Stoning, what is it's position in Islam?

[Mairo]

I saw there are no cutting neck anymore in Iran for punishment of the death penalty. I think cutting neck is the most scarying punishment for death penalty. stoning just nothing if we compare it with cutting neck punishment.

Assalamu aleikum brother,

Regarding your comment above, you may be interested to read this post that was made earlier regarding that type of punishment:

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39054

If we keep away from terrible acts and grave sins, we should have no worry to undergo such punishments. Allah is just, and we should recognize that the punishments that Allah has decried for terrible acts is just. For bad actions there will be a consequence. If you murder someone outside of the constraints of justice it stands to reason that you should expect to pay for that crime with your own life.

However, in recent times we have witnessed the unjust execution (even by beheading) of several individuals and we need to speak out stongly against such acts! The story of journalist Daniel Pearl is such an example, he committed no crime that would justify his being beheaded, at all. And there are others as well. It is really such a tragic loss, and has nothing to do with Islam. It is my sincere hope that people will open their eyes to see the evil actions that are being committed in the name of religion and rectify this type of behavior, turning back to what is right and good and fair and just and equitable.

We should take comfort in knowing the fact that Allah is supremely just, and also remember that Allah loves those who repent, and his mercy outweighs his wrath. So we should always strive to be among those who repent, amending our ways with the people around us, and seeking out Allah for forgiveness.

May Allah always be our guide on the straight path

 

[hassana elkoussi]

:salam2:

1-Stoning and lashing are part of the Islamic Shari'a ( Stoning is mentioned in sunna and lashing is mentioned in Quran)

2-The Shahada on which Islam is based says ( I testify that there is only one God and that Mohammed ( PBUH ) is his Messenger) , so if we only accept Quran and reject what''s stated in sunnah then our shahada is annulled.

3-The acts of stoning and lashing are meant :
a-for purification of the sinners in this dunya so they wouldn't be punished in the Hereafter ( which in itself is an act of mercy )
b- to dissuade other Moslems from committing that grave sin which leads to the dissolution of the Islamic society.

4-Putting this into effect necessitates the presence of FOUR witnesses( The testimony of three will not do )-This is in itself almost impossible and is meant to limit it to a minimum to avoid moslems' sins being exposed and to give the sinners the chance to repent sincerely and , even, to feel the mercy of Allah that He has spared them this punishment and this exposition.

5-It is not AT ALL typical of believers- I mean TRUE believers- to argue about a matter that has been stipulated in both Quran and Sunnah. A true believer would simply say " We listened - Oh Allah - and we obeyed ( your commandments )".Accordingly, it's not characteristic of a true believer to have mercy on these sinners(Surah Al Nour - The Light)
and at the same time, we shouldn't at all look down upon them bec.people subjected to this punishment are purified of their sins.


6-Remember that the SEEMING violence of this act is for your good. It's mainly to protect your mothers, your sisters, your daughters and your wives from zina.

7- Not a BIT of our religion can be regarded as outdated, Our Prophet (PBUH) is the last of all messengers and his message is valid till the day of judgment.If someone suspects this , then we should work on our EEman ( faith)

8-Putting the acts of stoning and lashing into effect is the responsibility of governments, If it's no longer carried out , then the only option left is true repentance and a strong determination not to go back to any of these major sins , which bring about nothing but the wrath of Allah and severe punishment.

9-Ramadan is the month of mercy, forgiveness and release from Hellfire. Seize the moment , it's the perfect timing for our repentance

May Allah swt forgive us all our sins and make us true believers to be able to make his WORD the highest and the most prevailing. :tti_sister:Ameen

 

[NGL11]

:salam2:

1-Stoning and lashing are part of the Islamic Shari'a ( Stoning is mentioned in sunna and lashing is mentioned in Quran)

2-The Shahada on which Islam is based says ( I testify that there is only one God and that Mohammed ( PBUH ) is his Messenger) , so if we only accept Quran and reject what''s stated in sunnah then our shahada is annulled.

