Possibly the worst day of my life

must91

Junior Member
healing with time

As salaam alaikum

may Allah (SWT) grant you and your family the best return for this misery. Islam teaches all of us to be patient, it also tells us that Allah (SWT) will test us inorder to elavate our status in the hereafter.
My advice is please dont start hating Allah (SWT), Islam or Muslims and please dont start taking sides with either of your parents.
What you are going through now, I went through this some 8 years ago. The biggest mistake I made was when I sided with my mother and left my father alone. They are both very religious and I also try follow Islam (improving everyday), however that one mistake makes me curse myself everytime i remember it.

Be patient and know one thing that with time things will become a lot clearer and easier to understand.

I would like you to recite this dua everytime you remember your troubles.

Our Nabi Muhammad (SWS) taught this to his companians.

1) Allahu Rabbi Laa ushriku bihi ahadan (3x)

also

2) Inna lillahi wa inna ilahi rajioon (1x)
& then
Allah-humma ajurni fi musibati wakh lufni khairam minha (1x)

Insha-Allah your troubles will subside and good results will start to come.

and please do not leave your 5 times daily prayers when you're in a state to pray.

was salaam
 

abou haytam

Junior Member
And she won't return unless she knows its completely halal for her to.

salam o alikom

Macha allah, I apreciate your mother's position. Allah come first whatever it will cost for her. incha allah thing will be easy for your familly.

salam o alikom
 

Munawar

Striving for Paradise
IMPORTANT

:salam2:
I have read that according to several authorities or fiqhs of Islam, if a man says/gives/issues three talaqs in one session it is still considered as one talaq. Which means that husband and wife can still get togather as husband and wife. So don't give it up yet, and do research yourself too.

I will pray for you and your family sister.
:wasalam:
 

AliIbanez

A Stranger in Dunyah
I'm not sure about this but is it really true that a wife can be divorced by her husband by just saying this three times to her and in the state of anger (please explain), or there are technical issues has to be made first (such as consultation, etc).

Asslamualaikum
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
JazakAllah Khayr everyone, your posts are really motivating and I just continue to ask you to keep us in your prayers. Must91, thank you for the ayahs. I wrote them down in Arabic and I already know about the second one. About hating Allah, Islam, or Muslims, I understand that it would be very easy to do so in this situation but it's not something I would ever allow myself to do. I'm not saying that I'm perfect and that I won't feel the compulsion to feel that way, but what I am saying is that despite all the pain and anger in the world, I can't take away the fact that Allah puts people through trials because this is His test for them in this world. And if I find myself feeling anger or anything else negative towards Him, I would forbid whatever was in my heart from reaching my tongue because a person is forgiven for their thoughts but not their actions or words. Therefore, it would be my personal jihad to make sure I didn't say anything against Allah because I know this is just another trial and I don't want to be like those who forsake Him when going through one of their trials. It would be far too easy to give up on the Islamic morals I've believed in for so long or the same Allah that has given me everything.

At this point, things are getting so complicated I don't even know how they're going to calm down again. Every other second, I feel like bursting into tears. My father is now seeing the results of his actions and keeps asking me every other second to call my mother and tell her to come back (the house is also in a complete state of disarray as I helped to point out). We spoke to three alims yesterday, all of whom which refuse to give us a clear cut answer. One alim said that if my father had issued the talaqs in the present tense then divorce is valild. However, he also mentioned a Hadith from the link posted by Brother Muhammad.abdullah about how if said in a state of anger, the talaqs aren't valid. But then they wanted to analyze the state of anger my father was in and see if it was valid enough to be the type of anger that completely overtakes a person. They asked him to do a halaf as well (swearing on the Quran) which he flat out refused to do because he has always been weary of this and thinks its dangerous as you're swearing on the Book of Allah. So basically, now the alim wants both of my parents to come see him tomorrow and my mother has requested that we, her children, be there as well. InshAllah, I hope all turns out well but my only fear is that he might still say it's a divorce regardless of there being anger in my father's decision.
 

