Israel's right to be racist

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

The Israeli's need to keep the race game going. They have to divide everyone to remain on top. They are the "Chosen Ones". They can do no wrong. The arrogant keep to themselves. They want all of the good in this world. They look down upon everyone else. The goyem is the donkey.

They fear Muslims. You can break others into sects and groups of privileged and underprivileged. You cannot tear apart Believers. They fear Muslims and always will. We tell them the truth.
 

Just a Guy

Reinventing Myself
Assalaam walaikum,

The Israeli's need to keep the race game going. They have to divide everyone to remain on top. They are the "Chosen Ones". They can do no wrong. The arrogant keep to themselves. They want all of the good in this world. They look down upon everyone else. The goyem is the donkey.

They fear Muslims. You can break others into sects and groups of privileged and underprivileged. You cannot tear apart Believers. They fear Muslims and always will. We tell them the truth.

:salam2:

The lies of the Zionists must be exposed.
 

strive-may-i

Junior Member
:salam2:
Israel has always been racist, ever since they started believing that they were "God's chosen people". So I guess that makes God racist too?

Frankly, it makes those who believe its "Israels right to be racist" - out of touch with humanity. Racism is from those, who are insecure from within. Attributes of a racist, cannot be applied to Almighty, The Equitable (Al-Muqsit)!
 

Just a Guy

Reinventing Myself
Frankly, it makes those who believe its "Israels right to be racist" - out of touch with humanity. Racism is from those, who are insecure from within. Attributes of a racist, cannot be applied to Almighty, The Equitable (Al-Muqsit)!

:salam2:

Oh, I know that. I was just making a point. I've had this debate with my Christian friends, since the whole "Israel is God's chosen people" thing is a big fundamental part of Christian doctrine. I always use that "is God racist" argument and it always stumps them. If God is not racist, then He would not have chosen any one people over another. They never know what to say after that.
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
Racist Israel

Israel is so racist that it does not expel people of other faiths from Israel.
Israel is so racist that it does not destroy sacred shrines of other faiths
israel is so racist that it gives equality to men and women.
Israel is so racist that it has members of parliment who are Arabs who openly support terrorists such as Hamas and Fatah.
Israel is so racist that even those who kill citizens of the country are allowed to live as citizens in Israel.
How does this compare to Muslim/Arab countries who do not even allow Jews/Israelis to enter their countries? As in Saudi Arabia, Dubai
Who have expelled Jews from their countries - as in every Muslim country in 1967
Who destroy sacred shrines of other faiths - as the Taliban did with Buddist shrines and Muslim leaders of past have done with Catholic shrines.
Which Arab/Muslim country allows a Christian/Buddist/Hindi/Jew to be a member of parliment.
So who is racist?
From a South African who has lived under racism.
Palestinians want their own country.
Why do the rich Arab/Muslim countries not pour money into Gaza to develop the economy - shopping malls, rebuild damaged buildings, develop agriculture etc Why spend so much money on armaments when doctors and hospitals are needed. Why be economically dependent on Zionist/Jewish racists?
As Mexicans coming into/ out of America need the necessary documents and visas so with Palestinians in Israel. In south Africa, we have to go through passport control to enter neighbouring countries such as Lesotho, Swaziland, Angola, Swaziland, Botswana, zimbabwe and Mozambique. And yes, often visas to these countries are denied. Especially to Zimbabwe.Palestine is a separate coountry is it not? If so then it must behave as all independant countries have to all over the world. Double standards are not acceptable.

1. In reality, Israel regularly strips Palestinians from the right to live and work in both Palestine and Gaza. 'Democracy' gives people the right to appeal against this and have the right to a lawyer, a fair trial and the right to see documents that show reasons for removing a person from the land where he/she is expelled. In Israel, none of these exist for Palestinians.

2. True, Israel does not destroy shrines of other faiths. Instead it converts them into other public buildings or even temples.

3. Palestinians by law can become lawyers, but by law cannot look at and examine certain 'works of authority' from Israeli statutes. Instead they have to go to Israeli Jewish lawyers who can look for them. Palestinians can become members of the Knesset [Israeli parliament], but by law are not permitted to become members of the cabinet, ambassadors, senior members of the intelligence services, the higher ranks of the army, air force and special military branch.

