PROHIBITION OF NATIONALISM

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    Nationalism is a concept alien to Islam because it calls for unity based on family and tribalistic ties, whereas Islam binds people together on the `Aqeedah, that is belief in Allah (swt) and His Messenger (saaw). Islam calls for the ideological bond.

    Grouping the Muslims on tribalistic lines is clearly forbidden. It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

    "He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah."

    And in another Hadith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism said:

    "Leave it, it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari] and in the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

    "He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father's genitals"

    Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, narrated by At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud,

    "There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories. Man is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust."

    Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

    "Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung)." [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]

    There are many examples in the Seerah where the Messenger of Allah (saaw) had rebuked those who upheld nationalism. One one occasion a party of Jews conspired to bring about disunity in the ranks of the Muslims after seeing the Aus and Khazraj within Islam. A youth from amongst them was sent to incite remembrance of the battle of Bu'ath where the Aus had been victorious over the Khazraj, and he recited poetry to bring about division between them. As a result there was a call to arms.

    When the news reached the Messenger of Allah (saaw), he (saaw) said,

    "O Muslims, remember Allah, remember Allah. Will you act as pagans while I am present with you after Allah has guided you to Islam, and honored you thereby and made a clean break with paganism; delivered you thereby from disbelief; and made you friends thereby?"

    When they heard this they wept, and embraced each other. This incident clearly highlights how the messenger of Allah (saaw) rebuked any forms of tribalism. Allah (swt) then revealed,

    "O you who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared and die not except in a state of Islam with complete submission to Allah. And hold fast, all of you together, to the rope of Allah (i.e. Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favors on you; for you were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace you became brothers; and you were on the brink of the pit of fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allah make His signs clear to you that you may be guided." [Surah Al'Imran (3); ayah 102-103]

    It is narrated by Qatada that Ibnu Abi Hathim said that in the verses quoted above Allah (swt) has ordered the Muslims to hold fast to the book of Allah, His Deen, and to his covenant, and He has forbidden the Muslims to divide amongst themselves and to dispute with each other.

    In another incident, Jabir ibn `Abd Allah al Ansari, narrated what happened at the watering place of al Muraysi which led to the Munafiqun stirring up the traces of `Asabiyyah and seeking to destroy the unity of the Muslims. He said: "We were on a raid when one of the Muhajirun kicked one of the Ansar. The Ansar said, `O Ansar! Help me! (calling his tribe) and the Muhajir said, `O Muhajirun! Help me! (calling his tribe). The Messenger of Allah (saaw) heard them and said,

    "Why are you stirring up something which belongs to Jahilliyah?"

    The Messenger of Allah (saaw) did not deal with the situation only by speaking to his men, but he walked with the men all that day until nightfall, and through the night until morning and during the following day until the sun distressed them. Then he halted them, and as soon as they touched the ground, they fell asleep. He did this to distract their minds from what had transpired.

    It is transmitted by at-Tabarani and al-Hakim that in one incident some people spoke very lowly about Salman al-Farsi. They spoke of the inferiority of the Persian in relation to the Arabs, and upon hearing this the Messenger of Allah (saaw) declared,

    "Salman is from us, the ahl al-bayt (the Prophet's family)."

    This statement of the Messenger of Allah (saaw) disassociates all links based on lineage and tribal considerations.

    It was also transmitted, in two different versions, by Ibn al-Mubarak in his two books, Al-Birr and As-Salah, that some disagreement occurred between Abu Dharr and Bilal and Abu Dharr said to Bilal, "You son of a black woman." The Messenger of Allah (saaw) was extremely upset by Abu Dharr's comment, so he (saaw) rebuked him by saying,

    "That is too much, Abu Dharr. He who has a white mother has no advantage which makes him better than the son of a black mother."

    This rebuke had a profound effect on Abu Dharr, who then put his head on the ground swearing that he would not raise it until Bilal had put his foot over it.

