Is this Hadith Authentic??
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All creatures are God's children, and those dearest to God are the ones who treat His children kindly.(Baihaqi)
I just came across it and was wondering about it's authenticity, JazaakAllah.
Ahh yeah, so insha'Allah if anyone knows, tell me.
salam alaykum little sister,
where did u get that from, so i can find it. I never heard of that.
May Allah sva reward u.salamu alaykum
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All creatures are God's children, and those dearest to God are the ones who treat His children kindly.(Baihaqi)
I just came across it and was wondering about it's authenticity, JazaakAllah.
Ahh yeah, so insha'Allah if anyone knows, tell me.
Very strange...
does not abide by islamic idealogy... sounds more like christian or jewish.
Allah u'alam.
let me know what it is.
Abdul Hasib
Student of Knowledge
That sounds like a Christian thing. Remember everyone that there's a differance between ISlam and other religions cause we beleive in worshipping olny gods while most Christians (who are mostyly Catholic) worship humans and say they worship God. yeah whatever!
aisha16
Junior Member
salam alaykum little sister,
where did u get that from, so i can find it. I never heard of that.
salamu alaykum
Asalaam
At first I found it on a flyer I got from my Masjid, it didn't sound right to me (I know I am not a scholar, but the wording is a bit strange...i.e. the children part). So I checked online, and found on many sites that had it. It has been narrated by Baihagi, i am not familiar with him either, so perhaps this is why I haven't heard the hadith before. Anyway I just wanted to know if it was a weak hadith perhaphs, or maybe translated differently...
Allah Knows Best
that is what I thought first, i said originally it sounded "shirky" and christian, but i erased it because if the hadith is authentic then that wouldn't be a good thing to say, would it?
I am confused, please someone help me.
Ma'salaama
aisha16
Junior Member
Exactly, that is what I thought....
justoneofmillion
Junior Member
assalamu aleikum,sister any hadith that contradicts the teachings and fundamental concepts of The QURAN is not from rassouloullah saw so if you have any doubt go back to the quran!i siter no matter how charming it may sound the relation between Allah swt and his creation should be clear to all of us. these are the most basic principles!the hadiths help us to implement the teachings of the quran so ask yourself how does this particular "hadith" affect your practical approach with your children in any different way that other known authentic hadiths about the subject do? doesn`t the quran tell us to reflect and observe to use our brains?
wassalam
wassalam
:salam2:
I am posting here as a warning to certain members.
DO NOT PLACE YOUR OWN FATWA !!!
I am VERY serious in this matter. It is complete idiocy for any of us to say whether something like this is Kufr, or if So-and-so is commiting Shirk, or if it means you cannot do this and that. ASTAGFIR'ULLAH!! I cannot stress this point to any greater degree I think. Wallahi, it is one thing to give advice, but in matters of Islam, you nor I have the right to declare something forbidden/Haram.
First of all, we do not have enough knowledge. Second, we do not have the understanding to be able to strictly interpret any knowledge we do have. And Lastly, these are things of the Scholars! We simply have no right.
May Allah forgive me if I have said something wrong.
It is better to remain silent then speak in ignorance I think. Insha'Allah, someone can find out for sure how authentic this Hadith is. Bayhaqi itself is not a bad source for Hadith, however there are Da'eef Hadith in many places, or perhaps the Scholars have a better interpretation on what this could mean persay.
Until then, Stick to the Rules and watch your opinions, giving another person the wrong information is a TTI Crime and will be punished as such. - thanks.
I am posting here as a warning to certain members.
DO NOT PLACE YOUR OWN FATWA !!!
I am VERY serious in this matter. It is complete idiocy for any of us to say whether something like this is Kufr, or if So-and-so is commiting Shirk, or if it means you cannot do this and that. ASTAGFIR'ULLAH!! I cannot stress this point to any greater degree I think. Wallahi, it is one thing to give advice, but in matters of Islam, you nor I have the right to declare something forbidden/Haram.
First of all, we do not have enough knowledge. Second, we do not have the understanding to be able to strictly interpret any knowledge we do have. And Lastly, these are things of the Scholars! We simply have no right.
May Allah forgive me if I have said something wrong.
It is better to remain silent then speak in ignorance I think. Insha'Allah, someone can find out for sure how authentic this Hadith is. Bayhaqi itself is not a bad source for Hadith, however there are Da'eef Hadith in many places, or perhaps the Scholars have a better interpretation on what this could mean persay.
Until then, Stick to the Rules and watch your opinions, giving another person the wrong information is a TTI Crime and will be punished as such.