dianek

Junior Member
I am very sorry for your situation. I cannot understand this part of Islam. How does it protect a woman from being turned out like this? Does the father not have to provide her with a home and finances as I am sure she didn't work and has not "marketable skills". Something along the lines of Alimony. It is sad to think that after 20 + years of marriage a man can just decree 3 times divorce and it's over and the woman who has lived for her children and him has to walk out of the only life she has ever known. WHERE IS HER PROTECTION? And furthermore, with her being a religious woman, why was he turning her out like that? Forgive me. Again I am sorry for your situation but I can't help but think your father's behavior is irreprehensible.
 

wannabe_muttaqi

A MUSLIM BROTHER
ASAK sister Shanazz,
I'm sorry for your difficult situation now. Alhamdulillah i must say that you have and are coping with this situation in a very positive manner. Inshallah Allah swt will give the best result.

As far as your family meeting the alims, i would advice sister do some research with your extended family as well. I think your uncles might be of help. Inshallah you will be united again as a whole family.

May Allah swt grant you and your family patience at this time of hardship. Ameen. You and your family will be in our duas.

JAK
 
I am very sorry for your situation. I cannot understand this part of Islam. How does it protect a woman from being turned out like this? Does the father not have to provide her with a home and finances as I am sure she didn't work and has not "marketable skills". Something along the lines of Alimony. It is sad to think that after 20 + years of marriage a man can just decree 3 times divorce and it's over and the woman who has lived for her children and him has to walk out of the only life she has ever known. WHERE IS HER PROTECTION? And furthermore, with her being a religious woman, why was he turning her out like that? Forgive me. Again I am sorry for your situation but I can't help but think your father's behavior is irreprehensible.

Salaam sister,

I hope this helps inshallah.....

Women's Rights in the Islamic Prenuptial Agreement: Use Them or Lose Them
by Canadian Muslimah, Rabia Mills


And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect. [Qur'an 30:21 Yusuf Ali translation]

A great deal of heartache can be avoided by a woman in her marriage if she, as the bride-to-be, agrees to and signs a carefully considered Prenuptial Agreement (also known as a Marriage Contract or Domestic Contract) that guards her rights before entering into wedlock. This is the crucial first step which will guarantee her rights throughout her marriage, because if problems should arise later on in the marriage, ignorance of the law will not be allowed as an excuse for the woman's failure to secure her rights. The Prenuptial Agreement can also guarantee a woman many of her Islamic rights, which can be enforceable by law(1) even if she lives in a western country. Arguably women's Islamic rights are more fair and equitable than the secular woman's rights in the west, so it makes sense to know just what her Islamic rights are and how they can be relinquished should she neglect to claim them before marriage.(2) A great deal of misinformation abounds concerning the Prenuptial Agreement and women's Islamic rights. Insha'Allah, this article will set the record straight, as much as possible, about what her Islamic rights are, and how to protect them with a carefully considered Prenuptial Agreement.

For the most part, we will address the western Muslim woman who is not only required to obey the Shar'iah, but who must also comply with the secular laws of her own country. However, we will touch briefly upon a few major issues which affect women living in Eastern countries where polygyny (3) and other such Muslim laws are extant. Because of the diversity of laws from country to country, we can only discuss the Muslim woman's rights in a general as opposed to specific fashion.

To be enforceable by law, a Prenuptial Agreement must also comply with the laws of the country (as distinct from the Islamic Law of the Shar'iah) in which it is drawn up and signed. This will guarantee that the agreement will be legally binding on both the husband and the wife, and should problems should later arise, the spouse will have protection under the law of his or her own country. It is therefore advisable for the couple to have at least a rudimentary understanding of the laws of their own respective countries in which they live.

Ideally it would be more advantageous for the couple to consult both a legal specialist in their own particular country and also a specialist in Islamic Law to help draw up their contract. We would suggest that the Prenuptial Agreement or Marriage Contract be drawn up by a religious leader in your community (i.e. the Imam of your local mosque might be able to help) and then checked over by each of the bride and groom's respective lawyers. Muslim lawyers -- if available - would be preferable.

