have something in common,Black Holes too!
:shake:

Depends on what you've read about astronomy. As Brother Mabsoot pointed out, many astronomical theories are just that: theoretical. They should probably be taken with a grain of salt. I personally am proud to see that our Muslim predecessors made such fantastic contributions and discoveries within so many amazing fields, including the field of astronomy. That alone would make astronomy appealing to me in addition to the fact that it testifies to the wonder of our Beloved Rabb.

By the way, I also hope you're not getting confused with astrology. Now THAT is a field we shouldn't spend too much time on...

 

[JenGiove]

The Wright brothers were not the pioneers of flight. History has proven that Abbas Ibn Firnas, the Muslim Andalusian chemist from 9th century Spain attempted the first scientific manned flight 1000 years before the Wright brothers even existed. A topic was created on this forum about him a few years back:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8304

*sigh* Yet another Islamic achievement stolen by Western civilization.

Sister Hayat, this also proves that even the earliest Muslims were asking the same questions as you to the point where Muslims became pioneers in astronomy and flight! I urge you to read the history of Meriam al-Astrolabiya to see the amazing contributions she made to the field of astronomy. You might just have more in common with her than you think

:salam2:

Allow me to correct myself. The Wright brothers were the first to invent the first POWERED, CONTROLLED and SUSTAINED airplane....I never even knew about Abbas Ibn Firnas. I'm not sure if "stolen" is a good word since it has been almost 30 years since I was in formal schooling that would teach about the Wright Brothers. So please, do not accuse "Western Civilization" of theft for my own ignorance.

 

[JenGiove]

By the way, I also hope you're not getting confused with astrology. Now THAT is a field we shouldn't spend too much time on...

I wondered the same since they sound similar to someone who doesn't speak English as a first language.

 

[arzafar]

actually i think that astronomy is a waste of time and money. I mean what exactly did landing on the moon or finding water in mars did? As i write this, people are starving to death. Most scientific knowledge is useless for all practical purposes. in fact only medical science is really worth the trouble but today even that is full of corruption.

 

[JenGiove]

NASA Spinoffs...

http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html

posting how much technology and knowledge comes from going into space would take up too much space on the TTI computer servers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off

 

[Abu Talib]

Ah yes this reminded me they also said that years back they used the same technology to go space which is present in the Iphone today.

arzafar really sometimes its make me wonder what these guys going on moon or planets just scrap some mud and come back..lol well I believe they do more for defense purposes and also the famous Space hotel concept Wallahu A'lam whats true

 

[ShahnazZ]

I'm not sure if "stolen" is a good word since it has been almost 30 years since I was in formal schooling that would teach about the Wright Brothers. So please, do not accuse "Western Civilization" of theft for my own ignorance.

The word "stolen" was not pertaining to you. I was not basing the actions of western civilization on what YOU knew. I was basing them on fact in general that we ALL grew up learning in the United States. And it is a well known fact that European and Western civilization have claimed achievements for themselves that were initially contributed by Muslim scholars during the Golden ages.

 

[arzafar]

^^^ i guess the growth of broadband internet is spin off the *!*!*!*! industry. Not to mention implants, reconstruction surgery and innovative sex toys. maybe the *!*!*!*! industry should receive more funding.

Jokes aside this is a useful link
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/world hunger facts 2002.htm

At least 80% of humanity lives on less than $10 a day.
http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats

off course having usurped the resources of many a nations over the years through economical and military means, the US can afford to fund NASA operations. However, much of the rest of the world's population, particularly those who oppose US imperialism and hegemony (africa, south america, central asia), have absolutely no need of NASA's space missions or its spin off technologies.

 

[abu'muhammad]

actually i think that astronomy is a waste of time and money. I mean what exactly did landing on the moon or finding water in mars did? As i write this, people are starving to death. Most scientific knowledge is useless for all practical purposes. in fact only medical science is really worth the trouble but today even that is full of corruption.

Assalamu alaykum,

And of man-power too.There was a thread on tti posted on as - nasa wants muslim countries, especially the middle east to get involve into space endeavours as just the costs getting huge and so thus can be shared. Perhaps For all such endeavours apart from some pictures there is nothing more.

