Video Science student find peace and Logic in Islam. Steven Byers New Muslim Video Convert

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    HI GB, thx for sharing your problem with us the muslim community. there is one fact you have to bear in mind that:

    A prophet, or more accurate to be called Rasul is someone has been chosen by The God to preach to oneness of God. As time progressing, A Rasul only being sent by God to preach to certain region of people, at certain period and place. When a next Rasul came after the previous one, people must follow their own Rasul and obey him. For example, Moses is dedicated to preach the egyptian king and his people, Jesus is for Jews in Israel only. Only then when Muhammad S.A.W came after all of these Rasul/prophets, people must follow and obey Muhammad because he is the last messenger.

    A last messenger means to conclude all what had brought by all the previous Rasul/prophets. And the preaching of Muhammad is for the whole nation of mankind regardless of race, place, and culture. As a person being born after the Muhammad S.A.W, we are the nation of him and we must follow and obey him. But at the same time, we must also have faith in all the previous Rasul, but not to follow what they preached to their own people at that time.

    The concept of living that the prophets or Rasul preached is different to each other but the Faith never change, that is Oneness of God. That means syariah and laws maybe different from time to time, as according the suitability of the region and period of time. For example, ancient people had yet prohibited to take alcohol and pork, but if we are follower of Muhammad, we are prohibited to take both.

    so the jews claim they are follower of Moses and they can either accept Muhammad, but this doesn't mean they obey Muhammad S.A.W. If they obey Muhammad they must accept the oneness of God and Muhammad is the last messenger of God. same goes to Jesus. Even in the original Gospel stated that there will be the next Rasul raised from Arabic land and the mentioned person is Muhammad S.A.W. Original Gospel contains the name of Muhammad but now the bible has been edited. Means the name of Muhammad has been erased and changed to other meaning. This is to avoid Christian to question and then obey Muhammad. So who did the editing, only God knows.

    Koran did not reveal all to Muhammad S.A.W at one time. Because each verse by verse is revealed to Muhammad according to certain situation and happenings. That is why there is a history behind every verse of Koran. Since each of the verse has its own happening and story, so not all verses are connected or relate to each other, but the truth is there is no contradiction is Koran.
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    HI GB, a prophet or Rasul only sent by God to certain region of people at certain time and period. So we do not obey what they preached at that time. But Muhammad S.A.W is the last messenger and means that his preaching is the conclude of all the previous prophets/Rasul had brought.

    we are nations born after Muhammad's time, so we are the follower of Muhammad and we must obey what he preached. At the same time, we also believe and accept all the previous prophets/Rasul.

    For example Moses was preached to the egyptian king and his people, Jesus or Isa was preached for only Jews from Israel, and lastly, Muhammad is for the whole nation regardless of race or culture, until the doom day. All these has been mentioned in Koran itself. Even in original text of Gospel also stated that there will be a Rasul/prophet raised from Arab and the person mentioned is Muhammad the last messenger. Modern scriptures of gospel has been changed by certain people, which means the name of Muhammad contained in Gospel has been edited. That's y Christian do not aware who should they follow.

    Koran did not reveal all to Muhammad S.A.W at one time. Because the verse was revealed according to certain happenings and situation during Muhammad's life time. every verse has its own history and story behind. But, Koran does not contradict to each other because everything said in Koran is true.

    Unlike bible, some verse may say Jesus is the messenger, some may said he is the son of God, some even believe he is being crucified for our sins. In fact bible itself mentioned the son does not inherit the sins from his father, and thus we do not carry sinful nature from Adam.

    In Islam, every child is born innocent. Until he grows up when he able to think and differentiate good or bad, it is compulsory for him to think with his brain. Because God has sent guidance of RAsul and prophets, the Holy scriptures including Koran, advises, reminders etc. If he denied and refused to think, then he is sinful because he reject the truth.
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    Trinity made simple !!!

    Salaamu Alaykum Bros/Sis,

    Confuse about the trinity? well, here is a nice guy tht would help us understand, so watch and judge u'rself the complexity of the trinity business.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4hxNhpfdExE

    :wasalam:
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    If christian believe all the prophets preached to believe in One God, so same with Jesus too.

    Never reject the truth brought by a Rasul when he said, Allah is one.
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    i was a christian too. But now i'm a muslim and forever i die in the name of Allah.

    I couldn't accept the story of a 'God' came to the nation by commit suicide himself on the cross to free the people's sins.

