Sisters in mosques

[ditta]

Asalamu Alykum,

I personally think sisters should have a choice, maybe one time they want to pray at the mosque and another time they dont, its good to have a choice and the sisters should be allowed.

Alhamdulilah

Wasalam

 

[mubka]

RE.Sisters in mosques

:salam2:
Dear sisters and brothers
First I voted the above item which is the one allowing the women to pray in mosques,but with( sunna)
But since we are talking about religion (deen) , Iam not sure how is permissible to vote the item like this.

I agree our sister Aisha1114, who remembers us we can not argue our prophets Hadith, yes we can vote if there is no Hadith.

I think the point is clear but with the proof like our brother happy 2 BA muslim mentioned(hadith), with conditions of our sister Shaheedu and Abdul-raheem for mentioned the especial place for women and at last the point of our brother Vertualeye which proofs the point is not suitable for vote since every member can contribute(like non muslims)…
Wabillahi towfiif

 

[virtualeye]

salam alaykum,

Jazakallaahu khayr Virtualeye for your explanation.

As the brother mentioned, it is not just muslims that vote here. If however there is a muslim who thinks that the Masjid belongs only to the men then he should consult some ahadeeth of the Messenger of Allaah (saws).

wasalaaam.

AssalaamuAlaikum,

JazkaAllahu Khairan.

One point to clear the minds of those people who think women are not allowed in Masjid.

If a dogs used to not only enter but urinate in the masjids in the era of Prophet (SAW). Did the companions of Prophet SAW beat or kill the dogs? then I would ask, are those women worse than dogs in your view?

It is duty of those men to politely mention the women to stay at home and pray there, but they can NOT force them. If they annoy those women of Islam then all they burden of the sins will be on their shoulders.


Wassalaam,
VE

 

[ShyHijabi]

Salaam,

I thought the hadith about women praying at home had to be looked at in it's entirety? If I remember correctly an elder woman who had pain while praying asked the Messenger (pbuh) about praying in the Mosque because it was hard for her to go to the mosque, and that's why he told her it was better for her to pray at home? Sometimes I wonder if this was taken out of context and thus people think it's better now for ALL women to pray at home?

Of course I am completely open to correction here as I am still very much in the beginning stages of learning. Wasalaam.

~Sarah

 

[zainab]

:salam2:

I think it is very beneficial for females with children to go to the mosque often. Especially if we live in a non muslim country. Of course if the mosque offers female prayer facilities.

 

[muslimguy]

I think women should go to the masjid as much as they can. how do we expect for women to bring up a good muslim generation if we don't allow them to come to the masjid and get islamic education

 

[MubarekMuslimah]

Salaams I understand what many people say that it is better for women to pray at home of course insha'allah. But I do not think forbidding women to go to the mosque is a good idea because of many new reverts - their only lifeline to other muslims sometimes is the mosque and for female reverts they need valuable support from other sisters and to be welcomed into the community and not be isolated. For many reverts the sisters they meet at the mosque are a lifeline and can really help them with their deen - this is very important and if we say no women in the mosque at all then some female reverts may end up turning away from Islam again because they have no support and nowhere to get it. Especially if they come from an area with few muslims and its not easy to meet them any other way.

Salaams

 

[MubarekMuslimah]

Plus another thing I have thought of is the recommendation and reward for praying in congregation. Alot of sisters ( espeically reverts) never get the chance to pray in congregation if they cant go to the mosque - this is the only place sometimes it can be possible to meet other sisters and pray together. And we cant deny women this opportunity to get extra reward insha'allah.

I think if there is no specific reason why a women should pray at home ( children, illness, domestic duties, no women's area at mosque etc) then she should be allowed to pray at the mosque insha'allah. I am sure there is a hadith ( I will look for it) which says that a husband shouldnt stop his wife from praying at the mosque if she wishes. Dont quote me on that though til I find it - back soon insha'allah

Salaams

 

[MubarekMuslimah]

Aha! Found it:

The Prophet said, ‘Do not prevent the female servants of Allah from going to the mosque of Allah.’ (Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Vol 1. Hadith 832)

Narrated Salim bin Abdullah: My father said, “The Prophet said, ‘If the wife of any one of you asks permission (to go to the mosque) do not forbid her.”

(ii) And he specifically told husbands, “When your women folk ask you for permission to attend the mosque, do not prevent them.” (Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book of Salaah, Chapter 80, Hadith No. 832)

Salaams

 

[kayleigh]

Salaams I understand what many people say that it is better for women to pray at home of course insha'allah. But I do not think forbidding women to go to the mosque is a good idea because of many new reverts - their only lifeline to other muslims sometimes is the mosque and for female reverts they need valuable support from other sisters and to be welcomed into the community and not be isolated. For many reverts the sisters they meet at the mosque are a lifeline and can really help them with their deen - this is very important and if we say no women in the mosque at all then some female reverts may end up turning away from Islam again because they have no support and nowhere to get it. Especially if they come from an area with few muslims and its not easy to meet them any other way.