3-The acts of stoning and lashing are meant :
a-for purification of the sinners in this dunya so they wouldn't be punished in the Hereafter ( which in itself is an act of mercy )
b- to dissuade other Moslems from committing that grave sin which leads to the dissolution of the Islamic society.

4-Putting this into effect necessitates the presence of FOUR witnesses( The testimony of three will not do )-This is in itself almost impossible and is meant to limit it to a minimum to avoid moslems' sins being exposed and to give the sinners the chance to repent sincerely and , even, to feel the mercy of Allah that He has spared them this punishment and this exposition.

5-It is not AT ALL typical of believers- I mean TRUE believers- to argue about a matter that has been stipulated in both Quran and Sunnah. A true believer would simply say " We listened - Oh Allah - and we obeyed ( your commandments )".Accordingly, it's not characteristic of a true believer to have mercy on these sinners(Surah Al Nour - The Light)
and at the same time, we shouldn't at all look down upon them bec.people subjected to this punishment are purified of their sins.


6-Remember that the SEEMING violence of this act is for your good. It's mainly to protect your mothers, your sisters, your daughters and your wives from zina.

7- Not a BIT of our religion can be regarded as outdated, Our Prophet (PBUH) is the last of all messengers and his message is valid till the day of judgment.If someone suspects this , then we should work on our EEman ( faith)

8-Putting the acts of stoning and lashing into effect is the responsibility of governments, If it's no longer carried out , then the only option left is true repentance and a strong determination not to go back to any of these major sins , which bring about nothing but the wrath of Allah and severe punishment.

9-Ramadan is the month of mercy, forgiveness and release from Hellfire. Seize the moment , it's the perfect timing for our repentance

May Allah swt forgive us all our sins and make us true believers to be able to make his WORD the highest and the most prevailing. :tti_sister:Ameen

Yes I agree but you also have 2 remember that the Prophet (P) himself showed mercy and forgiveness to a lot of people who committed heinous acts against him or the community. Even though I agree adultery is a very shameful act and a veyr hurtful one it also has to be said that if that person who has committed that deed sincerely repented and devotes his life to Allah through good acts and deeds then in some cases that person should be forgiven but the spouse should have the right to file for divorce and take custody of the children if they have any.

 

[nounlu]

:salam2:


Volume 8, Book 82, Number 826:
Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid:
Two men had a dispute in the presence of Allah's Apostle. One of them said, "Judge us according to Allah's Laws." The other who was more wise said, "Yes, Allah's Apostle, judge us according to Allah's Laws and allow me to speak (first)" The Prophet said to him, 'Speak " He said, "My son was a laborer for this man, and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife, and the people told me that my son should be stoned to death, but I have given one-hundred sheep and a slave girl as a ransom (expiation) for my son's sin. Then I asked the religious learned people (about It), and they told me that my son should he flogged one-hundred stripes and should be exiled for one year, and only the wife of this man should be stoned to death " Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, I will judge you according to Allah's Laws: O man, as for your sheep and slave girl, they are to be returned to you." Then the Prophet had the man's son flogged one hundred stripes and exiled for one year, and ordered Unais Al-Aslami to go to the wife of the other man, and if she confessed, stone her to death. She confessed and was stoned to death.

Here's a question. Why didn't Prophet Muhammed SAWS immediately order the man to free the slave girl? Isn't it against Islam to have slaves?

 

[Rashadi]

Iran often gains particular coverage for it's regular use of stoning as a mode of execution.

What is the scholarly view on this?. I had been told that the prophet, p.b.u.h. opposed such?.

I'd appreciate information.

