Saudi women challenge driving ban

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Noor to shine

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:salam2: rothers and sisters
I am saudi woman living in Saudi Arabia ,I visited many westren countires and islamic countries ......I feel that my country is the most perfect one where I can practise Islam ......Yes we don`t drive .....but that is better for us as women ....My husband drive for me (this make the family closer) .....I don`t think that it is good for women to go out alot ....In her house she is closer to Allah swt ......The westren style of life raise people to seek happiness out side while Islam taught us to feel peace at home.....this does not mean that i don`t go out but it is not a must that i walk around in streets........Be careful my sisters in Islam : our time is more valuable to be wested .......Allah swt wants us to look for our families and houses care for our children ........Then for those who has extra time it is Ok to work in a decent manner ......But it is not a must to go out.......When a woman leave her house then she is exposed to Shaiytan. :astag:
 

BintMuhammad

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:salam2: rothers and sisters
I am saudi woman living in Saudi Arabia ,I visited many westren countires and islamic countries ......I feel that my country is the most perfect one where I can practise Islam ......Yes we don`t drive .....but that is better for us as women ....My husband drive for me (this make the family closer) .....I don`t think that it is good for women to go out alot ....In her house she is closer to Allah swt ......The westren style of life raise people to seek happiness out side while Islam taught us to feel peace at home.....this does not mean that i don`t go out but it is not a must that i walk around in streets........Be careful my sisters in Islam : our time is more valuable to be wested .......Allah swt wants us to look for our families and houses care for our children ........Then for those who has extra time it is Ok to work in a decent manner ......But it is not a must to go out.......When a woman leave her house then she is exposed to Shaiytan. :astag:

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I agree with you sister. Also, to those who are saying that this ban is to belittle the rights of women and this is some kinda gender descrimination, are you saying that to protect you is to belittle you? Women, accept it or not are created weaker than men. Imagine if you're out there in the Saudi streets or out there in the desert traveling from Riyadh to another city by yourself and some crazy group of guys May Allaah swt forbid attacks you, now tell me that's freedom.

:wasalam:
 

muharram23

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:salam2: rothers and sisters
I am saudi woman living in Saudi Arabia ,I visited many westren countires and islamic countries ......I feel that my country is the most perfect one where I can practise Islam ......Yes we don`t drive .....but that is better for us as women ....My husband drive for me (this make the family closer) .....I don`t think that it is good for women to go out alot ....In her house she is closer to Allah swt ......The westren style of life raise people to seek happiness out side while Islam taught us to feel peace at home.....this does not mean that i don`t go out but it is not a must that i walk around in streets........Be careful my sisters in Islam : our time is more valuable to be wested .......Allah swt wants us to look for our families and houses care for our children ........Then for those who has extra time it is Ok to work in a decent manner ......But it is not a must to go out.......When a woman leave her house then she is exposed to Shaiytan. :astag:

Sister salamu alaykum,
First of all, i love saudi arabia. It is the only country in the world that implements quran and sunnah in almost everything. It;s the land of Kaaba, mekka and madinah. The land of resulullah sv.s and the sahaba. The land where islam began, where quran was revealed, where Jibreel a.s and other melaeeka came to assist the muslims. That is the land where the first battles where fought to spread the deen. That is the land where the best of the people, the sahaba, were living,fighting with resulullah, and some killed and the once that were promised jannah by resululllah s.v.a. and most are even barried (not that this gives us any benefit in 'ibadah) there. That is the land of the kebirul ulemaa. I could continue and continue, however my question is, one sister that came here to the US from saudi, she mentioned to my wife that sisters are not allowed to drive (which i knew) due to not mix with non-mahrems, but then she said that most of the times women have to take a taxi which is driven by non-mahrem men. So, she has to mix there with a non mahrem who u never know what could do. You know shaytan's tricks are strong. I mean im sure the ulema have their strong opinions about that, and they are not goiing against the prohibitions about women driving. But do you know any fatwaa or anything about what the ulema think about women having to ride in a taxi driven by non mahrem men? I respect all the ulema in saudi arabia, i love them for the sake of ALlah. Barakallah feek. InshaAllah one day il be able to make hijjrah there. Assalamu alaykum.

Muharram
 

ShyHijabi

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Salaam,

There are very clear Hadiths where Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) rode camels. A car and a camel are transportation...in the end both take women out of their home and traveling about, yet the Porphet (pbuh) did not forbid it.