Salaams

Good point and I agree 100%. I know that, as a revert, if it weren't for the mosque I wouldn't know any Muslims and wouldn't know as much as I do now. Practicing would become very hard or nearly impossible if I never knew another Muslim.

 

[MOSABJA]

RIGHT

THEY HAVE A RIGHT OBVIOUSLY(PROVEN THROUGH HADITH).BUT WOMEN SHOULD NOT GO UNNECESSARILY .IN TIMES OF PROPHET(S.A) WOMEN USED TO GO TO MOSQUES TO LISTEN TO JUMMAH KHUTBAH NOT FOR EVERY SALAH .

 

[dna1987]

At the time of Muhammed(saws), was there a seperate place for sister? for praying i mean.

Salam alaikum. At the time of our prophet, the women prayed in the same mosque, behind the men. Today, however, the women and men don't dress or behave like they did during our prophet's time. There will undoubtedly be a few people at least that dress up or behave in a way which they think will 'appeal' to the other gender.

Mosques should make specific rooms or places for sisters. The problem occurs if there is a budget problem and such a room cannot be developed.


PS: Sister ShyHijabi brought up an interesting point; can anyone else elaborate on it?

 

[amyaishazouaoui]

:salam2:

women are mothers and teach their kids. if women arent allowed to mosue, they miss an opportunity to be educated and to teach little one how to behave in mosque. If we dont teach ourkids, the ummah will fall apart. just look at the different communities who dont allow their women to mosque and ow they are failing.

 

[junaid hasan]

What if the woman is not married.Can she go to the Mosque?Is there a hadith about it.I was in the mosque only few times.Every time I go I feel uncomfortable there,because there mostly man and I'm very young and nice looking.But I like to pray in the Mosque ,plus they always have so many books there.What should I do?

hehehe sister i think dont go in the mosque if its a reason for a fitna for men because we men know how much effect it to us.

if you go with niqab then its will better i think.

 

[kayleigh]

I was taught and have been under the impression that women aren't banned from the mosque (obviously), but that women weren't required to go like men are because it may interfere with their household and motherly responsibilities. But if there is time for them to go, then they can. Is this correct?

 

[TheKnowledgeSeeker]

Assalamu alaykum,

I personal think it is ridiculous of those brothers who gave them the right to choose who comes in to the mosques? That is one thing I hate about Islam nations (but I love my deen) because it was like that in my country other than the pray you do in the middle of the night in Ramadan. Some of us mix deen with culture and I think the brothers were doing that because some muslim nation woman are not allow to go outside until night or in mosques. It is sad those are the brothers who the one non-muslim people talk to about islam and they are mixing culture with religion. Should brothers be role modles to non-muslims in gerenal and they are like that what a shame. What sad world we live in? Next time slap them at the head any of you and hopeful younger brothers will not do that (hopeful).

wasalam

:tti_sister: - May Allah make us good muslim and create equality among us!

 

[MubarekMuslimah]

salaams sister shyhijabi

The ruling cannot be taken from the one hadith and I believe you are correct in your opinion that the hadith needs to be looked at in entirety and in context and with other hadith - thats how people get confused.

The hadith is:‘The prayer of the women is better in their house than in the mosque and the prayer of the women is better in their rooms than in their house.’

This is viewed in this context insha'allah at the time :The Prophet (Pbuh) said that if a person prays in the mosque, he gets 27 times more blessings (sawaab). Some women argued, “We have infants at home and other house-hold work and therefore we cannot go to the mosque”. Thus, the men have greater advantage than women for receiving such blessings. It is then that the Prophet said what is reported in the above Hadith that, “The prayer of women is better in their houses than in the mosques and the prayer of the women is better in their rooms than in other parts of their house’.

It relates to reward - meaning women can get the same reward by praying at home - as we know salat in the mosque is not compulsory for women as it is for men ( jummah prayer )

I am not a scholar but with a bit of research this is what I have found as said by most scholars.

Also to be read with the following hadiths insha'allah

The Prophet said, ‘Do not prevent the female servants of Allah from going to the mosque of Allah.’ (Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Vol 1. Hadith 832)

It is reported by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet (Pbuh) said: “The best row for men is the first, and the worst for them is the last. The best row for women is the last, and the worst is the first.” (Muslim) (Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Vol 1. Hadith 824)

Aisha RA also reported women going to the mosque in the time of the Prophet pbuh and leaving straight after the salat.