The Prenuptial Agreement - points to consider in your marriage contract

It is impossible in an article of this nature to cover all of the possible inclusions which could conceivably go into the Prenuptial Agreement, so we will focus mainly on those points which have a bearing on protecting a Muslim woman's Islamic rights.

(a) Polygyny

If a woman does not feel that she could allow her husband to marry more than one woman at the same time, then Islam allows her the right to refuse him permission to do this at the outset of their marriage, however, she must indicate this preference in the Prenuptial Agreement or she will forfeit this right under the Islamic Law. If she is uncertain as to whether or not she will be opposed to her husband marrying a second wife later on, then she could include that in the agreement and thus make it binding upon her husband that he must consult her at that time and that he must then abide by her wishes. To say nothing, however, could possibly invite more pain than gain as far as her desires are concerned.

In the West, polygamy (4) is illegal. Even so, the woman may still request that her husband not marry a second wife, and put this in the contract. This sort of request would be considered spurious in the Prenuptial Contract because men in the west are already forbidden polygyny. Nonetheless it might still prove to be a useful addition to the contract at this time because later on the couple might possibly move to a country where polygyny is legal.

Although polygyny is illegal in Canada, if a person marries more than one wife anyway, then the second wife is cut off from access to her legal rights as a wife completely (i.e. inheritance, mahr, alimony, child custody, recognition as being a wife, etc.) because the second marriage is not legally recognized whatsoever by Canadian law authorities. Therefore she will not be treated equally under Canadian law to the first wife, who could easily go to a recognized legal authority to enforce her marital rights. The second wife will have no legal recourse whatsoever from Canadian law. So this is a strong argument against Muslims marrying a second wife in a country like Canada which will neither recognize nor enforce her Islamic legal rights when it comes to polygyny. Interestingly enough, it appears that the Canadian government is not entirely opposed to polygyny when it comes to immigrants. If the husband and his wives have already been married off of Canadian soil and should they immigrate to Canada, then the extra wives will be accorded equal protection under Canadian law as the first wife.

In any case, it would be a good idea to include a clause agreeing that the marriage will not be polygynous, if this is BOTH their preferences, for clarification between the two spouses and the Muslim community. It has already been mentioned that there is always the possibility that the couple could someday live in some other country that does recognize polygyny. So the couple may want to be clear on this point.

(b) Mahr

This is the dower, or gift from the groom to the bride, of either a fixed financial amount or even a property amount and it is usually given immediately at the time of the marriage. However, either some of it or all of it may be deferred until a later time where it would become payable to the wife either upon the death or divorce of her husband. This is her Islamic right. Therefore the details of its payment should be set out very clearly in the Prenuptial Agreement for this right to be accorded to the western Muslim woman. (i.e. that a certain portion of the dower will be paid at once or within a stated period, and the remainder upon the dissolution of the contract by either death or divorce.) For example, the bride could settle an appropriate amount of dower to cover the demands of life after either a divorce or the husband's death, or she could arrange for an annuity, or a fixed monthly amount payable to her upon the occurrence of either of those two events, so long as the Canadian rule against perpetuities is not contravened. There doesn't appear to be anything in Islamic law that prohibits a wife from looking after her own interests in this way in Canada.

In the U.S.A., however, Prenuptial agreements which "facilitate divorce or separation by providing for a settlement only in the event of such an occurrence are void as against public policy." This appears to mean that according U.S. law, a woman cannot claim her dower in the event of divorce, even though she had agreed to this in her Prenuptial Agreement. So ladies, be forewarned about this issue if you happen to live in the U.S.A.

(c) Divorce

In Islam, divorce is permitted when serious differences arise which cannot be resolved through reconciliation. However, it has to be the last resort, for the Prophet p.b.u.h. has described divorce as the most detestable of all lawful things in the sight of God. Now divorce is probably the last thing in the world that a couple would want to consider when negotiating their Prenuptial Agreement, but since Islamic divorce law is far more reasonable and equitable than Western divorce law, it would be wise to commit to the Shar'iah in your Prenuptial Agreement and in the early stages of marriage. Furthermore, this is the time when a woman may claim many of her Islamic rights.