- thanks.
abdul Qadir
remember death
Allah in the Quran says
AL-IKHLAS (SINCERITY) Chapter 112:
1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3 He begets not, nor is He begotten.
4 And there is none like unto Him.
"3 He begets not, nor is He begotten."
meaning of beget
To be the biological father of:
Quran 112:3 says Allah has no children .... so how can this "hadith" say "All creatures are God's children" :astag: :astag: :astag: :astag:
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Subhan'Allah. i've searched and searched and EACH time this SAME hadith, exact wording comes up in the EXACT same article.
It was excerpted from the Book: Sayings of Muhammad by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad
I have no idea about it except that, and have not seen it anywhere except that it was referenced to the above source as well as Baihaqi.
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Subhan'Allah. i've searched and searched and EACH time this SAME hadith, exact wording comes up in the EXACT same article.
It was excerpted from the Book: Sayings of Muhammad by Prof. Ghazi Ahmad
I have no idea about it except that, and have not seen it anywhere except that it was referenced to the above source as well as Baihaqi.
<wasalam>
Happy 2BA Muslim
Islamophilic
:salam2:
I am posting here as a warning to certain members.
DO NOT PLACE YOUR OWN FATWA !!!
I am VERY serious in this matter. It is complete idiocy for any of us to say whether something like this is Kufr, or if So-and-so is commiting Shirk, or if it means you cannot do this and that. ASTAGFIR'ULLAH!! I cannot stress this point to any greater degree I think. Wallahi, it is one thing to give advice, but in matters of Islam, you nor I have the right to declare something forbidden/Haram.
First of all, we do not have enough knowledge. Second, we do not have the understanding to be able to strictly interpret any knowledge we do have. And Lastly, these are things of the Scholars! We simply have no right.
May Allah forgive me if I have said something wrong.
It is better to remain silent then speak in ignorance I think. Insha'Allah, someone can find out for sure how authentic this Hadith is. Bayhaqi itself is not a bad source for Hadith, however there are Da'eef Hadith in many places, or perhaps the Scholars have a better interpretation on what this could mean persay.
Until then, Stick to the Rules and watch your opinions, giving another person the wrong information is a TTI Crime and will be punished as such.
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Jazakee Allahu khayran Sister Samiha for your warning!!!
The hadeeth mentioned was narrated by al-Bazzaar and Abu Ya’la from Anas, and says, “All of mankind are the dependents of Allaah, and the most beloved of them to Allaah are those who are most helpful to their dependents.”
This is a very weak (da’eef jiddan) hadeeth as al-Albaani said in Da’eef al-Jaami’, hadeeth no. 2946.
Any Muslim who says, “We believe that we are all the children of Allaah” should be asked to explain what he means before any judgement is made concerning him.
1 – If what he means by being children is the metaphorical meaning, which is that people are dependent upon Allaah, and he is using this word for a purpose allowed in sharee’ah, such as refuting the Christians who say that the Messiah is the son of God, then there is nothing wrong with that if he uses it only with Christians in order to show that their belief is false, but he should not use it with others lest that generate confusion and misunderstanding. That is because one of the means of showing the Christians’ beliefs concerning ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) to be false is to use the same expressions as are mentioned in their holy Book (the Bible) to prove that others were described as “sons of God” as well as ‘Eesa, which clearly indicates that what is meant by being a son of God in the texts of the Gospels is not “sonship” in the literal sense, which St. Paul claimed for Jesus in order to lead them astray from belief in Divine Oneness (Tawheed). St. Paul based his argument on the confusion that may arise from the use of the words “father” and “son”. Some of the Bible texts that may used to refute their argument are as follows:
In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus said of those who believed in him:
“They are like the angels. They are God’s children since they are children of the resurrection.”
[Luke 20:36]
And in the Book of Isaiah:
“Bring back My sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth”
[Isaiah 43:6]
And this is what was said describing God as the Father, as it is narrated in the Gospel of Matthew that the Messiah said to his students:
“If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.”
[Matthew 6:1]
In the Gospel of Luke:
“When you pray say, ‘Our Father, Who art in heaven…’”
[Luke 11:2]
In the Gospel of John:
“I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God.”
[John 20:17]
The Christians do not say that the angels, the Children of Israel and the Disciples were sons of God in a literal sense, or that God was their father in a literal sense, rather they interpret that in a metaphorical sense, i.e., that He is a father to them in the sense of blessing them, being kind to them, protecting them and taking care of them, and they are His children in the sense that they worship Him, need Him and are dependent upon Him.
