Raising your hand in prayer

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
:salam2:

im sure this issue has been discussed many times, i dont mean to bring up a debate i just have a Question, belonging to a family that follows hanafi School of thought i never raised my hand during salaat except when saying takbir (start of prayer) but thankx to my brothers i was able to find many sahih hadith that let us know that our Prophet Muhammed :)saw2:) used to raise hand during prayer

like in sahih bukhari

Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 12 :: Hadith 702
Narrated Salim bin 'Abdullah:
My father said, "Allah's Apostle used to raise both his hands up to the level of his shoulders when opening the prayer; and on saying the Takbir for bowing. And on raising his head from bowing he used to do the same and then say "Sami a-l-lahu Liman hamida, Rabbana walaka-l-hamd." And he did not do that (i.e. raising his hands) in prostrations.

also hadith 703 to 706 same book and volume, verify the same thing.

SO my Question is our the really knowledgable Imam Hanafi (May Allah (swt) bless his soul - ameen, didn't prescribe that in his fiqh?

I dont mean any offence to anyone i just want to know , please dont start a debate here either

Thank You very much
:wasalam:
 

adanshai

Junior Member
Raising the hand before Rukoo and after Rukoo is a confirmed Sunnah, but if you do not proform the action your parayer is still valid.

There is only way to offer Salah i.e. the way the Prophet (may Allah's Peace and Blessing be upon him), there are many books and articles titles The Prophet's Prayer.

Also note following :

This raising of the hands is reported as mutawaatir from him (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam), as is the raising of the hands on straightening up after rukoo`. It is the madhhab of the three Imaams Maalik, ash-Shaafi'ee and Ahmad, and of the majority of scholars of hadeeth and fiqh. Imaam Maalik (rahima-hullaah) practised it right up to his death, as reported by Ibn `Asaakir (15/78/2). Some of the Hanafees chose to do it, among them `Isaam bin Yusuf Abu `Asamah al-Balkhee (d. 210), a student of Imaam Abu Yusuf (rahima-hullaah), as has been explained in the Introduction. `Abdullaah bin Ahmad reported from his father in his Masaa.il (p. 60), "It is related from `Uqbah bin `Aamir that he said about a man raising his hands during prayer, 'He earns ten good deeds for each such movement'." This is supported by the hadeeth qudsee, "... he who intends a good deed and then does it, Allaah writes it down with Himself as from ten to seven hundred good deeds", transmitted by al-Bukhaaree and Muslim.
 

BrotherInIslam7

La Illaha Illa Allah
Staff member
Salaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi,

Imam Abu Haneefa an Nu'man was first of all a Tabi'ee, that is second generation muslim who was student or learned from Sahaba. Therefore we love and respect him because he was among the first to work on Islamic Jurisprudence or Fiqh.

Being a Tabi'ee, it makes sense that Imam Abu Haneefa (may Allah have mercy on him) would have wanted to base his school of thought in accordance to authentic Sunnah and Holy Quran.

However, at the same time, we remember that he was human himself and every human is prone to error. It is next to impossible for a single person to derive accurate rulings on all topics of fiqh. But overall, his contributions to science of jurisprudence are immense and we honor and respect him for that very reason.

Imam Abu Haneefa himself stated (and someone can quote from him) along the lines that his opinion was the Saheeh Hadeeth, which means that he has tried to his level best to base his opinion on saheeh hadeeth. However, in the case such as you mentioned of raising the hands, we have found a mutawatir hadeeth, therefore we follow the hadeeth and put it to practice. And if Imam Abu haneefa had known this hadeeth, he would have certainly included it in his school of thought as well.

Article on TTI about Imam Abu Haneefa

Also the below video describes how Imam Abu Haneefa's closest student Abu Yusuf, changed his views too after he found the evidence for raising the hands.

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Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
:wasalam:,

there could be many reasons. eg. the hadith did not reach him as sahih bukhari and other 5 hadith books did not exist in his (ra) time.

or maybe they had other sources according to which prophet :saw2: did not raise his hands.

may Allah have mercy on Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi, Imam Ahmad, Imam Malik and all others.
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
^^^ I agree with you completely brother.

The hanafis also have hadith to state it was not done.