    But if you say there is a true God created the whole universe and human, and Muhammad S.A.W is the messenger of God, yes i accept that.
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    assalamualaikum brother........

    you have been selected by the Almighty. u r lucky. alhamdulilla. every child is born as a muslim. so were u also.It is his parents or the cicumstances that changes his born religion.But have recognised ur creator.Learn more abt it frm authentic sources ie; Holy Quran and prophet's teachings and convey the message to ur people. may Allah bless u to be a true servant of him. u will be in my prayers insha Allah.
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    Quran Al-Anbiyaa:30

    Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?

    this is agreed by the theory of Big Bang that universe began from explosion as mentioned in Koran "heavens and earth were closed up, but We(Allah) have opened them". In Quran Allah usually uses 'We' as personal pronoun because in arabic grammar We is a respectful noun, it does not mean Allah is alot.

    Water is the main source of every living things even a bacteria that lives in extreme dry condition. It is because without the process condensation and hydrolysis of loosing or gaining a water molecule, protein won't formed and life will not exist!
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    Prophet Mohammed.

    thanks for your informative post.
    You mentioned that must follow the messenger and do according to what he preached.
    As I am a non muslim and I have only read the Qu'ran, which is God's word, where else can I read/or get a book giving accounts of what Mohammed taught? If its in the Hadith only, then can you recommend which one>
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    The messenger

    I agree with you there.
    But I do not accept Mohammed above another who has risen and IS with G-d.
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    Hi,

    We do not make any distinction between the Messengersand and the call to worshipping Allaah alone either:

    The Messenger (Muhammad SAW) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)." Chapter: Al-Baqarah (2) Verse #: 285
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    Welcome, my most pleasure to help you.

    i've seek advise from my adopted brother regarding your questions. He is the one introduced me into Islam, his father is an Islamic teacher and his grandfather is a scholar.

    First of all, the most important that Muhammad (Peace be upon him) taught is Allah(The God) is one, and he is the last messenger of Allah. We must never reject a Rasul/prophet when he preached Allah is one. In Islam we must accept and follow Muhammad S.A.W, and have faith to all the prophets/Rasul, including Jesus Christ himself. Which means, we must never reject any one of them, or else we are similar to Kafir(non-muslim), or those who against/disbelieve God.

    The similarity of all the Rasul is that they were preaching Allah is one. The difference only in laws from Allah/Shari'a. These laws may differ according to period, place, and people. For example during prophet Adam A.S, at that time it was allowed to marry among siblings but now not anymore. Because that time there was no other people except their own siblings.

    For the time being, i suggest you to read the very basic and important faith in Islam. You can read the hadith later because now you may find it confusing. And also you can read about the 5 pillars and faith in Islam:

    http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/uiatm/un_islam.htm

    I used to be a buddhist, then Christian, finally Islam. According to buddhism, human is born to suffer (eg: criminals, sickness, old, death) and must free from reincarnation in order to escape life and death again. I found this is much ridiculous and unacceptable. Human shall not deserved to suffer and reincarnate. Human is suffer because they are lacking of knowledge and guidence. That is what Islam for, guidence to human. Also Buddhism unable to provide me an exact answer regarding the existence of the entire universe. Their theory can't be agreed by modern science. Buddhism only a culture or a pagan.

    Christian do believe the previous 23 Rasul/prophets before Jesus were preaching that Allah is one. So we shall expect same goes to Jesus christ too. But the weird part is when christian say Jesus, Holy Spirit and Holy Father is one; the Trinity. Don't you feel some kind of unmatched? Don't forget in the bible saying God is similar to none, so how could they expect The God is similar to the holy spirit and holy son? This is a contradiction .. there are even more. Logically thinking, if a God is said to be Allmighty, He shall not be compared to other creatures that similar to Himself. Because God's power stands by Himself, He needs nothing to compare to Him. He is the creator. His creation never same to Him.

    If you are the creator of a 3D game, can the character in the game be similar to you? Did you get the logic?

    If Christian say Jesus Christ died on the cross to free the people sins... then why in the bible saying that Jesus shouting why God leaving him? Rather unwillingly... how could you expect someone who is unwilling to die and then self-proclaimed to free our sins? Also in bible saying the son will not inherit sinful from his father, which means we are not born to be sinful nature. This is another contradiction already....

    So we must say all prophets preaching the God is one. And there must be a last messenger and scriptures to conclude all the prophet's taught. The last messenger and scriptures is Muhammad S.A.W and holy Koran.