I feel the law in Saudi forbidding women to drive is un-Islamic because it is making harem that which is halaal. And furthermore it is making a BIG mistake by allowing non-mahram male and female be together in the case of taxi drivers.

The arguments I see against women driving are fairly weak in my opinion and not based on Quran or Hadith but rather a mysogynistic, cultural belief. I really was stunned to see someone use the argument that a woman driving would take a car away from young men who are "more deserving." Honestly....that kind of commentary sickens me. Since when are men more deserving than women. Does the Quran not tell you that the kingdom of heaven lies at your mother's feet?? One sex does not deserve ANYTHING more than the other. Allah swt blesses people by the piety of their soul, not by the genitals they possess.

Wasalaam

~Sarah
 

muharram23

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Based on these two principles, the ruling on women driving should be clear, because women driving includes a number of evils, including the following:

1 – Removal of hijab, because driving a car involves uncovering the face which is the site of fitnah and attracts the glance of men. If someone were to say that a woman can drive a car without taking off her hijab, by covering her face and wearing dark glasses over her eyes, the answer to that is that this is not what really happens when women drive cars. Ask those who have seen them in other countries. Even if we assume that this could be applied initially, it would not last for long, rather the situation would soon become as it is in other countries where women drive. This is how things usually develop; they start out in an acceptable fashion then they get worse.

In regard to this reason I disagree. My reason is where I live I see many Muslim Mothers who always wear niqab, who always wear Hijab still wear it after they learned driving in UK.
Some sisters who dnt wear hijab still dnt wear hijab driving or not.
Mothers who drop off thier kids to school fully modest while driving.
I think as long as u urself have good and strong imaan, no matter what situation ur in u won't change.
Just coz everyone takes off thier Hijab would u if ur religiously devoted give up ur modesty.
Allhamdulilha i'm learning to drive, I wear a hijab. I chose a woman instructor to teach me. I would never inshallah take off my Hijab, I would rather improve in modesty.


2 – Another evil consequence of women driving cars is that they lose their modesty, and modesty is part of faith as is narrated in a saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Modesty is the noble characteristic that befits the nature of women and protects them from being exposed to fitnah. Hence it is mentioned in a metaphorical sense (in Arabic), in the phrase “more modest than a virgin in her seclusion.” Once a woman’s modesty is lost, do not ask about her.

See above, many Sisters wear Niqab and drive get thier kids and are fully modest it doesnt change them.
3 – It also leads to women going out of the house a great deal, but their homes are better for them – as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said – because those who love to drive enjoy it very much, hence you see them driving around in their cars here and there for no purpose, except to enjoy driving.

It depends solely on the person a person who is preservative will only go places where its needed.
A person with taqwa and god fearing wouldn't go to places for enjoyment.
Exactly where would u go other than shopping, or going to the hospital etc..
Where do men go? Other than work and where its needed. Do they joy ride.
But ppl who are the type who want to joy ride and show off thier skills and drive like crazy will always do, but not every body is like that.

4 – You may find a divorced woman going where she wants, whenever she wants and however she wants, for whatever purpose she wants, because she is alone in her car, at any time she wants of the day or night. She may stay out until late at night. If people are complaining about this with regard to young men, then what about young women, going all over the place the length and breadth of the country, and maybe even beyond its borders.

Generalising, not very divorceee would go where ever they want.
A good person wouldnt go all over the place.
For example do all boys go every where?


5 – It is a means of women rebelling against their families and husbands; at the least provocation they may go out of the house and drive in the car to wherever they think they can get some peace, as happens in the case of some young men, who are able to put up with more than women.

what wrong in that, a woman may go out the house just walk around and come same as driving around and come.


6 – It is a cause of fitnah in many places: when stopping at the traffic lights, or at gas stations, or at inspection points, or when stopped by policemen at the scenes of traffic infractions or accidents, or if the car stalls and the woman needs help. What will her situation be in this case? Perhaps she may come across an immoral man who takes advantage of her in return for helping her, especially if her need is great to the point of urgency.

Yes it can occur everything has a bad side. If u walk u can also be in an accident.
7 – When women drive it leads to overcrowding in the streets, or it deprives some young men of the opportunity to drive cars when they are more deserving of that.

Uhem men more deserving? why?

