My two cents to The Aicha (R.A) ClosedThread

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
:salam2:Grrrr Irritating when someone is writing down an answer and people just close it.You click the button to post it,it tells you thread closed.Could you please check next time to see if somebody is replying,jazakum Allah khair.:)

One gives up of his time to try and contribute.He ends up having to throw it away..lol.This is a short answer to the brother who posted the thread,Sorry had to post it somewhere.Jazakum Allah kahir for the patience.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75532

:salam2:What's the fuss about!Maryam may Allah swt be pleased with her was about twelve when she had Jesus Pbuh and Joseph was 90 years old.That if you are facing a trouble seeking Christian.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37462



If it is a Jew:Some quotes from the Talmud.No comment...

: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And one can be liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating, to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer [of what lies beneath]. If she was married to a priest, she may eat food in the status of priestly rations. If one of those who are unfit for marriage with her had intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If any of those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her had intercourse with her, he is put to death on her account, but she is free of responsibility [M.Nid. 5:4].
Sanhedrin 7/55B [132]

A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."
And if a Levir has had intercourse with her, he has acquired her. And they are liable on her account because of the law prohibiting intercourse with a married woman. And she imparts uncleanness to him who has intercourse with her when she is menstruating to convey uncleanness to the lower as to the upper layer. If she was married to a priest, she eats heave offering. If one of those who are unfit for marriage has intercourse with her, he has rendered her unfit to marry into the priesthood. If one of all those who are forbidden in the Torah to have intercourse with her did so, they are put to death on her account. But she is free of responsibility.
If she is younger than that age, intercourse with her is like putting a finger in the eye.
(Mishnah Niddah 5:4) [134
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A fool is he who judges the morality of his time to be some sort of categorical evolution in thought ,Without taking into consideration the fact that customs have changed and have always been shaped through different ages and cultural backgrounds.

A thousand years ago no nation could drop an atomic bomb that destroys the earth in the most primitive and barbaric manner known to mankind

Women Married young because societies were structured differently as simple as that.

1.lower life expectancy
2.Love wasn't necessarily the primary cause of marriage it was more a matter of building alliances.
3.Marriage was still considered to be the only acceptable way to have children in the broader community.
4.Women were considered to be an additional expense for their parents.As most activities required a certain physical strength.

And so on and so forth....

History and social attitudes

Traditionally the age of consent for a sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man.[2]

The first recorded age-of-consent law dates back 800 years: In 1275, in England, as part of the rape law, a statute, Westminster 1, made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.[3]

In the 12th century Gratian, the influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than seven. There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than seven, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of two and three year olds.[2]

The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only nine when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) made it clear that "the marriage of girls under twelve was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was nine even though her husband be only four years old."[2]

Reliable data for when people used to marry is very difficult to find. In England for example, the only reliable data on age at marriage in the early modern period comes from records which involved only those who left property after their death. Not only were the records relatively rare, but not all bothered to record the participants' ages, and it seemed that the more complete the records are, the more likely they are to reveal young marriages. Additionally, 20th and 21st centuries' historians have sometimes shown reluctance to accept data regarding young ages of marriage, and would instead explain the data away as a misreading by a later copier of the records.[2]

A small group of Italian and German states which introduced an age of consent in the 16th century also set it at 12 years. Towards the end of the 18th century, other European nations also began to enact age of consent laws. The French Napoleonic Code established an age of consent of 11 years in 1791, which was raised to 13 years in 1863. Nations such as Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons, initially set the age of consent at 10–12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century.[3]

In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at ten or twelve, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only seven. Women reformers and advocates of social purity initiated a campaign in 1885 to petition legislators to raise the legal age of consent to at least sixteen, with ultimate goal to raise the age to eighteen; the campaign was successful: by 1920, almost all states had raised the age of consent to sixteen or eighteen.[4][5]

Social (and the resulting legal) attitudes toward the appropriate age of consent have drifted upwards in modern times. For example, while ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable in western countries during the mid-19th century,[1] the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century were marked by changing attitudes towards sexuality, childhood and adolescence, resulting in raising the ages of consent.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent


After all that, even if there was no history or whatsoever.None of us is in position to judge Allah swt will.And there is plenty of evidence proving that this is Allah's swt deen.
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Aisha did not have children, sister Hayat. Fatima was Kadijah's daughter and Hussien and Hassan were Fatima's sons.
 

alf2

Islam is a way of life
The problem I've encountered was not with Christians or Jews, but like Atheists. They cannot get it to terms that for it was so long ago and one exception! They make it seem like he was a serial pedophile or something.

They also think that Muslims are okay with marrying our daughters off at 9 because of what happens tribally in 3rd world countries. And we cannot turn a blind eye to that happening, because it only makes us look awful.

The problem I have seen is not Aisha's age, but what the Kaffirs want to believe.
I honestly dont see a need to rationalize her age. He was a Prophet and he only made the exception for her.
 

Perseveranze

Junior Member
The problem I've encountered was not with Christians or Jews, but like Atheists. They cannot get it to terms that for it was so long ago and one exception! They make it seem like he was a serial pedophile or something.

They also think that Muslims are okay with marrying our daughters off at 9 because of what happens tribally in 3rd world countries. And we cannot turn a blind eye to that happening, because it only makes us look awful.

The problem I have seen is not Aisha's age, but what the Kaffirs want to believe.
I honestly dont see a need to rationalize her age. He was a Prophet and he only made the exception for her.

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I honestly think it's more hate driven then logic/understanding. I do not believe under Sharia law that a 9 year old girl today could get married, there's a big difference between today's age and the age back then.

Fact of the matter is, just recently (100 years ago) america and other western countries let girls at the age of 10 get married.

It's just hypocrisy and hate.

My link explains everything in alot of detail.
 
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