So i think we should not force any one to do it . Like we can take a horse to the water but can't force it to drink it.
 

daywalker

Junior Member
:salam2:

Hanafi fiqh "prefer" another opinion(not doing rafa yadain) which is mentioned by khulafay rashidin.For deep understanding check imam tahawi(rh)´s Ma'ani al-Athar. the fuqaha' of al-Kufah, where 'Ali(rd) and Ibn Mas'ud(rd) settled, unanimously agreed of raising the hands for the first takbir.
Imaam Maalik (rahima-hullaah) practised it right up to his death, as reported by Ibn `Asaakir (15/78/2).
Its not the official statement neither official position of maliki fiqh. Imam nawawi(rh) mentioned that It was differed upon most notably by Imam Abu Hanifa, and Imam Malik (al-Minhaj Sharh Sahih Muslim b. Hajjaj 2.315).
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
aslam o aliakum

im sorry if i forgot to thank everyone, JazakAllah khair for the answers i read them and :) and understood it well now ALhumdulilah JazakALlah khair everyone :)
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
aslam o aliakum

I just want to put a final statement for anyone else that read this thread, the answer is very beautifully described in the video.
We dont say any teacher is wrong but if we are blessed or exposed to the knowledge of seeing the sahih hadith where Prophet Muhammed (Peace Be UPon him) raised his hadith four times then you gotto make hijrah and upgrade yourself because a muslim is always prepared to change for the best. And we must honor and respect All scholars, they are all great imam, but if you are given the right knowledge you have no reason to be a Muqallid (blind follower) anymore , I put what the sheikh said in the video in words. :)
 

weakslave

Junior Member
It might surprise you to know that if Abu-Haneefah was here now he would disagree with all of those who consider themselves to be followers of his teachings.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
Not to be quoted verbatim, but I recall reading that Imam Abu Hanifah gave a disclaimer saying that if he forgot to include anything or if any of his teachings were contradicted by Quran and Sunnah then we should follow THAT OPINION supported by Quran and Sunnah as he would agree with it as well and he stated that he is of the people who follow that opinion. In other words, if he knew about this Sunnah there's no doubt he would have encouraged it. He must not have been aware of it, that's all.
 

BrotherInIslam7

La Illaha Illa Allah
Staff member
Salaamalaykum sister Shahnaaz

I myself wanted to find the actual quotes of Imam Abu Haneefa when I was typing my earlier post on this thread. I have managed to find it Alhamdulillah.

Abu Haneefah (rahimahullaah)

1. "When a hadeeth is found to be saheeh, then that is my madhhab."[20]

2. "It is not permitted[21] for anyone to accept our views if they do not know from where we got them."[22]

In one narration, "It is prohibited[23] for someone who does not know my evidence to give verdicts[24] on the basis of my words."

Another narration adds, "... for we are mortals: we say one thing one day, and take it back the next day."

In another narration, "Woe to you, O Ya'qub[25]! Do not write down everything you hear from me, for it happens that I hold one opinion today and reject it tomorrow, or hold one opinion tomorrow and reject it the day after tomorrow."[26]

3. "When I say something contradicting the Book of Allaah the Exalted or what is narrated from the Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam), then ignore my saying."[27]

Reference :

20 Ibn `Aabideen in al-Haashiyah (1/63), and in his essay Rasm al-Mufti (1/4 from the Compilation of the Essays of Ibn `Aabideen), Shaikh Saalih al-Fulaani in Eeqaaz al-Himam (p. 62) & others. Ibn `Aabideen quoted from Sharh al-Hidaayah by Ibn al-Shahnah al-Kabeer, the teacher of Ibn al-Humaam, as follows:

"When a hadeeth contrary to the Madhhab is found to be saheeh, one should act on the hadeeth, and make that his madhhab. Acting on the hadeeth will not invalidate the follower's being a Hanafi, for it is authentically reported that Abu Haneefah said, `When a hadeeth is found to be saheeh, then that is my madhhab', and this has been related by Imaam Ibn `Abdul Barr from Abu Haneefah and from other imaams."