    These incidents demonstrate that tribal ties have no place in Islam. Muslims are commanded to stick together and not to disassociate themselves from each other just because they come from different tribes. The Messenger of Allah (saaw) also said,

    "The believers, in their love, mutual kindness, and close ties, are like one body; when any part complains, the whole body responds to it with wakefulness and fever." [Muslim],

    "The faithful are like one man: if his eyes suffers, his whole body suffers." [Muslim],

    "An Arab is no better than a non-Arab. In return, a non-Arab is no better than an Arab. A red raced man was not better than a black one except in piety. Mankind are all Adam's children and Adam was created out of clay." [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of Abu Musa]

    Meaning that the Muslims, whether they are of Chinese, African, European or Asian origin, are one Ummah and they cannot be separated from each other. No tribalistic ties should ever break their unity.

    Furthermore, Allah (swt), says,

    The Faithful are but brothers..." [Surah Al-Hujurat (49): ayah 10]

    And the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

    "The Faithful are to one another like [parts of] a building - each part strengthening the others"

    and

    "Every Muslim is a brother to a Muslim, neither wronging him nor allowing him to be wronged. And if anyone helps his brother in need, Allah will help him in his own need; and if anyone removes a calamity from [another] Muslim, Allah will remove from him some of the calamities of the Day of Resurrection; and if anyone shields [another] Muslim from disgrace, Allah will shield him from the disgrace on the Day of Resurrection." [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of `Abd Allah ibn `Umar]

    Some people claim that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) approved of nationalism because during the migration to Madinah, he (saaw) said about Makkah with tears in his (saaw) eyes,

    "You are the most beloved land of Allah to me."

    However, this saying has nothing to do with nationalism, and this can be seen from the full saying which people often do not quote,

    "You are the most beloved land of Allah to me because you are the most beloved land of Allah to Allah."

    The Messenger of Allah's (saaw) lover for Makkah was based on the noble status that Allah (swt) has given to Makkah, and not because he (saaw) was born there. All Muslims should have this love and affection for Makkah because it is the most beloved land in the sight of Allah (swt). After all, the Muslims pray towards Makkah and go there to perform Hajj there as it houses the Ka'ba. The above saying of the Messenger of Allah (saaw) therefore has nothing to do with nationalism. If Rasoolillah (saaw) and the Muhajireen amongst the Sahabah (raa) were tied to the homeland (of Makkah), they would have settled in Makkah after it became part of the Islamic State.

    Not only does Islam forbid people from grouping on nationalistic ties, but it also prohibits the establishment of more than one state, whether these states are based on nationalism or otherwise. The only state that is allowed for the Muslims is the Islamic State, which is a state that is governed exclusively by Islam. Allah (swt) addressed the Messenger (saaw),

    "And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you, and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you"
    [Surah Al-Madinah (5): ayah 48]

    and,

    "And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you and do not follow their whims, and beware (be on the alert) that they may deviate you away from even some part of what Allah revealed to you." [Surah Al-Maidah (5): ayah 49]

    The speech of Allah (swt) to the Messenger (saaw) is a speech to his (saaw) Ummah unless specific evidence comes to restrict this. In this case, there is no such restriction, and so it becomes obligatory for the Muslims to rule according to Islam. And ruling according to Islam leaves no room for nationalistic constitutions whatsoever because what is applied, and what forms the criteria for judgement, is the Book of Allah (swt) and the Sunnah of the Messenger (saaw).

    Ruling according to Islam can only be achieved in one state, with one Khalifah. It is reported in Muslim that `Abdullah ibn `Amr ibn al-'As narrated that he heard the Messenger of Allah (saaw) say,

    "He who gave the bay'ah to an Imam, giving him the clasp of his hand and the fruit of his heart has to obey him as long as he can. If another comes to dispute with him (his authority) strike the neck of that person."

    Abu Said al-Khudri narrated that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

    "If a bay'ah is taken for two Khalifahs, kill the latter one."

    And `Arfaja said that he heard the Messenger of Allah (saaw) say,

    "If someone comes to you when you are united over one man and wants to break your strength and divide your unity, kill him."