There is a misguided notion both among western nations and even among Muslims themselves that under Muslim law a woman will get nothing from her husband towards her maintenance and living expenses beyond her probationary period of Iddat. This is a very simplistic notion and is clearly misleading.

In Islam the husband may unilaterally divorce his wife at any time, without specifying any reason, and a woman may do the same as long as she acquires this right when contracting her marriage. She can do this by negotiating and demanding that the prospective husband delegate to herself (or her nominated agent) the right to divorce herself at any time without assigning any reason.(5) It should be borne in mind that the procedure relating to the pronouncement of divorce can vary depending upon which school of law is followed by the husband and wife.(6) The prospective wife can also have the husband's right to divorce her curtailed in many other ways - all by demanding and having the required legal conditions included in the marriage contract - and these conditions would be just as enforceable in a court of law as any conditions of a civil contract.

In fact, the modus operandi, even in a so-called bilateral marital breakdown situation (i.e., where both the husband and the wife mutually agree to divorce) is always for one of the two spouses to take the initiative to call the marriage off. So, in reality, marriage breakdown situations almost always entail unilateral decisions and motivations. Therefore, given that there is often an unavoidable, unilateral dimension in initiating divorce proceedings, one could argue that to let either of the two spouses have the unilateral right to divorce the other will save both of them from endless argumentation and bickering that could ultimately lead them to very expensive and emotionally charged court litigation.

Currently, if you live in Canada, the couple must first legally separate for a period of one year before divorce will be granted. It is a very complicated process and each spouse is advised to retain his or her own lawyer. At the moment, a Canadian Muslim couple cannot obtain a divorce in Canada according to Muslim Law. However, there are things which can be done to minimize the trauma and legal expense as long as BOTH the husband and wife are willing to compromise. Moreover, it would be very useful if they both had agreed to and signed a Prenuptial Agreement which had set out various prearranged issues such as child custody, maintenance, etc. and so if both the husband and the wife were willing to abide by this agreement, then the divorce could actually proceed quite smoothly.

(d) Financial Independence

According to Muslim Family Law, the responsibility for the wife's maintenance (nafqa) always remains with the husband. The wife has no corresponding obligation to support her husband. The Muslim law principle which has been jealously guarded and enforced by Muslim law courts is that a woman's property is hers alone. Period. Consequently, any property which a Muslim wife contributes towards the 'family's assets' (i.e. all the property accumulated during the marriage) remains hers alone and is not subject to division or sharing by the husband in the event of a marriage breakdown (unless otherwise agreed upon between the husband and wife). In other words, under the Muslim Law, her 'Net Family Property,' remains hers alone and with no corresponding obligation to share with her husband (unless both husband and wife have agreed to share). This is not the case in Ontario law. So to ensure that a woman's Islamic rights are protected in Canada, particularly with respect to the matrimonial home provision of the Ontario Law, it is suggested that both the husband and wife consult a specialist (i.e. lawyer who specializes in Ontario Family Law if they happen to live in Ontario) so as to explore with this lawyer the legal possibilities of accommodating the couple's wishes, as much as possible, by finding ways and means to legally circumvent the (Ontario) law with regards to the obligatory special equal sharing of the matrimonial home provision.(7)

It appears that in the U.S.A., the Prenuptial Agreement can successfully redefine each spouse's property as either separate property or community property, so the wife can specify her financial independence and ownership of property at this time. [For more details click here ]

(e) Education and Employment

Muslim women may restate their God-given Islamic rights to education and independence to work (employment, business, professions, etc.) in the Prenuptial agreement at this time which could be used beneficially both in Muslim as well as non-Muslim countries. Women in the west have already been accorded these rights by law, although in practise the husband may or may not approve of a wife either working or getting a higher education. So it would be prudent for both the husband and the wife, either in the West or the East, to be clear on this issue so as to prevent discord and unhappiness in the marriage.