8 – It causes fitnah to flourish because women – by their nature – like to make themselves look good with clothing etc. Do you not see how attached they are to fashion? Every time a new fashion appears they throw away what they have and rush to buy the new things, even if it is worse than what they have. Do you not see the adornments that they hang on their walls? In the same way – or perhaps more so – with the cars that they drive, whenever a new model appears they will give up the first for the new one.

Um Noway. Not all girls are shopaholic.
They cant just buy something they want, fiancial situation are there.
How can a peron give up thier old one for a new model if they cant afford it?
Not everyone drives to show off, but buy a car to make life easier.


Brother/sister,
U know the ruling here is made u know just like why ALlah s..va forbad Alcohol, gambling and stuff. Because they do bring some benefit, however the evil that they bring is way more then benefit. And we can definitelly seee that in the non muslim countries. The same way we women driving im sure they made the ruling according that there would be more evil. More young girls would be driving cars and going where they shouldnt go and meet boys. That is why the society in saudi arabia is alhamdulillah clean of most of the stuff that happens around the world. If ur a guy then u shouldnt complain :), because ur allowed to drive. Women should be able to complain because they can;t, but still i dont see many sisters complain. Ive told that in saudi arabia, women have more rights and are respected way more than anywhere in the world. so, we cant forget all the good, just because of something small. You have heard how the kuffar are talkin about this in the west. Also, the ulema are talking about this and saying that it is better not for them to drive. Who are we to say that we know better then them. If they say something and get it wrong, then they get 1 reward, and if they say something and it is right, then they get two rewards. Wallahu alem.
 

BintMuhammad

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As silly as it may sound, everyone including women are allowed to walk, but how is that different from driving? Isn't there a risk in walking and aren't you still mixing with men on the streets? Everything in life has risks, but we live within the limitations according to the Quran and the sunnah of the Prophet (saw), NOT with cultural laws and customs! It's almost like saying we shouldn't be eating with spoons and forks. You can't find the answer to that in the Quran, but it's practical logic and I believe it's same with driving.

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Brother, I'm not talking about long distance walking here. Just a small Baqala near your house and LoL streets there are not congested for women and men to like bump into each other. Also, the point here is where driving a car brings you. We know our intention is good but just like sickness, protection is better than cure.
 

muharram23

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Salaam,

There are very clear Hadiths where Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) rode camels. A car and a camel are transportation...in the end both take women out of their home and traveling about, yet the Porphet (pbuh) did not forbid it.

I feel the law in Saudi forbidding women to drive is un-Islamic because it is making harem that which is halaal. And furthermore it is making a BIG mistake by allowing non-mahram male and female be together in the case of taxi drivers.

The arguments I see against women driving are fairly weak in my opinion and not based on Quran or Hadith but rather a mysogynistic, cultural belief. I really was stunned to see someone use the argument that a woman driving would take a car away from young men who are "more deserving." Honestly....that kind of commentary sickens me. Since when are men more deserving than women. Does the Quran not tell you that the kingdom of heaven lies at your mother's feet?? One sex does not deserve ANYTHING more than the other. Allah swt blesses people by the piety of their soul, not by the genitals they possess.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

Salamu alaykum,
you do have a point sister. I mean who narrated most of the hadeeth after abu khurairah? Aisha r..a narrated couple thousand of hadeeth to us. Prophet's wives are mothers of believers. However, sister we can't forget all the good that is in saudi arabia. So, what if a women can't drive, not a big deal. I mean most of the times i hate driving, wish somone could drive, you know u get tired of it, but im a guy :). But women are treated as queens and princesses there. If you ever watched movies of like middle age times, the qeens and princesses would always sit in the back relaxing while others have to drive them. But i asked sister noor, about women having to ride with non mahrem men in taxi's. I just wanna know the fatwa of the scholars what they think about that. I mean they have to have some kind of security, maybe camaras inside or somethin?
 

muharram23

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:salam2:

Brother, I'm not talking about long distance walking here. Just a small Baqala near your house and LoL streets there are not congested for women and men to like bump into each other. Also, the point here is where driving a car brings you. We know our intention is good but just like sickness, protection is better than cure.


Good answer mashAllah
 

BintMuhammad

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Salamu alaykum,
you do have a point sister. I mean who narrated most of the hadeeth after abu khurairah? Aisha r..a narrated couple thousand of hadeeth to us. Prophet's wives are mothers of believers. However, sister we can't forget all the good that is in saudi arabia. So, what if a women can't drive, not a big deal. I mean most of the times i hate driving, wish somone could drive, you know u get tired of it, but im a guy :). But women are treated as queens and princesses there. If you ever watched movies of like middle age times, the qeens and princesses would always sit in the back relaxing while others have to drive them. But i asked sister noor, about women having to ride with non mahrem men in taxi's. I just wanna know the fatwa of the scholars what they think about that. I mean they have to have some kind of security, maybe camaras inside or somethin?