This is part of the completeness of the knowledge and piety of the Imaams, for they indicated by saying this that they were not versed in the whole of the Sunnah, and Imaam Shaafi'i has elucidated this thoroughly (see later). It would happen that they would contradict a sunnah because they were unaware of it, so they commanded us to stick to the Sunnah and regard it as part of their Madhhab. May Allaah shower His mercy on them all.

21Ar.: halaal

22 Ibn `Abdul Barr in Al-Intiqaa' fi Fadaa'il ath-Thalaathah al- A'immah al-Fuqahaa' (p. 145), Ibn al-Qayyim in I'laam al- Mooqi'een (2/309), Ibn `Aabideen in his Footnotes on Al-Bahr ar-Raa'iq (6/293) and in Rasm al-Mufti (pp. 29,32) & Sha'raani in Al-Meezaan (1/55) with the second narration. The last narration was collected by `Abbaas ad-Dawri in At- Taareekh by Ibn Ma'een (6/77/1) with a saheeh sanad on the authority of Zafar, the student of Imaam Abu Haneefah. Similar narrations exist on the authority of Abu Haneefah's companions Zafar, Abu Yoosuf and `Aafiyah ibn Yazeed; cf. Eeqaaz (p. 52). Ibn al-Qayyim firmly certified its authenticity on the authority of Abu Yoosuf in I'laam al-Mooqi'een (2/344). The addition to the second narration is referenced by the editor of Eeqaaz (p. 65) to Ibn `Abdul Barr, Ibn al-Qayyim and others.

If this is what they say of someone who does not know their evidence, what would be their response to one who knows that the evidence contradicts their saying, but still gives verdicts opposed to the evidence?! Therefore, reflect on this saying, for it alone is enough to smash blind following of opinion; that is why one of the muqallid shaikhs, when I criticised his giving a verdict using Abu Haneefah's words without knowing the evidence, refused to believe that it was a saying of Abu Haneefah!

23 Ar.:haraam

24 Ar.: fatwaa

25 i.e. Imaam Abu Haneefah's illustrious student, Abu Yoosuf (rahimahullaah). 26 This was because the Imaam would often base his view on Qiyaas (Analogy), after which a more potent analogy would occur to him, or a hadeeth of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) would reach him, so he would accept that and ignore his previous view. Sha'raani's words in Al-Meezaan (1/62) are summarised as:

"Our belief, as well as that of every researcher into Imaam Abu Haneefah (radi Allaahu `anhu), is that, had he lived until the recording of the Sharee'ah, and the journeys of the Preservers of Hadeeth to the various cities and frontiers in order to collect and acquire it, he would have accepted it and ignored all the analogies he had employed. The amount of qiyaas in his Madhhab would have been just as little as that in other Madhhabs, but since the evidences of the Sharee'ah had been scattered with the Successors and their successors, and had not been collected in his lifetime, it was necessary that there be a lot of qiyaas in his Madhhab compared to that of other imaams. The later scholars then made their journeys to find and collect ahaadeeth from the various cities and towns and wrote them down; hence, some ahaadeeth of the Sharee'ah explained others. This is the reason behind the large amount of qiyaas in his Madhhab, whereas there was little of it in other Madhhabs."

Abul-Hasanaat Al-Lucknowi quoted his words in full in An- Naafi' al-Kabeer (p. 135), endorsing and expanding on it in his footnotes, so whoever wishes to consult it should do so there.

Since this is the justification for why Abu Haneefah has sometimes unintentionally contradicted the authentic ahaadeeth - and it is a perfectly acceptable reason, for Allaah does not burden a soul with more than it can bear - it is not permissible to insult him for it, as some ignorant people have done. In fact, it is obligatory to respect him, for he is one of the imaams of the Muslims through whom this Deen has been preserved and handed down to us, in all its branches; also, for he is rewarded under any circumstance: whether he is correct or wrong. Nor is it permissible for his devotees to continue sticking to those of his statements which contradict the authentic ahaadeeth, for those statements are effectively not part of his Madhhab, as the above sayings show. Hence, these are two extremes, and the truth lies in between. "Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith; and leave not, in our hearts, any rancour against those who have believed. Our Lord! You are indeed Full of Kindness, Most Merciful." (Al-Hashr 59:10)

27 Al-Fulaani in Eeqaaz al-Himam (p. 50), tracing it to Imaam Muhammad and then saying, "This does not apply to the mujtahid, for he is not bound to their views anyway, but it applies to the muqallid."