The Prenuptial Agreement may also provide for religious education and upbringing of the children in accordance with Islamic Law and traditions.

Conclusion

The Prenuptial Agreement can be likened to an 'insurance policy' for both Western and Eastern Muslim couples; and for the Muslim woman who wishes to adhere to the principles of Islam, she would be well advised to carefully consider her options. The couple may not necessarily consider themselves to be very religious in practice at the present time, but this could change many years down the road because one simply cannot know one's future. So it would be a good idea to cover all your bases as it were when considering your Prenuptial Agreement.

Whether you are a woman living in an Eastern Muslim country, or a woman living in a Western secular country, a carefully considered Prenuptial Agreement will prove to be an important asset to your marriage because (and most couples don't know this) the standard Marital Contracts that Mosques use, often do not claim those rights for women that are hers and these could be lost if not agreed upon in her Prenuptial Agreement. Particularly for women who live in Eastern Muslim countries, you cannot assume that because your country is governed for the most part by Muslim Law that your Islamic rights will be specified in this standard contract or that your rights will be protected if need be by your country's law. This may not be the case.

The reason why the importance and the practical need for a Prenuptial Contract seems to be ignored by such a large segment of the Muslim population is simply beyond comprehension. This lack of appreciation for the need for a Prenuptial Agreement seems to become even more appalling if one, as a Muslim, would recognize the fact that the Muslim marriage (Nikah/aqd) is itself a civil contract. It contains the basic ingredients of a regular everyday civil contract! The whole matrimonial relationship is based upon mutual agreement and consent of both the husband and the wife. From this point of view then, whoever said "a marriage contract is like is like a blank cheque on a joint account containing almost unlimited funds" really knew what he was talking about. Just as either the husband or the wife may decide to increase or decrease the funds held in their joint account, so too can they add any number of mutual rights and obligations into their Marriage/Prenuptial Contract. Nothing is carved in stone - everything can be changed, altered and amended. All that is required is a certain amount of good will and a sincere desire to live happily ever after.

Among His signs is [the fact] that He has created spouses for you from among yourselves so that you may console yourselves with them. He has planted affection and mercy between you; in that are signs for people who think things over. [Qur'an 30:21 T.B. Irving Translation]

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1. As long as they do not contravene the laws of the country in which the contract was drawn up.

2. Even in a secular western sense, the Prenuptial Agreement is considered a useful tool because it imposes clear obligations and duties on the spouse, and this in turn can lead to less conflict and friction and can also cultivate peace and harmony within the marriage.

3. Polygyny = polygamy in which a man has more than one wife at the same time.

4. Polygamy = having more than one wife or husband at the same time.

5. In other words, a wife may acquire from her husband the authorization to divorce herself from him at any time without assigning any reason. This is called delegation of authority/authorization by the husband to the wife, leaving it as her option to do what she likes, known as mashiat.

6. For example and without going into great detail, Imam Abu Hanifah is of the opinion that a divorce cannot be declared without a good reason. This means that as long as the marriage has no problems of compatibility, etc. divorce cannot be given. Imam Abu Hanifah is also of the opinion that the thrice repeated pronouncements of divorce cannot be made all at once. This means that there must be a gap of one menstrual period between each pronouncement of divorce despite his acknowledgement that even under these circumstances, the divorce will still be technically enforceable. This opinion of Imam Abu Hanifah is a minority opinion and as such does not enjoy the status of a generally accepted legal opinion (fatwa). If the husband and wife prefer to follow Abu Hanifah's minority opinion, then they are free to insert a clause to this effect in the Prenuptial Agreement.

7. This matrimonial home provision in Ontario seems to be so high handed in imposing its regime that one could probably successfully challenge its constitutionality on the grounds that it is against the Right to Freedom of Religion which is guaranteed by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/prenuptial.htm
 

Munawar

Striving for Paradise
Important !