    This unity of the Muslims was clearly highlighted in the document that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) wrote when he established the Islamic State in Madinah. In this document, which was to regulate the relationships of Muslims and non-Muslims in the Islamic State, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said regarding the Muslims,

    "Allah's covenant amongst them is one" and "The Believers are brothers to the exclusion of others" and "The peace of the believers is indivisible. No separate peace shall be made with believers are fighting in the way of Allah."

    These statements serve to indicate that Muslims are one body and they are not to be treated separately. Furthermore, the obligation of having one state, and not many nationalistic states, also comes from the Ijma' of the Sahabah. When the Messenger of Allah (saaw) died, the Sahabah (raa) convened to discuss the appointment of the Khalifah in the courtyard of Bani Sa'ida. One person had proposed that the Ansar should elect their own Amir and the Muhajireen their own, but Abu Bakr (ra) narrated the Hadith that forbids the Ummah from having more than one leader. Thus, the Sahabah (raa) never allowed more than one ruler and their consensus is a legitimate evidence for us.

    Islam therefore leaves no room for the Saudi state, and Egyptian state, a Malaysian state, an Iraninan state, or a Pakistani state. Islam calls for one state with one ruler where all Muslims are bound by the `Aqeedah of Islam. And this is a matter deciddd by Islam to which we must submit to, for Allah (swt) says,

    "O mankind, verily We have created you from a male and a female, and made you peoples and tribes, so that you may recognize each other. Verily, the most honored of you to Allah is (he who) safeguards himself against evil with full awareness of Divine Laws. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware." [Surah Al Hujurat (49): ayah 13]

    This verse was revealed immediately after the triumphant entry of the Prophet (saaw) into Makkah. After the declaration of immunity to the Quraysh, the Prophet (saaw) requested Bilal (ra) to give the Adhan. A group of three new Muslims were observing the proceedings when Bilal (ra) was asked to make the Adhan. One of them remarked how happy he was that his parents were not present to see such a disgusting sight. Another one, Harith bin Hisham commented that the Prophet (saaw) couldn't find anybody other than a black crow to make the Adhan. The third one, Abu Sufyan, abstained from making any adverse comment, stating that if he said anything, Allah (swt) would send a revelation to Muhammad (saaw) addressing his statement.

    Allah (swt) sent Jibreel (as) to inform the Prophet (saaw) of the discussion that had just taken place. The prophet (saaw) asked the three men about their conversation, who confirmed to the Prophet (saaw) what Jibreel (as) told him. The verse of the Qur'an was subsequently revealed.

    Because these individuals from the Quraysh were differentiating between themselves and Bilal (ra), Allah (swt) revealed this verse, concluding that the only criteria that Allah (swt) uses to judge between Muslims is that of Taqwa, which Bilal (ra) had and of which they were devoid of. This verse destroys the basis of nationalism in Islam.

    In the first part of the Ayah, Allah (swt) revealed to humanity that all human beings were created from a single pair - Adam and Eve. This statement clearly refutes any claim of certain people that humans came from animals through the process of evolution or any other such claim.

    The part of the Ayah, "..and made you peoples and tribes, so that you may know each other..." is usually misinterpreted as `nations and tribes' to justify the differences created by the existing borders, specifically in the Muslim World. In addition, such misinterpretations are also used to encourage Muslims to foster pride in these affiliations.

    Unfortunately, these Muslims quickly jump to conclusions without looking at what Allah (swt) says. The errant understanding of this Ayah attempts to legitimize the current situation of the Muslim Ummah as many nations - divided and powerless - resulting from the destruction of the Khilafah state on March 3rd, 1924 by the puppet of the Kuffar, Mustafa Kamal.

    Furthermore, such a misunderstanding lends legitimacy to the continued division of the already divided Muslim lands that occurred throughout the twentieth century, with the division of the Indian Subcontinent into Indian, Pakistani and Kashmiri regions; the further division of Pakistan into two countries with the creation of Bangladesh; and the renting asunder of the last Islamic Khilafah by the British agent Sykes and the French agent Picot during World War I in which they used the pencil and ruler to divide the Muslim Ummah.