Thanks
S

Salaam Aleykom sister, if you understand Islamic sharia and Islam in general, you'll come to understand the punishments and laws as well. First of all, Islam is not a mere religion, and especially not one of just 'don't do this" or "don't do that" but is a complete and perfect way of life from our Almighty Creator. He is our maker, our Lord and He is perfect, therefore, his laws are best. Islam is opposite of the man made systems and it is there to have a successful society. Unlike in secular societies where one is nearly encouraged to do evil yet has all the opportunities and later face the punishment, Islam has the tools to prevent the crime from taking place to begin with. Once you come to understand Islam better, you'll realize how perfect it is and wise Allah really is.

The punishment for adultery may sound harsh at first but it is not at all when one begins to understand how it works. First, marriage is an act of worship in Islam and one of the things it does is prevent fornication and adultery. Then, a under Islamic sharia, there is no meeting in secret or in private alone between a male and female whom one is capable of marrying. In other words, unless it is your wife, mother, daughter, sister, aunt, etc, one has no business being alone with her or else trouble will occur. There is a an authentic hadeeth in which our Prophet(saaws) said that never is a male and female alone with one another except that they are accompanied by a third(devil). So marriage is an act of worship, one is encouraged to get married and it helps avoid adultery and fornication. Of course the punishment of stoning could not be applied to a secular society in which illegal sex is totally allowed and even promoted. It won't work in a place where there are bars, clubs, strip clubs, escort service, boy friend girl friend, dating etc.

It only works if the sharia is implemented and one lives in such society. So the punishment for adultery is stoning but there are a lot of conditions required. First there has to be proof. 4 witnesses and a confession on behalf of the accused. I am sorry but if one was foolish enough to commit adultery and allow him/herself to be caught by 4 witnesses, he deserves it. Not only is the person married, and is to observe the sharia that a male and female that is strange to one another is not allowed to be alone, yet the person went out of the way, committed adultery and allowed themselves to be caught, who can one blame. Keep in mind that Allah is watching so even if the person is not caught, Allah is watching.

If a true Muslim is that brave to go out of the way and commit adultery, he/she deserve to be punished. The harsh punishment is there to avoid the filthy act from taking place and if Islam is properly implemented, it wouldn't be a problem because one would have a decent society. So the punishment has to be put in proper context, and it doesn't apply to a society in which dirty things are allowed and suddenly you stone them. That is not how it works but there is a legal court procedure, there has to be proper evidence, witnesses, confession, etc. One can't just say "hey I saw him do adultery" and suddenly pick up stones and kill. That is Hollywood and this the image that the Islam haters try to paint but it's all propaganda. How could our merciful Creator be that harsh and not wise? Does that sound like the most wise? Do you believe that a human can be more wise than Allah(swt)? I hope not. The punishments have to be put in context.

There has to be an Islamic state and society. sharia has to be the law of the land and only then could it be implemented. There are currently no Islamic states so what people do can't be termed "Islamic". having a totally secular society with a predominant Muslim population and then implementing a dictator on it while calling it "Islamic" does not mean anything. There has to be a sharia based society and land. The sharia has to be implemented and observed and if anyone goes out of the way after that and commits adultery, such person can really not blame anyone but themselves. Why would a married person go and sleep with someone else when the person is a believer, we are ordered to lower our gaze, observe modesty and fear God? It would be absurd for a true believer to do such a filthy thing, and especially for a male who can have more than one wife if he can be fair and just.

The same goes for cutting off the hand of a thief. Thi9s does not apply to a person who has a starving family, and steals a loaf of bread. that is Hollywood again trying make people look stupid. That is why zakat and sadaqa is for. furthermore, the prophet(saaws) said "every child of Adam is entitled to three things, food, clothing and shelter". If anyone after all this goes and steals from others, such person again deserves the punishment but these punishments rarely happen because people behave. Even since the time of Rasullulah(saaws) until now, one will hardly find a handful of cases where people were stoned for adultery because it either didn't happen hardly ever or the person was not caught.