    Koran is the revelation from God to Muhammad S.A.W during his lifetime being a Rasullullah/prophet of Allah. As i said, the verses are revealed to Muhammad according to certain happenings and situation. After he got the verse from Allah, he will memorize all of them and recite to his companions/sahaba. Only the qualified will write down the recitation. After that Muhammad will double check the recitation from time to time especially during Ramadhan or the fasting month. Soon after the pass away of Muhammad S.A.W the writings were compiled together to become a complete Koran, and preserved until today, and the Doom Day/Qiamat.

    The preserving process means no one can edit, change, switch or rewrite any of the alphabets, sentences, meaning and the whole context of Koran. Not even a comma is edited. It is because the arrangement of Koran from Allah is at such perfect until no one can change it. This is the biggest miracle in Islam.
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    Muhammad S.A.W only preached to us to believe Allah is one. And to accept all the prophets in the world. If we disagree with anyone of them, we are clearly against Allah.

    There are people trying to prove that Muhammad is not a Rasul/prophet but they failed to do so. Because all their quoting from Koran being answered by islamic scholar and the Koran itself.

    People tend to read Koran only by surface without deep inside to all the meanings and happenings behind a verse. So they would probably think there are errors with it. Or they only quote certain verse without reading the whole context of the chapter/related topic.

    if all the prophets say Allah is one, and we shall never reject the truth brought by Muhammad S.A.W. The previous prophets have expected Muhammad S.A.W to come and they asked people to obey Muhammad. Or else, we are against those prophets, and become a disbeliever of Allah.
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    Thank you for that sir.
    There is just one point about your post I would like to raise.
    The scriptures are clear about the crucifixion. I have also read the Qu'ran on this issue. And here my friend is the contradiction. I will be studying the Qu'ran in depth to see if there is any reason to suggest that what is written in the scriptures is genuinely without foundation.
    I'm not a happy christian. But I'm not about to forsake the written scriptures for the Qu'ran until I am satisfied beyond all shadow of doubt. The same applies to the status of YESHUA.
    I'm not about to enter a debate here as it is not permitted. I'm just letting you know where I stand at this stage.
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    ^ At the risk of being too pedantic, I apologise, but if you want to put the apostrophe in the following word, it should be done like so: "Qur'an". :) Peace out.
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    Mohammed.

    Thank you for your posts. With all due respects to you both, I sincerely hope you understand my dilemma. I am sure you know my back ground and that as a christian (Disillusioned) I sincerely hope you can understand that I was taught that YESHUA was much, much, more than a prophet. Unlike the other prophets, YESHUA was totally sinless and still is today. Unlike the other prophets. YESHUA was risen and is with the Almighty to this day.
    That is my dilemma. I have no problem with Islam, but I need to study the Qu'ran in detail for me to come to a clear decision on which faith to follow.
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    Qur'an

    Thanks for that .
    Will practise that now. Qur'an, Qur'an, Qur'an. Got it thanks once again
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    look at your two last posts and there you will find the contradiction!"i agree with you there" and then "but the scripture...." and then am "decieved christian ...." i hope Allah swt removes that anxiety from you heart
    and give you the same conviction to match your words inschallah go ahead search ask question be skeptical that`s the right attitude but be just to yourself sincere and accurate in your approach the only thing we have in this life is time and health and that`s a big gift i wish you to make the best use of them both inschallah.
    regards

    SINDBAD
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    hi, it's ok wf me... i open mind to talk everything....

    If we hav faith wf Koran/Qur'an, we believe Jesus/Easa was not crucified. I heard saying before the one being crucified was the betrayer of Jesus, Allah has raised Jesus away from enemies and left the betrayer to be punished on the cross. everyone thought he was Jesus but not... only that his face changed to look alike Jesus Christ.

    In Koran it does mention about the real happening. And also in Koran Allah praised the mother of Jesus, Mary to be the most sacred woman in the world because she has delivered Jesus without a father.

    I only trust the original scriptures of Gospel. I believe the modern bible has been edited, that's why it contains alot of contradiction.... and clearly it was writen by men. If a Gospel came from God, it shouldn't have errors.

    you may read the hebrew version of Bible, it mentioned in Solomon chapter 5 verse 16, the name of Muhammad. You won't find the name of Muhammad in the english version because people has translated the meaning of 'Muhammad' instead of maintaining the real name. The 'Mahammuddim' mentioned in hebrew is a plural of respect, and it is not a verb or adjective. Because only person name can use the rule plural of respect. You can also read the whole chapter 5 to get the basic idea of Muhammad.

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