    "It is not for a believer (male or female) that when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any choice in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in plain error." [Surah Al-Ahzab (33): ayah 36]

    And those who still uphold nationalism, remember what Allah (swt) says,

    "And let those who oppose the Messenger's commandment beware, lest some Fitnah (disbelief, trials,afflictions,...) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them." [Surah An-Nur (24): ayah 63]
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    wow! JazakaAllahu khayran akhi. this was an awesome article. And each one of us should be true believers in Allah and in the message of his Prophet s.a.w. we all should be careful of what we think, say and do. because there are those whom your actions affect, and those whom your words hurt. It is truly sad that in a Muslim community there exists nationalism. and what's worse is claiming yourself as a muslim and then being a racist, or tribalist or a nationalist. You do not have to hate your ethnicity but don't carry it to the extent that you hurt, disgrace, and deny the rights of others due to their ethnicity. our ummah is divided due to nationalism, and due to so much hate for one another. brothers and sisters we really need to wake up and truly cleanse our hearts from racism. if you use the execuse "well i have friends from all over the world", the question is if today you were offered to marry a beautiful pious woman from another culture...would you really marry her? or would your ties with your culture make you hesitate and reject her? if you truly believe in equality as mentioned over and over again in islam....then be of those who stand against injustice and hate, and be of those who help decrease the number of nationalism. We are Muslims and we are ONE UMMAH, WITH ONE BOOK, PRAYING TO ONE GOD - ALLAH. So for once, can we PLEASE stop being so racial and nationalistic. Can't you find in your heart to truly believe in the words of Allah about equality. Everyone is equal except in piety. asalamu alaykum wrwb and remember "United we stand, divided we fall".
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    sister palestine, marriage is really a big turn of human life and it needs to be decided very very carefully. If one doesnt merry a girl from other country, it doesnt mean nationalism. Difference of culture is sometimes harder to overcome. Language some times acts a barrier as you may have to live with HIS parents and meet rest of family.

    There are too many things to be considered. Its not a PC game where you die and re-spawn.

    You have mixed nationalism with personal life.

    I would consider her if she is religious and beautifull (lol)
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    upss u r forgetting something, the exact sentence would be:
    I would consider her if she is religious, beautifull , rich and high status in society =)
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    akhi i'm not saying go out and search for a girl that is from another race. and yes there are so many things to consider. but there are many who do want each other but are forbidden to marry the girl or the guy due to their race, even if they are pious and beautiful and this usually comes from the parents. if two partners can work it out, then let them be. but if we say "hey i won't marry so and so because his from that race" then this is nationalism. few months ago a girl on tti posted a thread about being annoyed by guys because she has light skin. and she was telling people not to choose a girl based on her skin color because that comes under nationalism and guess what.....most of the guys who had replied said they wanted only light skinned women. and they made it seem like the dark skin ones were nothing. for example, i know right now as we speak many arab guys who are willing to marry a woman who is american, and yes white but if a girl came to them from a dark skinned race and was the most pious in town they would not marry her. many young muslim men don't even think of language barrier and such, they only follow their lusts and their desires and they suck up to women with white or light skin. and they even say blond hair and blue eyes is what we want. tha'ts NATIONALISM. but thanks for your point of view. :salam2:
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    lol. nice one.
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    lol.. thats too much. I dont need money from her. I am stubborn to live on my own. Religion is the main thing to look for
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    err.. sister palestine: i hope we have the right to merry a handsome man/beautifull girl?
    Every man gets its equivalent girl in this world

    My sister herself is not pale white and she faced problems earlier on due to that i guess. We are still looking for her match.

    Im next after her .. so want to get rid of her quickly.. lol
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    lol. ya see what i'm saying. people can be so racial and cruel. that's why often i fear getting married. i'm just sick of racism. you better find her someone kind and caring and religious of course. you can still get married even if she's not. in my culture they consider it a disgrace if the younger sister gets married before the older one. but if the younger boy gets married before all of the oldest girls they see it as "natural". lol. and my older sister isn't married yet. she's so stubborn she won't move. lol. :salam2:
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    yeah every culture has its own properties. But it shudnt be a barrier and a dividing line between ummah.

    Usually guys dont get merry as they have to "bear" the burden on their shoulders .