:salam2:

In my 15 years of living in Saudi Arabia, I haven't seen a woman ride a taxi all by herself. LoL I don't think there are cameras :D but that's a good idea, maybe we should suggest that!
 

abou haytam

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Does the ruling on driving a car vary from one country to another?

Question:
Throughout the Muslim world we find that there are differences between one country and another, in manner of dress, customs and traditions. For example we see that in some countries our sisters wear niqaab, because they follow the fatwa that says that niqaab is obligatory, but that is not widespread in another country, and the opinion that they follow there is that niqaab is not obligatory, rather it is mustahabb. Similarly with regard to women driving cars, in some countries the shaykhs have declared it to be haraam because of the harms that would result if it were allowed, whilst in other countries it is a very ordinary thing for a woman to drive a car, and they have been doing so for decades.
To what extent is there flexibility in rulings? Is what is happening correct, I mean is it right that something may be obligatory in one country and mustahabb in another?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

The rulings of sharee’ah are of two types:

1 – Those where the evidence of sharee’ah points to the ruling, regardless of various customs or what good or bad consequences may result.

In this case the ruling is fixed and does not vary from one place to another or from one person to another, unless a person is forced to do something, is sick or is excused, in which case the ruling is waived as much as required by his situation according to what it says in sharee’ah.

An example of such a fixed rule is the obligation to offer the five daily prayers, to fast Ramadaan, to enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, to seek knowledge, etc.

Another example is the obligation for the Muslim woman to cover her entire body, including the face and hands. This ruling is obligatory and does not vary from one place to another.

We have already discussed this obligation in questions no. 21134 and 13647, where we quote the evidence for that.

2 – Rulings which are based on specific reasons, or where the ruling as to whether a thing is forbidden, allowed or obligatory depends upon whatever good or bad consequences will result from that, and where there is no shar’i evidence to suggest a fixed ruling that does not vary. The issue of women driving cars may come under this heading.

The scholars have issued fatwas stating that it is haraam because of the negative consequences that may result from it.

This applies completely to the land of the two Holy Sanctuaries. With regard to other countries, the matter should be referred to trustworthy scholars for they know their countries’ situation best.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

People have spoken a great deal in the al-Jazeerah newspaper about the issue of women driving cars. It is well known that it leads to evil consequences which are well known to those who promote it, such as being alone with a non-mahram woman, unveiling, reckless mixing with men, and committing haraam actions because of which these things were forbidden. Islam forbids the things that lead to haraam and regards them as being haraam too.

Allaah commanded the wives of the Prophet and the believing women to stay in their houses, to observe hijab and to avoid showing their adornments to non-mahrams because of the permissiveness that all these things lead to, which spells doom for society. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salaah (Iqamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet), and to purify you with a thorough purification”

[al-Ahzaab 33:33]

“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed”

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful”

[al-Noor 24:31]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No man is alone with a (non-mahram) woman but the Shaytaan is the third one present.”

Islam forbids all the things that may lead to immorality or accusations of immoral conduct made against chaste women, who never even think of anything touching their chastity, and it has stipulated a punishment for that which is one of the most severe of punishments, in order to protect society from the spread of the causes of immorality.

Women driving is one of the means that lead to that, and this is something obvious, but ignorance of the rulings of sharee’ah and the negative consequences of carelessness with regard to the things that lead to evil – as well as diseases of the heart that prevail at present – and love of permissiveness and enjoying looking at non-mahram women all lead to indulging in this and similar things, with no knowledge and paying no attention to the dangers that it leads to. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): (But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are Al-Fawaahish (great evil sins and every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse) whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge”

[al-A’raaf 7:33]

“and follow not the footsteps of Shaytaan (Satan). Verily, he is to you an open enemy”

[al-Baqarah 2:168]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I am not leaving behind me any fitnah more harmful to men than women.”

