There were disciples present at the crucifixion. St. John the Apostle, His Mother, Mary Magdalene and other women followers.
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St.John the apostle is not the writer of the Gospel as the Christians scholars says
in fact it's fake one as the Dr.
Alfred E. Garvie says : Encyclopedia of Religions and Ethics Vol. 5 . p. 634
according to three synoptic Gospels no one was there , but the writer of John's Gospel made it up to full some prophecy or make himself the apostle john but he fail too !!!
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John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" We known that God told Moses that his name was "I am that I am" (Yahweh.) Jesus is claiming to exist before Abraham and even use the term from the book of Exodus, "I AM." John 8:59 says "At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds." To further this, the Jews tried to kill him after he made this statement so they obviously knew what he was trying to say.
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1/very doubt about this passage if Jesus really has said that !! exist only in John' Gospel !!
*in his Judgment by the jews they have no proofs to accuse him , so did *they forgot this dangerous incident (where they try to stone him) ???
*they ask him if he was the messiah the King one not God who will die on the Cross ????
2/ there no relation between the old testament and this passage !! it was mistranslation !! as the christians always do !!!
the passage in Greek translation ( in hebrew is Ihihe) it was
Ho On =The Being and ego emy = I am !!! Jesus says ( if he has) I am !! not I am the being as in the old testament says in Exo : I am the being !!
Ego emy Ho On !!!
John's writer want to show that Jesus was before the creation but instead of that it 's very far to be the proclaim as God.( the words are missing)
in the aramic translation it says : I was !!!!
again John's gospel writer fail !!!
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To Massi
3. Jesus said that HE had a kingdom and that it was not of this world, when asked by Pontius Pilate. Pilate declared him king of the Jews and ordered it to be put on the cross.
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1*according to which Gospel you mean ? the three synoptic where Jesus preach the kingdom of God is coming soon or to the Gnostic Gospel of John the Kingdom had come ???
2*according to which Gospel you mean ? the three synoptic where the Romanian and Jews monk Jesus as King of the Jews or to the Gnostic Gospel of John too (the Romanian and Jews monk ) ?
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4. You said that the prophecy referred to someone else. Who else in this world could claim the title of "God with us?" I don't think that Muhammad would even claim this for himself. There is no Jewish man equal to the authority or the influence of Jesus Christ that could be represented in this prophecy.
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the prophecy talks about unknowing one , who will be satisfied in his last days not crucified on the cross , you have to give a clear one not just some similar stuff !!!
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5. Surely, I can prove that Jesus died for the sins of man using Jesus Christian scriptures, such as the book of Leviticus and describing the need for a sacrifice to appease God's anger and how Christ is the "Lamb of God" (words of St. John the Baptist.)
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yeah , it's always from the Gospel of John not from the words of Jesus,
but it's weird that St. John the Baptist didn't know who is Jesus after 30 years , plus he send people to ask him (from the jail) if he was the one will come ( the messiah) or there 'll be another one !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But this means nothing to you as a Muslim because you reject our scriptures as being changed and tampered from what they originally said. I can't prove that Christ died for our sins in the same way that no one can prove that there was any one Gospel given to Jesus to teach. No variation of such a thing ever existed. None of the scriptures ever refer to Christ bringing the word of God, but that HE is the Word of God (Kalimat) as the Qur'an also says. We believe that the Word was God (John 1:1)
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I think I heard this song many times !! I can prove and you can't prove !!!!!!
1*we are not only Muslims who will reject the scriptures which has being changed and tampered from what they originally !!! any one has a good mind will reject its because they are not origin and has changed !!! this is just in the beginning without studying them !!!!
"Jesus died for our sins" is the teaching of Paul of tartos , Not what Jesus preaching , even Jesus warning you from people who comes after him and claim that they saw him Mark 13-22 !!!!!!
2*uh , i think you need to check out deeply about it !!! didn't he say you 'll preach in my Gospel about the story of the parefum and the woman ..!!!so did the writers mean there is the Gospel of Jesus by this unsure story !!!
3* each one of the Gospels was writing as he likes and as he thought and heard about the stories around his area , they were not the disciples of Jesus and they were not eyewitness , so obviously they will have contradictions between them !!!
Quran says : "be so he is " this the word , God created him without a father , that is the miracle but he is just human being not more or less .
(John 1:1) is the words of a philosopher called Philo before JC ...!!! it's an ancient Greek philosophies called Logos ...ect !!!
*** you have to know the bible has never been a source of the faith of the Christianity , in fact it was developed in ages until now days !!
the divine of Jesus became officially in the Council of Nacea in 321 as Constantine order not as the proofs show !!!