    Perhaps we shud start a culture thread in which every one share the properties of the culture it belongs to or knows abt it. That wud be really interesting
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    Salaam,

    If you really think about it, nationalism in America is pyschologically played in America every day.

    Kids in all schools (pre-school, middle school, etc) pledge of allegiance to the flag. This is how they promote it, at a young age. Nationalism is played & stressed heavily in the Olympics. During the presidential elections, people carry their American flags, which is a sign of patriotism and thus can lead to military recruitment, ignorance, pride, and arrogance. Geography books that outline borders for every country. Next time pay closer attention & see how much you encounter nationalism in your day.

    May Allah unite us all.
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    I was thinking that we arent united which is the cause of our downfall and which has been the cause of our downfall.
    We dont think as a whole rather think for our individual benefit. We need to think about the people around ourselves. Those who are linked with us. Only then we can get our glory back
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    :wasalam: Dear Brother "HelpingHumanity",

    It is really an excellant work. However, I have some comments. If you could clarify further it will be much appreciated. The comments are after the quotation.


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    \\and in the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,

    "He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father's genitals\\" Unquote:

    Could you please clarify whether it is Saheeh or not as the comparison is little a bit confusing. I have a doubt there could be a translation error. If it is Saheeh it is alright, no question. But the wording leads to doubt.

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    \\Islam therefore leaves no room for the Saudi state, and Egyptian state, a Malaysian state, an Iraninan state, or a Pakistani state. Islam calls for one state with one ruler where all Muslims are bound by the `Aqeedah of Islam. And this is a matter deciddd by Islam to which we must submit to, for Allah (swt) says,

    Furthermore, such a misunderstanding lends legitimacy to the continued division of the already divided Muslim lands that occurred throughout the twentieth century, with the division of the Indian Subcontinent into Indian, Pakistani and Kashmiri regions; the further division of Pakistan into two countries with the creation of Bangladesh; and the renting asunder of the last Islamic Khilafah by the British agent Sykes and the French agent Picot during World War I in which they used the pencil and ruler to divide the Muslim Ummah.// Unquote

    Why we do have states like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Qatar, Kuwait and so on is not known to us! Allaah knows everything. His wisdom is above all. As you mentioned there is no base for this nationalism. You see we know that these rulers are not having AQEEDA according to Allaah's Book. No one if we carefully analyze among our so called Islaamic states has the knowledge what Islaam stands for. There are people indentifying Saudi Arabia as a Muslim State. But, you will see once you visit the country. At the Airport the Immigration Process will witness that they descriminate others. There are saperate counters for Saudi Nationals, Citizens of Gulf Corporaton Council, and Citizens of Arab League. Nationalism, Tribalism is up. There is no concern about Islaamic Brotherhood. Those who are employed from South Asia are called Hindee. This is the common identification for Muslims and non-Muslims.
    That is why I think the so called Muslim countries cannot unite. Allaah knows the best. It is His Wisdom.

    In my opinion, Indian Sub Continent should not have partitioned. The partitioning of the Sub continent was forced by the Hindu leaders in order to achieve their goal. Yes, the achieved their goal. After having Pakinstan on religious line, our leaders could not establish an Islaamic State. Why? They were not sincere in their stands. They wanted only the chair. After having a separate state they forgot Qur'an and Hadith. They thought their learning in Oxford and Cambridge would give a better constitution. What a mess those countries are now in. The Muslims in India are targetted by Bajrang Dal and RSS fanatics. Anyway, we have to accept the QADR. Allaah knows the best.

    Also, very recent history, what happened in Afghanistan is an evidence for this. It was Rabbani and Hekmetyar who went to Makkah and signed an agreement with the mediation of the late King Fahad Bin Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia. Both agreed to have Rabbani as President for two years and Hekmatyar as Prime Minister for two year. After two years there will be an election through which a President would be elected. After 2 years Rabani declared not resign. Hekmatyar went into exile. The county was in anarchy. The learned Rabbani did not keep his word. These are the people who came forward to lead Muslim States. There was no Aqeedah. No real trust in Allaah.