It was narrated that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The people used to ask the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about good things, but I used to ask him about bad things, fearing that I would live to see such things. I said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, we were in a state of ignorance (jaahiliyyah) and evil, then Allaah sent us this good (i.e., Islam). Will there be any evil after this good?’ He said, ‘Yes.’ I said, ‘Will there by any good after that evil?’ He said, ‘Yes, but it will be tainted.’ I said, ‘How will it be tainted?’ He said, ‘(There will be) some people who will guide others in a way that is not according to my guidance. You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of others.’ I said, ‘Will there be any evil after that good?’ He said, ‘Yes, there will be people calling at the gates of Hell, and whoever responds to their call, they will throw them into it (the Fire).’ I said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, describe them to us.’ He said, ‘They will be from among our people, speaking our language.’ I said, ‘What do you command me to do if I live to see such a thing?’ He said, ‘Adhere to the jamaa’ah (group, community) of the Muslims and their imaam (leader).’ I asked, ‘What if there is no jamaa’ah and no leader?’ He said, ‘Then keep away from all those groups, even if you have to bite (eat) the roots of a tree until death overtakes you whilst you are in that state.’” Agreed upon.

I call upon every Muslim to fear Allaah in all that he says and does and to beware of fitnah and those who promote it. He should keep away from all that angers Allaah or leads to His wrath, and he should be extremely cautious lest he be one of these callers to Hell of whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) tells us in this hadeeth.

May Allaah protect us from the evil of fitnah and its people, and protect this ummah from the evil of those who promote bad things. May He help the writers of our newspapers and all the Muslims to do that which pleases Him and may He set the Muslims straight and save them in this world and in the Hereafter, for He is Able to do that.

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 3/351-353.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen was asked: I hope you can explain the ruling on women driving cars. And what is your opinion on the idea that women driving cars is less dangerous than their riding with non-mahram drivers?

The answer to this question is based on two principles which are well known among the Muslim scholars:

The first principle is: that whatever leads to haraam is itself haraam. The evidence for this is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allaah, lest they insult Allaah wrongfully without knowledge”

[al-An’aam 6:108]

So Allaah forbids insulting the gods of the mushrikeen – even though that serves an interest – because it leads to insults against Allaah.

The second principle is: that warding off evil – if it is equal to or greater than the interests concerned – takes precedence over bringing benefits. The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: In them is a great sin, and (some) benefits for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit”

[al-Baqarah 2:219]

Allaah has forbidden alcohol and gambling even though there is some benefit in them, so as to ward off the evils that result from them.

Based on these two principles, the ruling on women driving should be clear, because women driving includes a number of evils, including the following:

1 – Removal of hijab, because driving a car involves uncovering the face which is the site of fitnah and attracts the glance of men. A woman is only regarded as beautiful or ugly on the basis of her face, i.e., if it is said that she is beautiful or ugly, people only think in terms of her face. If something else is meant it must be specified, so that one would say that she has beautiful hands or beautiful hair or beautiful feet. Hence it is known that the face is the focal point. If someone were to say that a woman can drive a car without taking off her hijab, by covering her face and wearing dark glasses over her eyes, the answer to that is that this is not what really happens when women drive cars. Ask those who have seen them in other countries. Even if we assume that this could be applied initially, it would not last for long, rather the situation would soon become as it is in other countries where women drive. This is how things usually develop; they start out in an acceptable fashion then they get worse.

2 – Another evil consequence of women driving cars is that they lose their modesty, and modesty is part of faith as is narrated in a saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Modesty is the noble characteristic that befits the nature of women and protects them from being exposed to fitnah. Hence it is mentioned in a metaphorical sense (in Arabic), in the phrase “more modest than a virgin in her seclusion.” Once a woman’s modesty is lost, do not ask about her.

3 – It also leads to women going out of the house a great deal, but their homes are better for them – as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said – because those who love to drive enjoy it very much, hence you see them driving around in their cars here and there for no purpose, except to enjoy driving.

4 – You may find a divorced woman going where she wants, whenever she wants and however she wants, for whatever purpose she wants, because she is alone in her car, at any time she wants of the day or night. She may stay out until late at night. If people are complaining about this with regard to young men, then what about young women, going all over the place the length and breadth of the country, and maybe even beyond its borders.

5 – It is a means of women rebelling against their families and husbands; at the least provocation they may go out of the house and drive in the car to wherever they think they can get some peace, as happens in the case of some young men, who are able to put up with more than women.