4. True, Israel has members of parliament who support Jewish 'paramilitaries', vigilantes and those who call for the annihilation of the entire Arab and Palestine races. This further includes influential racist rabbis who regularly deliver sermons describing Palestinians as monkeys, lower life forms and aliens. It also allows Israeli foreign ministers to go on Israeli TV and give interviews where they say Palestinians should not be treated or seen as citizens and human beings.

5. True, it allows many Jews who have killed Palestinians to live in Israel freely. It also honoured Baruch Goldstein's widow to this day over her husband's actions. Israel has not said or done anything to prevent the sainthood of a person who gunned down 48 Palestinians in cold blood while they were praying in congregation in a public place of prayer in Hebron 1993. By the way, the place of the bloodbath was Masjid Ibrahim where the Prophet Abraham is buried, hence it qualifies as a historic monument. It was visibly damaged during the barrage of gunfire fired that day.

6. I have lived and worked in Saudi Arabia as a teacher. Some of my colleagues at the universities across the country (including near Medina) I taught at were Jews and their resumes showed that many were junior rabbis, some had completed their undergraduate degrees in Israel, others had postgraduate certificates from advanced Jewish courses in the US and if I remember correctly one person was a professor who had taught in Israeli universities.

7. First, out of the 160 members of the Israeli Parliament, only twelve are Arab. Second you should also remember that there are no Arabs in the US Senate. The following countries have had Jews in their Parliaments [as well as their armies]- Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon.

If I might add, I find it interesting you mentioned you are South African and have lived under Apartheid. Perhaps you are aware from 1967-1994 Israel supported Apartheid South Africa, supplied arms and nuclear technology via third countries during that time despite an international ban by the US and in 1979 sent teams of scientists and military personnel to be present with government scientists when South Africa successfully tested the A-Bomb in 1979. Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu condemned the Israeli delegation as traitors when they attended the first post apartheid festivities. Declassified South African government records show the very large extent in which successions of Israeli governments went out of their way to trade and befriend a nation known for and championed racism for 27 years.
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
I would further like to ask if Israel is not racist, then why is it a Jewish person anywhere in the world has 'the right to return' by virtue of being Jewish to Israel, but a Palestinian does not according to the law of return. Try as hard as you like, but you won't find such a law anywhere in the Muslim world.
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
"Israel is so racist that it does not expel people of other faiths from Israel."

My response to the above, at least in respect to the early years (1947-48) is as follows-

UN Resolution 194 [December 1948]

"That the [Palestinian] refugees be allowed to return to their homes and live in peace with their neighbours. [They] should be permitted to do so at the earliest practical date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for the loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good."

"An Irish journalist found not a single appeal or order broadcast on radio from Arab leaders [asking Palestinians to leave Israel in 1948]. However, evidence was found that Zionist stations broadcast in Arabic urging Palestinians to leave their homes." (The Spectator, 12th May 1961)

On 20th May 1948 the UN appointed Count Folke Bernadotte as mediator between Palestinians and Israelis. He made the following remarks-

"It would be an offence against the principle of elementary justice if these innocent [Palestinian] victims of the conflict were denied the right to return to their homes while Jewish immigrants flow into Palestine, and indeed at least offer the threat of permanent replacement of Arab refugees who have been rooted in the land for centuries." (16th September 1948)

Bernadotte was assassinated on 17th September 1948 (the following day) by the Stern Gang, a Jewish terrorist organisation. The person in charge of the killing, Nathan Friedman, was elected to the Knesset (Israeli Parliament) in 1950.

David Ben Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel wrote in 'rebirth and Destiny of Israel',

Until the British left, no Jewish settlement however remote was seized by the Arabs, while the Haganah [Jewish terrorists] captured many Arab positions and liberated Tiberias, Haifa, Jaffa and Safad'.

The following places in 1947-8 witnessed organised killings of Palestinians by Jewish terrorists.

Village of Yehiday, Jerusalem and Jaffa (13th December 1947) 3 separate attacks led to 19 Palestinian civilians killed

Village of Khisas (18th December 1947) The Haganah drove through the village and using machine guns killed ten people.

Village of Qazaza (19th December 1947) Jewish terrorists blew up the home of an Arab killing five children.

