Satanic Verses

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kashif_nazeer

~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
When you don't know how the narrations are classified you don't comment on it."Some say,other say.,we can believe the verion that best suits us"...dont be an ignorant fool who sits on his backside and just likes to comment and compare your idiotic western version of how shallow history is classified in the west to the preservation system of hadith.

You dont have an idea why you are here,make up your mind or shut your face.
 

Townie

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When you don't know how the narrations are classified you don't comment on it."Some say,other say.,we can believe the verion that best suits us"...dont be an ignorant fool who sits on his backside and just likes to comment and compare your idiotic western version of how shallow history is classified in the west to the preservation system of hadith.

You dont have an idea why you are here,make up your mind or shut your face.
Maybe you didn't understand what I wrote. There are several different versions of the story of the satanic verses. I think you would have to agree that this is correct.
Within this thread there have been two different versions, set out by Muslims, who I think we can assume believe what they are saying. So people are choosing the version which suits them, correct?
The rest of your comment was just rude and silly, but I forgive you for it.
 

strive-may-i

Junior Member
I don't think that the quality of a man's writing is dependent on his morals or his actions. Salman Rushdie is a very respected writer,

This is where the differences begin. So he cant walk the talk err writing. In most part of world, that does not give any one respect.
And if you ask, we will say he does all this for a living. Ask Rushdie himself...

Stoic and averse. Thats what Townie,
Satanic verse and its author is all about. Rushdie is another case of Manufactured publicity. Its been thrown up again and again in this forum. This forum has much better deeper topics discussed, search the forum and you will get the answer.
Practically speaking, subhuman portrayals of a person and by extension a people can also have bad consequences, in a very immature world so full of hatred towards THOSE people. The 'other' were once Jews. Now it is Muslims. Are we free to say this? Respond with violence? Who has done that? Let us get some sense of proportion back into this whole thing about violence and provocations. Kindly note that Rushdie is alive and well (and may he continue to be and maybe then he shall be moved one day to express some sympathy for a million Iraqis who are dead for no fault of theirs)

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I have read the Qur'an, but only in translation I'm afraid. I do not think that Satan had anything to do with the verses, but I am also not sure that this incident didn't happen.
Response:
Personally, I thought it was a microcosm of the cognitive dissonance between the (relatively) privileged and the (relatively) oppressed. No category is absolute or impermeable, of course; to have death threats publicly uttered against you is an act of oppression. And yet, Salman Rushdie has lived in relative affluence, his physical safety ably defended by the nation-state of his choice.......And Salman Rushdie, defender of rapist Roman Polanski and U.S.'s war against Afghanistan, advocate of declaring Pakistan a terrorist state, and disparager of all post-colonial vernacular writing is hardly a poster child for the virtues of a self-righteously unrestricted tongue.
When I read the plot summary of the book now in preparation to writing this post, I was surprised by how much I had forgotten about the book. It was not terribly memorable, though in part that was the fault of having read it a trifle young, without literary context to grasp all the themes, or appreciate some of the nuances. What I do remember with vividness though, is reading, almost 10 years later, Martin Ling's biography of the Prophet Mohammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources, and being shocked by how much fantasy I had assumed to be fact due to unquestioningly accepting the Mahound narrative in Rushdie's book.............................. the anti-Muslim bigotry around me was insidious and pervasive enough so as to strip any such dignity or familiarity away from Mohammad.

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(from his wikipedia entry). I have read .........
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Rushdie has reported that he still receives a "sort of Valentine's card" from Iran each year on 14 February letting him know the country has not forgotten the vow to kill him. He said, "It's reached the point where it's a piece of rhetoric rather than a real threat."[43] Despite the threats on Rushdie, he has publicly said that his family has never been threatened and that his mother (who lived in Pakistan during the later years of her life) even received outpourings of support.[44]
A former bodyguard to Rushdie, Ron Evans, planned to publish a book recounting the behaviour of the author during the time he was in hiding. Evans claimed that Rushdie tried to profit financially from the fatwa and was suicidal, but Rushdie dismissed the book as a "bunch of lies" and took legal action against Ron Evans, his co-author and their publisher.[45] On 26 August 2008 Rushdie received an apology at the High Court in London from all three parties.[46] A memoir of his years of hiding, Joseph Anton, is due to be published 18 September 2012. Joseph Anton was Rushdie's secret alias.