:salam2: Sister Shahnaz,
I am cutting and pasting the following pieces. It looks like there may be a light at the end of the tunnel. You and specially your father needs to read and understand these things. May Allah help you and your family in this time of difficulty. Ameen.

Sa'i bin al-Musayyab and some other immediate followers of the Companions say that the divorce of the person who pronounces it during menstruation, or pronounces it thrice at one time, does not take place at aII. The same is the opinion of the Imamiah sect of the Shi`as. The basis of this opinion is that since this form of divorce is forbidden and utttrly irregular, it is ineffective.


Ta'us and 'Ikrimah say that only one divorce takes place if divorce is pronounced thrice at once, and this very view has been adopted by Imam Ibn Taimiyyah. The source of his this opinion is that Abu as-Sahba' asked Ibn 'Abbas: 'Don't you know that in the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (upon whom be Allah's peace) and Hadrat Abu Bakr and in the early period of Hadrat 'Umar a triple divorce was considered a single divorce? He replied: Yes." (Bukhari, Muslim). .And in Muslim, Abu Da'ud and Musnad Ahmad, Ibn Abbas's this statement has been cited: "In the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) and Hadrat Abu Bakr and during the first two years of the caliphate of Hadrat `Umar a triple divorce was considered a single divorce. Then Hadrat `Umar expressed the view: As the people have started acting hasty in a matter in which they had been advised to act judiciously and prudently, why should we not enforce this practice? So, he enforced It. "


In the story concerning Rukanah bin `Abd-i Yazib, a tradition has been related by Abu Da'ud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, Imam Shafe`i, Darimi and Hakim, saying that when Rukanah pronounced three divorces on his wife in one and the same sitting, the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) asked him to state on oath whether his intention was to pronounce one divorce only, (That is, the two subsequent divorces were pronounced only to lay emphasis on the first divorce; the triple divorce was not intended to create separation permanently). And when he stated this on oath, the Holy Prophet gave him the right to take his wife back. `This brings out the truth of the matter as to what kind of divorces were considered a single divorce in the earliest period of Islam. On this very basis, the interpreters of the Hadith have explained the tradition of Ibn 'Abbas thus: As in the early period of Islam deceit and fraud in religious matters was almost unknown among the people, the statement of the pronouncer of a triple divorce was admitted that his real intention wa: to pronounce only a single divorce, ard the two subsequent divorce: had been pronounced only for the sake of emphasis. But when Hadrat `Umar saw that the people first pronounced three divorces in haste and then presented the excuse of pronrnmcing them only for the sake of emphasis, he refused to accept this excuse. Imam Nawawi and Imam Subki regard this as the beat interpretation of the tradition from Ibn `Abbas, Finally, there is disagreement in the traditions of Abu aa-Sahba' himself, which he has related concerning the saying of Ibn `Abbas. Muslim, Abu Da'ud and Nasa'i have related from this same Abu as-Sahba' another tradition; saying that on an enquiry by him. Ibn `Abbas said: ` When a person pronounced a threefold divorce on his wife before consummation of marriage, it was considered a single divorce in the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) and Hadrat Abu Bakr and in the early period of Hadrat 'Umar".

:wasalam:
 

gazkour

Junior Member
Assalamo Alikom wa rahmato Allah wa barakato

This is just my opinion.

If there's no a definite decision or fatwa regarding this very important matter and there are "contradictory" opinions, I think we must focus on what Islam is about.
Personally I don't think Allah would want any marriage to end just like that.
I don't think either that after saying the 3 divorces in anger and then regreting it, would be "not allowed" to stay married and you have to divorce anyway. That doesn't make any sense to me.
I think Islam has given us limits, rules, guidance in all situations Alhamdulillah for that; but Islam is never "nonsense" and the main point of it is about being patient and forgiving and we have to remember that even if divorce is allowed in Islam, it not encouraged at all.
We are talking here about a family, a couple that's been together for many years, what about the wife at this point? The husband was angry and now he regrets it!
May Allah guide us all.
 

must91

Junior Member
:salam2:

Shahnaaz, you are displaying a lot of matuarity and handling the situation well.

maintain that composure. I never thought low of you but was afraid that shaitaan is more powerful and is always lurking in for a opportunity. It has in the past led many ulama and walis astray.

regarding the talaq mas'ala, there are so many members in this forum giving their opinion substantiating with quotes from hadith and the actions of sahaba (ra) after Nabi Muhammad (SWS), which are very informative but as suggested by a few in this panel its always best to consult a good, moderate and practicing alim in your area. If there are some calibre muftis in your locality or state it would be good consulting them for their fatwas. It is always safe to pay heed to moderate edicts.