This is the Hanafi view alhamdulillah

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=10&ID=8740&CATE=216

and this

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=4151&CATE=456

So in my opinion it is about a sister weighing up what is better for her - to pray at home for the reasons stated in the links ( fitnah, domestic duties etc) against go to mosque (need of Islamic knowledge, support, pious company, no commitments at home) A woman is not obliged to go to the mosque and should not go uneccessarily in order to chat and socialise if the environment is not right, or if she is neglecting other duties etc but she should not be prevented from going at all either. In the case of revert sisters in Western countries it is especially important to go to the mosque.

Anyways - hope that helps. I find www.sunnipath.com a very reputable site for advice and rulings.

Salaams

 

[samiha]

Salaam,

I thought the hadith about women praying at home had to be looked at in it's entirety? If I remember correctly an elder woman who had pain while praying asked the Messenger (pbuh) about praying in the Mosque because it was hard for her to go to the mosque, and that's why he told her it was better for her to pray at home? Sometimes I wonder if this was taken out of context and thus people think it's better now for ALL women to pray at home?

Of course I am completely open to correction here as I am still very much in the beginning stages of learning. Wasalaam.

~Sarah

wa alaykum salam dear sis

I think even had that been taken in a different context, there are other hadith which support the praying at home:

"There is no doubt that a woman’s prayer in her house is better for her than praying in the mosque, as is indicated by the Sunnah of the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him). He said: "Do not prevent your women from going to the mosque, even though their houses are better for them." (Reported by Abu Dawud in al-Sunan, Baab maa jaa’a fee khurooj al-nisaa’ ilaa’l-masjid: Baab al-tashdeed fee dhaalik. See also Saheeh al-Jaami‘, no. 7458).

Whenever a woman prays in a place that is more private and more hidden, that is better for her, as the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "A woman’s prayer in her house is better than her prayer in her courtyard, and her prayer in her bedroom is better than her prayer in her house." (Reported by Abu Dawud in al-Sunan, Baab maa jaa’a fee khurooj al-nisaa’ ilaa’l-masjid. See also Saheeh al-Jaami‘, no. 3833).

Umm Humayd, the wife of Abu Humayd al-Saa‘idi reported that she came to the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) and said: "O Messenger of Allaah, I love to pray with you." He said: "I know that you love to pray with me, but praying in your house is better for you than praying in your courtyard, and praying in your courtyard is better for you than praying in the mosque of your people, and praying in the mosque of your people is better for you than praying in my mosque." So she ordered that a prayer-place be built for her in the furthest and darkest part of her house, and she always prayed there until she met Allaah (i.e., until she died). (Reported by Imaam Ahmad; the men of its isnaad are thiqaat (trustworthy)).

But the fact that praying at home is preferable does not mean that that women are not permitted to go to the mosque."

In the time of the Prophet the women did pray behind the men, but they knew what was apropriate and what was not. They had an atomosphere in which every women understood and accepted the rules of praying behind the men. In today's society... IF such an atmosphere can be created, then there shouldn't be anything wrong in praying behind the men without a solid partition.

Sahih Bukhari:

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 368:
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle used to offer the Fajr prayer and some believing women covered with their veiling sheets used to attend the Fajr prayer with him and then they would return to their homes unrecognized .

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 799:
Narrated Um Salama:
Whenever Allah's Apostle finished his prayers with Taslim, the women would get up and he would stay on for a while in his place before getting up. Ibn Shihab said, "I think (and Allah knows better), that the purpose of his stay was that the women might leave before the men who had finished their prayer. "

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 809:
Narrated Um Salama:
"The Prophet after finishing the prayer with Taslim used to stay at his place for a while." Ibn Shihab said, "I think (and Allah knows better), that he used to wait for the departure of the women who had prayed." Ibn Shihab wrote that he had heard it from Hind bint Al-Harith Al-Firasiya from Um Salama, the wife of the Prophet (Hind was from the companions of Um Salama) who said, "When the Prophet finished the prayer with Taslim, the women would depart and enter their houses before Allah's Apostle departed."

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 825:
Narrated Um Salama:
(the wife of the Prophet) In the lifetime of Allah's Apostle the women used to get up when they finished their compulsory prayers with Taslim. The Prophet and the men would stay on at their places as long as Allah will. When the Prophet got up, the men would then get up.

and there are many hadith related to the above.

Anyway I've said my bit...

 

[Abdul Hasib]

The sisters have the right! They deserve to go to the Masjid!

 

[ShyHijabi]

Jazak Allah sister Samiha,

May Allah grant you mercy and a place in Jennah for helping dpread the knowledge.

Waslaam

~Sarah