6 – It is a cause of fitnah in many places: when stopping at the traffic lights, or at gas stations, or at inspection points, or when stopped by policemen at the scenes of traffic infractions or accidents, or if the car stalls and the woman needs help. What will her situation be in this case? Perhaps she may come across an immoral man who takes advantage of her in return for helping her, especially if her need is great to the point of urgency.

7 – When women drive it leads to overcrowding in the streets, or it deprives some young men of the opportunity to drive cars when they are more deserving of that.

8 – It causes fitnah to flourish because women – by their nature – like to make themselves look good with clothing etc. Do you not see how attached they are to fashion? Every time a new fashion appears they throw away what they have and rush to buy the new things, even if it is worse than what they have. Do you not see the adornments that they hang on their walls? In the same way – or perhaps more so – with the cars that they drive, whenever a new model appears they will give up the first for the new one.

With regard to the questioner asking, “And what is your opinion on the idea that women driving cars is less dangerous than their riding with non-mahram drivers?” – what I think is that both of them involve danger, and one is more serious than the other in some ways, but there is no necessity that would require one to do either of them.

Please note that I have answered this question at length because of the controversy that surrounds the issue of women driving cars, and the pressure faced by conservative Saudi society, which is striving to adhere to its religious commitment and morals, to allow women to drive cars.

This would be nothing strange if it were to come from an enemy who seeks to cause harm this land which is the last bastion of Islam that the enemies of Islam wish to penetrate. But what is even stranger is that this is coming from our own people who speak our language and live under our banner, people who are dazzled by what the kaafir nations have of material advancement and admire their ways which are devoid of any moral restrictions.

End quote from Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen.

With regard to countries in which woman are allowed to drive cars, Muslim women should avoid that as much as possible, for the reasons mentioned above.

In cases of necessity, such as helping accident victims or fleeing from a criminal, there is nothing wrong with a Muslim woman using a car in such situations, if she cannot find a man to help her.

There are other cases, such as women who have to go out to work and have no husband, father or guardian to look after them and no income from the government to meet their needs, and they cannot find work that they can do at home, such as some internet-based jobs, so they are forced to go out. In that case they can use the means of transportation that poses the least danger to them.

There may be some means of transportation that are available only to women, or a group of women may hire a driver to take them to work or university. Using taxis– for those who can afford it – may be better than using public transportation where a woman may be exposed to humiliation and aggression, so they should use taxis, so long as they are not alone with the driver.

If a woman is forced to drive a car in cases of extreme need, then she should drive wearing full jilbaab and hijab, and with fear of Allaah.

We have already mentioned above what constitutes need.

Women should also seek fatwas from the trustworthy scholars in their own countries – not those who are too lenient – who understand both sharee’ah and the situation in that country.

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can”

[al-Taghaabun 64:16]

We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon his family and companions.

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abou haytam

Junior Member
salam

please read it. it s long but very informative.

brothers and sisters talking about un or non -islamic law should learn how islmic laws are build.

allah know best.
 

BintMuhammad

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double standards

Rulings concerning women riding with drivers and without a mahram

Question:
I am a woman who works as a student supervisor in one of the schools. The nature of my work is such that I go on trips to schools outside the city in which I work, where I go with some other women who work there, accompanied by a driver but without a mahram. What is the ruling on that, and what is the ruling on the salary I take? – knowing that my personal circumstances and my work circumstances do not allow me to have a mahram with me.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

If there is another woman or two women with you, or more, and the driver is trustworthy, there is nothing wrong with you riding with these women without a mahram, so long as this does not constitute travelling, because travelling is not permitted without a mahram, even if there are other women with you. Concerning the trips outside the city, if the places are nearby and you come back the same day, this is not travelling and you do not need a mahram.



From the Fatwas of al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen for al-Da’wah magazine.
 

Southrn_Muslimah

bnqɯnɥ 'ɥɐq
:salam2:

We definitely need a group hug in this thread :D I have enjoyed reading everyone's opinion. Insha Allah no one has a bitter taste left in their mouth :)

:wasalam:
 

apocalypse77

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:salam2: rothers and sisters
I am saudi woman living in Saudi Arabia ,I visited many westren countires and islamic countries ......I feel that my country is the most perfect one where I can practise Islam ......Yes we don`t drive .....but that is better for us as women ....My husband drive for me (this make the family closer) .....I don`t think that it is good for women to go out alot ....In her house she is closer to Allah swt ......The westren style of life raise people to seek happiness out side while Islam taught us to feel peace at home.....this does not mean that i don`t go out but it is not a must that i walk around in streets........Be careful my sisters in Islam : our time is more valuable to be wested .......Allah swt wants us to look for our families and houses care for our children ........Then for those who has extra time it is Ok to work in a decent manner ......But it is not a must to go out.......When a woman leave her house then she is exposed to Shaiytan. :astag:


And I beleive that if a man still wank at the sight of a niqaabi, its the MAN'S fault and NOT the women. Dont try to put all the blame on the women!!