International Guerillas
In 1990, soon after the publication of The Satanic Verses, a Pakistani film entitled International Gorillay (International Guerillas) was released that depicted Rushdie as plotting to cause the downfall of Pakistan by opening a chain of casinos and discos in the country. The film was popular with Pakistani audiences, and it "presents Rushdie as a Rambo-like figure pursued by four Pakistani guerrillas".[51] The British Board of Film Classification refused to allow it a certificate, as "it was felt that the portrayal of Rushdie might qualify as criminal libel, causing a breach of the peace as opposed to merely tarnishing his reputation."[52] This effectively prevented the release of the film in Britain. He later said, "If that film had been banned, it would have become the hottest video in town: everyone would have seen it".[52] While the film was a great hit in Pakistan, it went virtually unnoticed in the West.[52]

From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie
(I found one section removed from wiki, interesting that section has been removed. It had a carefully worded response from Rushdie.)

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It's the eternal fight - freedom of expression vs safeguarding the true interest of those harmed by an act committed freely but irresponsibly.
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Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
May I just remind the Brothers and Sisters NOT to waste their precious time. It's the last 10 days of Ramadan. This guy is just bored, with no purpose to life and wants to a lil bit more of his life time doing something other than eating and sleeping.

What's up with you? Forgotten what you are suppose to do. I believe debating ignorants and arrogants surely isn't what we are supposed to do. NOT during the last 10 days of ramadan at the very least. And not if the person in question is an absolute insult such as this one. He wants to see "your" personal opinion and not Islam. Are you really that important that you opinion must be sought in the matters of the deen? To hell with sucha terrible discussion. A discussion on Rushdie? Oh please.

I don't think that the quality of a man's writing is dependent on his morals or his actions. Salman Rushdie is a very respected writer.
A person with a lil decency would know not to make comments like this in a place like this and to a people like us.

Go kiss his feet, if he's so dear to you. For us, he's more detestable than a cockroach in a gutter. Stop pushing him down our throats. I'm amazed TTI is till letting you spread you dirt all around.
The rest of your comment was just rude and silly, but I forgive you for it.
And you are damn insulting, but I forgive you for it.

Meh!
 

Townie

Junior Member

This is where the differences begin. So he cant walk the talk err writing. In most part of world, that does not give any one respect.
And if you ask, we will say he does all this for a living. Ask Rushdie himself...

Stoic and averse. Thats what Townie,
Satanic verse and its author is all about. Rushdie is another case of Manufactured publicity. Its been thrown up again and again in this forum. This forum has much better deeper topics discussed, search the forum and you will get the answer.


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Not quite sure why you keep sending the same post (this is the third time most of this has been posted), but don't answer the questions I ask about it.
Guess you have your own reasons so I shall just let it be.
 

Townie

Junior Member
Are you really that important that you opinion must be sought in the matters of the deen? To hell with sucha terrible discussion. A discussion on Rushdie? Oh please.
A person with a lil decency would know not to make comments like this in a place like this and to a people like us.
Go kiss his feet, if he's so dear to you. For us, he's more detestable than a cockroach in a gutter. Stop pushing him down our throats. I'm amazed TTI is till letting you spread you dirt all around.
And you are damn insulting, but I forgive you for it.
Meh!
What is the point of this site if it is not to dispel misconceptions about Islam? I have certainly gained understanding of what Muslims believe and it has been interesting to see the range of views, even on only a small issue.
I don't think everyone on the site feels exactly the same about it as you do - that's why it was worth asking the question.
If you think I am being insulting I am sorry for it; it was not my intention. Maybe you should look a bit harder at yourself and work out why you should react so strongly. It is a very unpleasant trait, but I forgive you for it too.
 

Al-Kashmiri

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As-salaamu `alaykum,

This is getting ridiculous. The subtle insult charges - whether true or not, the calls for banning, the horrendous du`aas being made etc. To the user who was going on about the registration page - sorry but your assertion is ridiculous and there's no need to accuse someone in such a way. As a mod - I can assure you many sign up and default to Islam as its first on the list - yes it's careless on the user. Townie, I suggest for now that you leave this topic until Ramadan comes to a closure or until a decision is reached - in the mean time learn about the tenets of the faith, what we believe and why. I understand that you have questions, but I'm not going to make the first thing I ask a Catholic for example, when wanting to learn about his/her beliefs - why so many priests rape and molest young boys. Your actions are akin to that and on the surface it appears as clear and open ignorant/insulting behaviour. Second, many past experiences have made it clear that beginning with questions like these, the user is merely here to cause trouble and cause upset. This would explain the reaction somewhat - so please consider what topics you discuss and at what time you choose to bring them up.To other users, seriously, don't even bother replying if you have no value to add to this convo, as most of you haven't and have wasted your time, and wasted your speech as you uttered what's that are not good.

As a temporary measure, I'm closing this thread. This action may not be undone once we (mods) have reached a decision.
 
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