 

[JenGiove]

Water purification

NASA engineers are collaborating with qualified companies to develop systems intended to sustain the astronauts living on the International Space Station and future Moon and space missions. This system turns wastewater from respiration, sweat, and urine into drinkable water. Commercially, this system is benefiting people all over the world who need affordable, clean water, especially in remote locations. By combining the benefits of chemical adsorption, ion exchange, and ultra-filtration processes, this technology can yield safe, drinkable water from the most challenging sources, such as in underdeveloped regions where well water may be heavily contaminated.


Food safety

Faced with the problem of how and what to feed an astronaut in a sealed capsule under weightless conditions while planning for human space flight, NASA enlisted the aid of The Pillsbury Company to address two principal concerns: eliminating crumbs of food that might contaminate the spacecraft’s atmosphere and sensitive instruments, and assuring absolute absence of disease-producing bacteria and toxins. Pillsbury developed the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point (HACCP) concept to address NASA’s second concern. HACCP is designed to prevent food safety problems rather than to catch them after they have occurred. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has applied HACCP guidelines for the handling of seafood, juice, and dairy products


Enriched baby food

Commercially available infant formulas now contain a nutritional enrichment ingredient that traces its existence to NASA-sponsored research on algae as a recycling agent for long-duration space travel. The substance, formulated into the products life’sDHA and life’sARA and based on microalgae, can be found in over 90% of the infant formulas sold in the United States, and are added to infant formulas in over 65 other countries. Martek Biosciences Corporation's founders and principal scientists acquired their expertise in this area while working on the NASA program. The microalgae food supplement was inducted into the Space Foundation Space Technology Hall of Fame in 2009.


Artificial limbs

Advancements such as Environmental Robots Inc.’s development of artificial muscle systems[6] for use in NASA space robotic and extravehicular activities have been adapted to create more functionally dynamic artificial limbs. Other commercial uses of NASA’s temper foam include moldable materials offering the natural look and feel of flesh, as well as preventing friction between the skin and the prosthesis, and heat/moisture buildup.


Ventricular assist device

Collaboration between NASA, Dr. Michael DeBakey, Dr. George Noon, and MicroMed Technology Inc. resulted in a heart pump for patients awaiting heart transplants. The MicroMed DeBakey ventricular assist device (VAD) functions as a “bridge to heart transplant” by pumping blood until a donor heart is available. The pump is approximately one-tenth the size of other currently marketed pulsatile VADs. Because of the pump’s small size, fewer patients developed device-related infections. It can operate up to 8 hours on batteries, giving patients the mobility to do normal, everyday activities


Infrared ear thermometers

Diatek Corporation and NASA developed an aural thermometer, which weighs 8 ounces (230 g) and uses infrared astronomy technology to measure the amount of energy emitted by the eardrum, the same way the temperature of stars and planets is measured. This method avoids contact with mucous membranes, and permits rapid temperature measurement of newborn or incapacitated patients. NASA supported the Diatek Corporation through the Technology Affiliates Program.


Light-emitting diodes (LEDs)


The Warp 10 uses NASA LED technology to ease pain and speed healing.


The work on applying light-emitting diodes in NASA space shuttle plant growth experiments led to the development of a hand-held, high-intensity, LED unit developed by Quantum Devices Inc. The WARP 10 is said to relieve minor muscle and joint pain, stiffness,and increases local blood circulation. The WARP 10 is being used by the U.S. Department of Defense and U.S. Navy as a noninvasive “soldier self-care” device for minor injuries and pain. The next-generation WARP 75 has been used to relieve pain in bone marrow transplant patients, and will be used to combat the symptoms of bone atrophy, multiple sclerosis, diabetic complications, Parkinson’s disease, and in a variety of ocular applications.[3]:10-11 Light-emitting diodes for medical purposes were inducted into the Space Foundation's Space Technology Hall of Fame in 2000.

You're right....NASA technology is pointless and a waste of money...I guess all these advancements are pointless too. Do a search:

http://www.sti.nasa.gov/spinoff/database

 

[hayat84]

:salam2:
I'm surprised that this thread has got so many posts:blackhijab:.
I don't wish to go out of topic,because I was just making a "travel" towards somewhere it's humanly impossible.I liked the shape of black holes,and I'll maybe put my focus to this matter,I don't know why they attract me so much.Astrology is a bad thing!I know what is it,and I only look at the stars as beautiful part of the creation of Allah,I really liked your post and I recognized that I'm not alone here on tti!:shake:
May Allah bless you all