Btw i beleive everything, (repeat: everything), can leads to corruption. You can use a knife to kill somebody, or you can use it to make the best meal he ever had. This is non-sense.
 

IslamIsLight

Islam is my life
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salam aleikum
why is it so big deal if they don't let them drive a car there .....If hey want keep family values ,let them .Why we think we always need to copy western world.
I lived in russia most of my life and we never cared about driving a car either ....
wasalam
 
:salam2:

Brother, I'm not talking about long distance walking here. Just a small Baqala near your house and LoL streets there are not congested for women and men to like bump into each other. Also, the point here is where driving a car brings you. We know our intention is good but just like sickness, protection is better than cure.

Salaam,

Long distance, congestion are all relative to each individual. Is driving 5 miles long distance or walking 5 miles long distance? One might think New York has alot of traffic and congestion, but China is even more congested.

Yes protection is better than cure, but shouldn't that apply to men as well? As a man, I would be more happier if we boycotted driving for both men and women then not allowing women.

P.S. what do you think about tinted windows maybe that can be a solution ;)
 
Does the ruling on driving a car vary from one country to another?

Question:

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen was asked: I hope you can explain the ruling on women driving cars. And what is your opinion on the idea that women driving cars is less dangerous than their riding with non-mahram drivers?

The answer to this question is based on two principles which are well known among the Muslim scholars:

The first principle is: that whatever leads to haraam is itself haraam. The evidence for this is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

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Salaam,

Like one of the brothers have said, anything can lead to haram. Our tongues (foul language) our eyes (not lowering our gaze), our ear (listening to haram things), etc. The respected scholar did not prove (with the Quran or hadiths)why it is haram, only stated his own personal view. Each individual is accountable for their OWN actions! A man can very well do haram things in the car/driving or with the car.
 

apocalypse77

Junior Member
salam aleikum
why is it so big deal if they don't let them drive a car there .....If hey want keep family values ,let them .Why we think we always need to copy western world.
I lived in russia most of my life and we never cared about driving a car either ....
wasalam

what has women driving has to do with the fact that were copying the western world??

i beleive like what shyhijabi said its more of a the culturally misogynistic tradition that prevents women from driving. The way it was being viewed as if Saudi women are created to make men sin by their flamboyantly "promiscuous" nature despute wearing niqaabs

people think we live in a more decadent society today while people have acted more or less the same way for centuries. It seems like there's more chaos now because of technology (internet & TV) but humans have basically behaved the same way for thousands of years (abortion, prostitution, drugs, alcohol, and so on)

To think that that a "perfect" era without sin is ridiculous. To think that men and women will immediately think about dating and exchanging number with that purpose is over exaggeration. BTW exchanging number is not bad (depending on the purpose). For some reason people always think of men and women as uncontrollable animals that without a separation will start partying and "everything".


I'm realistic. There has been sin in the past, there will be sin in the future. One has to deal with reality by facing it not ignoring it. Separation won't do anything. If people want to date and exchange numbers, they'll do it no matter what!!

Some people belief that any physical attraction is mostly on the part of the women. Women can't wear perfume at the mosque, but men can wear cologne. There's a great emphasis on avoiding any "misconduct" but some people over exaggerate and pursue personal agendas or cultural traditions that supersede Islam

If a woman drives a car could cheat on her husband with a strange man in the street then she could do the same thing with her chaffuer "driver" whom she depends on to drive her car! She could also cheat on her husband online , would u ban the internet service in Saudia for that?? Cheating isn't related to woman freedom for driving the car or not , it is something about self respect , esteem and trust!! If ur man has high self esteem and trusts u , he won't care about this matter even if u r flying a plane!

IVE SAID THIS BEFORE AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN:

Because everything, (repeat: everything), can leads to corruption. You can use a knife to kill somebody, or you can use it to make the best meal he ever had.



Women have a right to speak and be heard. That's all, even if you disagree with them.I'd say that women have to protect their holiness with God and men should control their desires. That sounds better!PEACE!!
 
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