There is another dua which you can recite anytime of the day and night and this is for all the muslims. Our Nabi Muhammad (SWS) taught this to his grandson - Hassan (ra) of whom the Prophet (SWS) said that this son of mine is a chief and possess great qualities. Hassan (ra) at that time was approximately eight years old.

"Allah-humma al himni rushdi wa a'idni min sharri nafsi"

This dua is to help you make good desicions. Constant amal on this dual will help anyone by making his/her level of understanding things and situation better and therefore coming out with good judgment/ decision, whether it be dini or worldly, in personal matters or public, business dealings or switching jobs, marriage or divorce, etc.

if you have elders in your extended family, at this time their help will be most valuable, provided they are genuine.

:wasalam:
 
This is just my opinion.

If there's no a definite decision or fatwa regarding this very important matter and there are "contradictory" opinions, I think we must focus on what Islam is about.
Personally I don't think Allah would want any marriage to end just like that.
I don't think either that after saying the 3 divorces in anger and then regreting it, would be "not allowed" to stay married and you have to divorce anyway. That doesn't make any sense to me.

I think Islam has given us limits, rules, guidance in all situations Alhamdulillah for that; but Islam is never "nonsense" and the main point of it is about being patient and forgiving and we have to remember that even if divorce is allowed in Islam, it not encouraged at all.
We are talking here about a family, a couple that's been together for many years, what about the wife at this point? The husband was angry and now he regrets it!
May Allah guide us all.

Salaam,

I agree with you on that. Alhamdulillah brother Munawar's post should clarify things. I agree that saying divorce 3x repeatedly only counts as one time. It logically makes sense to have time elapse after each one. A person can say it out of anger and not mean it or whatever other state they are in. Who knows. Allah swt does not create a burden on us. Allah swt is Most Forgiving and Most Merciful.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
:salam2: I hope everyone's well.

Alhamdulillah, the alim informed us that it wasn't a valid talaq as there was anger influencing my father's judgment when he said it. However, he said that according to the Hanafi madhab (which we follow) it DOES count as a talaq. Yet according to the Shafii madhab, the talaqs have to be said 3 times over a period of 3 months and don't count if said in anger. In addition, to this he read to us a Hadith narrated by Hadrat Aisha R.A. in which she states that a talaq issued in anger is not a valid talaq. So although there are many opinions, according to the alim, a serious matter like this allows room for ikhtilaf and the benefit of the doubt is taken. Hence, he declared it wasn't a valid talaq.

The alim is actually the president of ICNA and my mother has asked his opinion on many matters on previous occasions. MashAllah, he was as perfect as any arbitrator should be and did not make any decision on his own accord as he had the Quran and Hadith with him. He had both my parents take turns telling him their problems and then he spoke to me and my siblings asking us what we thought about the whole situation and our thoughts on the matter.

One thing that I will stress to all of you is the fact that in order to maintain a marriage and make it a success, COMMUNICATION is ESSENTIAL. Don't ever think that your husband or wife should automatically know how you're feeling or knows you well enough to know your habits. ALWAYS be vocal about what's in your heart regarding any situation because if you do otherwise and remain silent, the tension will build up inside you until you reach an unfortunate point that could have very well been avoided had you spoken up. Please always try to remember this. Without communication, you have no marriage.

Although we're now out of any immediate danger, the problems still remain with my parents and they basically stem from family feuds. Neither of their families like one another and instigation and hypocrisy on their parts are what brought us to this mess. Hence the alim now wants to meet with both sides with us there at the same time so we can sort through this mess and hopefully reach an understanding.