Al Sheikh Village (1st January 1948) 200 Jewish terrorists armed with hand grenades and machine guns attacked the homes of Palestinians in the middle of the night killing 40 people, mostly women and children.

Village of Naser Al-Din (13th-14th April 1948). Two Jewish terrorist groups Lehi [led by future Israeli PM Menachem Begin] and Irgun entered the village dressed as Arabs and when the Palestinians went to greet them, the two groups opened fire and killed virtually the entire population there. All houses were burnt to the ground.

Village of Beit Daras (21st May 1948) Jewish soldiers from the newly created Israeli Defence Forces [IDF] surrounded the village and seeing women and children trying to leave opened fire until they were all killed.

Dahmash Masjid (11th July 1948) Moshe Dayan, a celebrated Israeli soldier and later a government minister, occupied Lydia and told the Palestinians via loudspeakers that they should proceed to a certain masjid where they would be safe. As they did so, the Israelis opened fire killing 80-100 Palestinian civilians.

The Palestinian populations of Lydda and Ramle were later ordered to march out after they had been stripped of all personal belongings by the IDF.

Future Israeli PM, Yitzhak Rabin, then the Brigade Commander in charge that day, recorded that day-

'There was no way of avoiding the use of force and warning shots in order to make the inhabitants march ten to fifteen miles to the point where they met up with
the legion [Israeli soldiers].'

Most of the 60, 000 inhabitants of Lyda and Ramle came to refugee camps near Ramallah and around 350 lost their lives on the way through dehydration and sunstroke.

Village of Dawayma (29th October 1948). The following is a personal record by an Israeli soldier present at the village that day-. It reads-

"They killed between 80 to 100 Palestinian men, women and children. to kill children they fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one home left without a corpse...

One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a building he was about to blow up....

Another soldier prided himself on having raped a Palestinian woman before shooting her dead."

Other places where similar atrocities occurred included Acre, Beisan, Beersheba, Haifa, Jaffa and Jenin.

After the UN asked Israel to allow Palestinians to return to their homes, the Israeli government passed the 'absentee law' which allowed immigrant Jews to occupy the homes of those Palestinians who had been forced out. The law placed the onus on Palestinians to prove that they were not absent. Note it did not say to prove they had lived there, only that they had not left in the first place.

As mentioned in an earlier post, the 'Law of Return' (1950) gives automatic rights of citizenship to all Jews from anywhere across the globe to Israel, but denies the same right to those Palestinians who had lived there before the war ended. This also includes those Palestinians who could and did prove they were owners of property, land, deed, farms and other places in addition to living there as permanent residents.

Moshe Dayan, who as mentioned before, was present at the time wrote about the events and recorded the following-

"We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is a Jewish, state here....Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages... There is not a single community in the country that did not have a former Arab population." (Original Sins)
 

Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
The following quotations show that times and opinions had not changed for the Israelis by 1967 when the next war between Israel and the Muslim countries broke out.

"We want emigration....we want to encourage emigration according to a selective program." (Moshe Dayan, November 1967)

"There is no other way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, transfer all of them, not one village or tribe should remain." (Joseph Weitz, [architect of the same program Moshe Dayan was referring to], Deputy chairman of the JNF, September 1967)

Up to 350, 000 Palestinians were expelled from the newly occupied areas by Israel and many of those who tried to return were killed after the 1967 war.

Just in case anyone believes Moshe Dayan was referring to 'emigration' in general terms and not of Palestinians, should analyse the excerpt below by Dayan in May 1955-

"[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension.

Toward this end it may, no- it must- invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation- and- revenge....

And above all- let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." (Private diaries of Moshe Sharett, Former Israeli PM)
 
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Abu Juwairiya

Junior Member
I will conclude with a quotation below-

"During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, he [Yitzhak Rabin] directed Israeli operations in Jerusalem and fought against the Egyptian army in the Negev [Egypt].

One episode of the 1948 war that troubled him long afterward was the forced expulsion by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) of fifty thousand Arab civilians from the towns of Lod-Ramle.

He felt very guilty about it.

When Rabin mentioned it in his 1970s memoirs, the [Israeli] censor removed the sensitive passage from his book." (Assassinations and Conspiracies by Rodney Castleden, P 392, 2007)
 
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