    So, brother, do not expect a unity among our present leaders of Islaamic countries. They are not ruling according to the Qur'an and the Ahadith.

    We, Muslims, have to pray to Allaah only. He knows when and where the Islaamic Khilaafa should be established.

    Jaza akumullaahu khairan for the nice article reminding the TTI family the noble cause Islaam shows us.

    Wassalaam
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    nice
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    JazakAllah Khair for the reminder...It is very true that since very early age we are taught about nationalism so many times that it becomes a kind of habit and later our whole life we keep on falling in the trap of Natinalaism so much so that we do not even realize that it is against Islam.
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    :salam2:

    That's true to a certain extent, however the problem arises when two individuals from different background want to get married, and they are completely okay with the language and cultural differences.

    Then the parents start putting pressure to separate them solely because of 'cultural differences'. I think that's plain stupid and hypocritical on the part of the parents. They give so much importance to cultural (which really has little to do with Islam, mostly their personal preference), without considering what the children wish.
    Why do they not show the same determination when the parents forcefully marry of a Daugherty to some men she doesn't want to marry? This is so common in the sub-continent it makes me sick to speak about it. I'm not talking against arranged marriage, but they give no say to the girl whereas in Islam it is REQUIRED to have the girl's consent.

    Pure hypocrisy if you ask me!

    Take Sister Sarah (ShyHijabi's) former situation into consideration. How much role should culture play and how much say do the parents have? Sister Sarah and her suitor are Masha Allah, both are good practicing Muslims. They know what they want and they are going about it in proper Islamic manners. Solely on the basis of that she is not Pakistani can the parent reject the marriage? RasulAllah SAW, gave the most emphasis on RELIGION when choosing a partner, and did not even mention ethnic background.
    I really hope our generation can change this superficial concept of marriage based on culture, money, and status instead of religion, character, and quality.
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    Very good post.

    I do agree with you that the sub-continent shouldn't have divided into three countries, however I don't think it was divided so because of the Hindus.
    The Hindus weren't completely united to have a two separate states one for Muslims and one for Hindus. Case in point, Gandhi didn't want any division.
    In fact no other group wanted two state more than the so called "Muslim League". The whole idea of Muslim League was a joke! Many of the leaders from Muslim League were ardent secularist. Just look at the constitution of Bangladesh and Pakistan. Need I say more?

    What is the purpose of two states? Is it because we don't have to live with the pagans and so we can establish the rule of law based on Sharia?
    We lived with pagans for the past 1000 years.
    We have achieved nothing! Pakistan has been ruled dictators and Munafiqs for much of its existence, not to mention the country which was founded on the basis of establishing an Islamic state, were responsible for horrendous acts of genocide and murder against their Muslim brethren in Bangladesh .
    Bangladesh has been ruled by Munafiqs and corrupt leaders for its entire existence and I see no hope in the immediate future.

    I think it would have been much better to have just onc country of India, Muslims would have been something close to 2 to 1 minority, however right after the independence I think hey would have still retained much of their political and economic power in India.

    Oh Well, that's all in the past! Allah knows best.


    Then again, it's our fault for letting these cowards rule over us. A ruler cannot rule his subjects without having a support system. A faction of our society benefits from the rule of these tyrants, and thus they support him while keeping rest of us suppressed.


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    I have to no words to say, after reading this reply
    these feeling are so true and came from the bottom of your heart....it contains strong intentions, feelings and pain of the umma.

    Mashallah... keep these feeling lively
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    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

    If people were treated equally, there will be no need for nationalism.
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    brother sharingan : We can easily make our parents to accept wat we want. It just requires some courage.

    I admit sister palestine has a really good point of view

    Regarding pakistan, we have it now and we have to defend it,. Its a point of shamne for us that we are unable to enforce the sharia on our land after 60 yrs. The 50% ulma were saying Yes and rests were saying No at the time of creation of Pakistan. They both had valid reasons.

    But I think hindu wudnt have let us grow once brits had left. So i think its pretty alrite. We need to make it stronger so that we can help thte ummah as we are the only official islamic atomic power

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