Thank you all so much for your helpful posts and your duas. Alhamdulillah I believe Allah gave my family and I an act of His Mercy because He knew best that we couldn't handle living in a broken family. He chose to deliver us from a situation that is unfortunately very common in this world and although many muslims do deal with it, I thank Him for saving us from that ordeal. I truly commend the Muslims who go through the divorce of their parents and still manage to stay strong as from this experience, I imagine it is no easy feat to overcome. Once again, I thank you all for your kind words and your prayers and know that you all comforted me in my time of need during what I think was one of the worst times of my life. You have no idea what it means to me to be part of such a beautiful Ummah as I'm sure only a Muslim can experience this type of belonging that you have all made me feel.:hearts:

:wasalam:
 

dianek

Junior Member
Alhumdillallah! I am so happy that your family is getting a second chance to make it work! That is wonderful news. If not to personal though, may I ask, do your parents have any affection for each other? Also.....you said that in so many words that this support you could only get from the muslim ummah.... That is not true...as a former christian I can tell you that I felt very loved by the congregation at my church. I knew they were there for me. People are people no matter race or religion and compassion is a common language. You will find love and compassion transcends when there is an opportunity for it. Just look at that story about little Yousef from Iraq.....a trans-continent/religious effort of love has brought him here for medical treatment and a chance to start over.
 
Alhumdillallah! I am so happy that your family is getting a second chance to make it work! That is wonderful news. If not to personal though, may I ask, do your parents have any affection for each other? Also.....you said that in so many words that this support you could only get from the muslim ummah.... That is not true...as a former christian I can tell you that I felt very loved by the congregation at my church. I knew they were there for me. People are people no matter race or religion and compassion is a common language. You will find love and compassion transcends when there is an opportunity for it. Just look at that story about little Yousef from Iraq.....a trans-continent/religious effort of love has brought him here for medical treatment and a chance to start over.


Salaamalikum sister,

Please be careful with what you are saying. You are giving a Fatwa.

Generally, Non-Muslims only know what they have been taught, but what they have been taught is not from the Lord. There is a difference when a Muslim gives advice versus what a non-Muslim gives. Would you listen to the advices of a non-Muslim or a Muslim about how to raise a child?

Generally, the People of the Book have rejected faith, at their own will, even when Allah swt gave them signs.

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by the way of precaution that ye may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (to remember) Himself for the final goal is to Allah" (3:28)

"O ye who believe! take not into intimacy those outside your ranks; they will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths,; what their heart conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs if ye have wisdom" (3:118)

Allah swt says:

"The parable of those who reject faith is as if one were to shout like a goat-herd to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries; deaf dumb and blind they are void of wisdom" (2:171)

"The parable of those who take protectors other than Allah is that of the Spider who builds (to itself) a house; but truly the flimsiest of houses is the Spider's house if they but knew" (29:41)

As Muslims, it is generally better to follow and listen to one anothers advices, rather than non-Muslims. For example, when you want advice about your teeth you go to a dentist, when you need advice about the brain you go to a neuro surgeon. When you need advice about Islam you go to Muslims!

And Please don't let the CNN story of Yousef from Iraq fool you. As kind and compassionate some People of the Book are, the media uses this for their own political interests! They use his story to make the people feel that their position of the war is correct and justified in that they really "care" for the people of Iraq.
 

dianek

Junior Member
I don't see where I was giving a Fatwa......I was a christian and now a muslim and don't see that it is that you have to limit your community to just muslims or just christians. IN MY OPINION.....if all faiths were to "cross lines" and show compassion we wouldn't have the problems we have today. And by saying that muslims should only associate with non-muslims limits the possibilites of spreading Da'wah the non-muslims. If you aren't friendly and compassionate, they will care less what you have to say...am I right? I did not mean to give "fatwa"....not sure what that means but sorry if I offended. I don't think friendship should have conditions or boundaries based on faith etc.
 
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