Sha'raani expanded on that in Al-Meezaan (1/26):

"If it is said: `What should I do with the ahaadeeth which my Imaam did not use, and which were found to be authentic after his death?' The answer which is fitting for you is: `That you act on them, for had your Imaam come across them and found them to be authentic, he would have instructed you to act on them, because all the Imaams were captives in the hand of the Sharee'ah.' He who does so will have gathered all the good with both his hands, but he who says, `I will not act according to a hadeeth unless my Imaam did so', he will miss a great amount of benefit, as is the case with many followers of the Imaams of the Madhhabs. It would be better for them to act on every hadeeth found to be authentic after the Imaam's time, hence implementing the will of the Imaams; for it is our firm belief about the Imaams that had they lived longer and come to know of those ahaadeeth which were found authentic after their time, they would have definitely accepted and acted according to them, ignoring any analogies they may have previously made, and any views they may have previously held."

From the works of Shaykh Muhammad Nasiruddeen al- Albani (rahimullah )
 

weakslave

Junior Member
Salaamalaykum sister Shahnaaz

I myself wanted to find the actual quotes of Imam Abu Haneefa when I was typing my earlier post on this thread. I have managed to find it Alhamdulillah.



From the works of Shaykh Muhammad Nasiruddeen al- Albani (rahimullah )

Jazaka Allaahu khairan brother. If one listens to Abu-Haneefa's supporters he might dislike the man. But if we read about him and his life, we are filled with nothing but love for him.
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
aslam o alaikum

JazakAllah khair brotherinIslam7 that information you posted is very very nice, is possible can you also post the link you got it from so if someone wants to read more they could?

JazakAllah khair
 

adanshai

Junior Member
I would like to add here that the hadith collection did not start with Imam Ahmed Hanbal in 241 (A.H.) as stated above - it is correct Imam Ahmed Hanbal was the teacher of Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, Imam Abu Daud to name a few - but the collection of hadith started much early, they started with small collections like -

1, Saaheefa Saadiqq - attributed to Abdullah Ibn Amr Al-nas (died 63H)
2, Saaheefa Sahehaa - attrib to Humaan Munabbeh (rahimullahllaah)
3, Saaheefa Basheer Ibn Naheek
4, Saaheefa Musnad Abu Hurairah (radi-Allaahu-anhu)
5, Saaheefa Alee (radi-Allaahu-anhu)

to name a few (these are the work of 1st period)

2nd period

Mainly Muwaat Imam Malik

600 marfoo Hadith
222 mursal hadiths
617 mawqoof hadiths
275 saying of the successors

Saheeh Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim the authentic collections comes after Muwaata .

(Taken from The compliation of Hadeeth - Syed Abdul Ghaffar Hassan Rahmaanee)

It just needed to clarify the above statement. It is a vast subject .

Correct me if I am wrong .
 

MutlekM

Junior Member
^^^ I agree with you completely brother.

The hanafis also have hadith to state it was not done.

So i think we should not force any one to do it . Like we can take a horse to the water but can't force it to drink it.
:salam2:
lol that quote reminds of my W. History teacher he always uses that quote before a test.
Peace:)
 

fada_all

Junior Member
Salaamalaykum sister Shahnaaz

I myself wanted to find the actual quotes of Imam Abu Haneefa when I was typing my earlier post on this thread. I have managed to find it Alhamdulillah.



From the works of Shaykh Muhammad Nasiruddeen al- Albani (rahimullah )


salam alikum wa rahmatu allahi taala wa barakatuh,

excilent answer akhi masha allah , may allah reward you with al ajeer wa tawab and grant you the higtest rank in al firdaou's al aa'la
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
Salam
the thing I know, that the time Imam Abu Hanifa(rahimallahu) wrote his book,at that the Hadeeth collection was not established to a great extend.So (allah knows the best) he missed it,and as far I know,the book was not written by himself but by his two followers who collected his articles and arranged.
He was a great scholar and he is known as Imam-e-Azam.
refer: at youtube Madhab by hussein yee

Jazakallahu Khairn
 
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