This demonstrates the falseness of their understanding of ‘Eesa being the son of God, basing their argument on some texts that say that he is the son of God.
2 – If he means that all people are children of Allaah just as ‘Eesa is the son of Allaah, in the sense of the Christian belief, then this is kufr (disbelief) that is worse than the kufr of the Christians.
3 – If he means that we are all children of Allaah or dependent upon Him, with no difference between Muslims and kaafirs, and he means that the Jews, Christians and idol-worshippers are not kaafirs, then this is riddah or apostasy from Islam, because whoever doubts that the Jews and Christians are kaafirs or approves of their religions is a kaafir, according to scholarly consensus.
4 – If he means thereby to justify using the word “brother” for Jews and Christians, because we are all the children of Allaah, this is false, because there is no brotherhood between the believers and the disbelievers. The hadeeth (which some may interpret as meaning that all men are brothers) has been proven to be not saheeh. Even if it was saheeh, it could not be interpreted in this fashion.
We must beware of using confusing words which may cause a person to fall into something haraam or make people think badly of him, especially words which have to do with the Oneness of Allaah (Tawheed) and His Uniqueness in His names and attributes. For the rights of Allaah take precedence and must be taken care of, and we must avoid anything that may violate them, especially when those words are used by the Jews and Allaah quotes them in the Qur’aan in the context of condemnation.
“And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: ‘We are the children of Allaah and His loved ones.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?’ Nay, you are but human beings of those He has created…”
[al-Maa’idah 5:18 – interpretation of the meaning]
And Allaah knows best.
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aisha16
Junior Member
JazaakAllah Sis Samiha, yes we should hold our tongues!!
and JazaakAllah everyone for the help, especially Happy2BAMuslim. That fatwa cleared the confusion, Alhamdulilah.
i was going to ask IslamQA last night, but it wasn't accepting anymore answers, but Alhamdulilah it was already asked, and thank you sis for posting the fatwa!! EXTREMELY helpful, JazaakAllah.
This topic can be closed, the question was answered, Alhamdulilah.
Wa'alaykum Asalaam
and JazaakAllah everyone for the help, especially Happy2BAMuslim. That fatwa cleared the confusion, Alhamdulilah.
i was going to ask IslamQA last night, but it wasn't accepting anymore answers, but Alhamdulilah it was already asked, and thank you sis for posting the fatwa!!
EXTREMELY helpful, JazaakAllah. This topic can be closed, the question was answered, Alhamdulilah.
Wa'alaykum Asalaam
:salam2:
I am posting here as a warning to certain members.
DO NOT PLACE YOUR OWN FATWA !!!
I am VERY serious in this matter. It is complete idiocy for any of us to say whether something like this is Kufr, or if So-and-so is commiting Shirk, or if it means you cannot do this and that. ASTAGFIR'ULLAH!! I cannot stress this point to any greater degree I think. Wallahi, it is one thing to give advice, but in matters of Islam, you nor I have the right to declare something forbidden/Haram.
First of all, we do not have enough knowledge. Second, we do not have the understanding to be able to strictly interpret any knowledge we do have. And Lastly, these are things of the Scholars! We simply have no right.
May Allah forgive me if I have said something wrong.
It is better to remain silent then speak in ignorance I think. Insha'Allah, someone can find out for sure how authentic this Hadith is. Bayhaqi itself is not a bad source for Hadith, however there are Da'eef Hadith in many places, or perhaps the Scholars have a better interpretation on what this could mean persay.
Until then, Stick to the Rules and watch your opinions, giving another person the wrong information is a TTI Crime and will be punished as such.
ssiter i totally agree with u. Should discussion and forums be even allowed? People should ask about deen only people they know r scholars. If someone is affraid for their deen, they will not ask everyone. Otherwise, none muslims can come here or u know who, and answer quesitons to make people go astray. That is why some uleama even forbid forums, because people say things they dont know. I have even contacted this site and wrote to them about this. They said that they can not control everyone and that none of them r 24/7 there to pay attention. But then the forums should not be allowed. Ok maybe to post thinx about deen. But asking on whether something can be done , whethere halal or haram, should not be allowed, subhanALlah.
It makes me really sick when i read thinx that u know people just say what they think. I mean i went to other sites, i mean and it is discussing. People ask fatwas on very crucial thinx like marriage, divorce, and other stuff, and people give their opinion. That is why i dont ask people questions on forums wheter something is halal or haram. For that there r good scholars that we can ask like islamqa.com. I said this many times, but i dont think nothin will change.
May Allah protect us all, ameen
Muharram