Islam is perfect and offers solutions. unlike the bible which offers no solutions yet says "don't do adultery" the Quran says "don't even go no where near adultery" and why do you thing it says so? It is because it offers a system and tools to avoid this from happening in first place. One has to really over step all limits and go out of the way to do adultery, rape, or theft. The rate of rape, sexual harassment, sexual assault and other bad crimes are ridiculous in the U.S and other societies yet there are no solutions for them. The rapist goes to jail, comes back out and does more crimes, same for the rest. However, I bet anyone that it would not be the case if the sharia was implemented and people knew their rights and limits. Of course it would be absurd to stone someone in America for adultery when it is allowed, acceptable and even encouraged in many cases. However, it be a different story if it were a Muslim society with Sharia correctly and fully implemented.

When one understands everything in context, it starts making sense and one will see how Wise really Allah is and how perfect his deen is. There are currently no Islamic states and governments so it would be pointless to even mention it but we have to still implement Islam into our lives and follow the sharia as individuals regardless if e are in Somalia or London.

I hope I was able to help clarify this topic for you and may Allah increase our iman, understanding and guide us all to the straight path, ameen

 

[arzafar]

:salam2:

i agree with the punishment. those who saying it's too strict are deluded. can you imagine being raped? how it can destroy you phycologically and that may never heal? will you ever be able to live and enjoy a happy family life? Will she ever be able to marry?

Rapists should be stoned to death in public so that it serves as an example to men/women to lower their gaze and control their emotions! and people throwing stones at the rapist signifies hate towards rape and the rapist and empathy towards the victim.

However, i have never understood why the punishment for rape and adultery is applied to both the man and woman. in adultery both the man and woman should be punished as they are doing it with consent. But in rape, shouldnt only the aggressor (either the man or woman) be punished?
Please anyone what is the islamic ruling on this?

 

[hana*]

stoning is only to happen if that particular society obeys complete shariah law i.e now mixing with the sexes, hijab for women, lowering of the gaze for both men and women. no country obeys complete shariah except maybe saudi in this case stoning would never be carried out. the case of stoning only happened once in the time of the prophet peace be upon him and that was when the adulterer came to the prophet peace be upon him several times saying that she wanted to be purified from this sin by stoning

waalaikumasalam

 

[Mabsoot]

:salam2:

i agree with the punishment. those who saying it's too strict are deluded. can you imagine being raped? how it can destroy you phycologically and that may never heal? will you ever be able to live and enjoy a happy family life? Will she ever be able to marry?

Rapists should be stoned to death in public so that it serves as an example to men/women to lower their gaze and control their emotions! and people throwing stones at the rapist signifies hate towards rape and the rapist and empathy towards the victim.

However, i have never understood why the punishment for rape and adultery is applied to both the man and woman. in adultery both the man and woman should be punished as they are doing it with consent. But in rape, shouldnt only the aggressor (either the man or woman) be punished?
Please anyone what is the islamic ruling on this?

Assalamu alaykum,

In Islam, only the Rapist gets punished. The Victim does not.

Often people cite various countries like Iran for "shariah", and there are many wrong things that these countries do under the name of Islam.

So, we should keep to using what is from the Qur'an and the Hadith, and beware of simply taking what people do, as something to do with Islam.

 

[Tarascon]

Assalamu alaykum,

In Islam, only the Rapist gets punished. The Victim does not.

Often people cite various countries like Iran for "shariah", and there are many wrong things that these countries do under the name of Islam.

So, we should keep to using what is from the Qur'an and the Hadith, and beware of simply taking what people do, as something to do with Islam.

Look, Sir.
With my respect:
You say:
In Islam, only the Rapist gets punished. The Victim does not.
I do not understant why you mention that. It is not obvious?
The tradition of Stoning doesn't fit today anymore. An Adulterous Woman is not always guilty. Sometimes the husband is.
T

 

[arzafar]

Look, Sir.
With my respect:
You say:
In Islam, only the Rapist gets punished. The Victim does not.
I do not understant why you mention that. It is not obvious?
The tradition of Stoning doesn't fit today anymore. An Adulterous Woman is not always guilty. Sometimes the husband is.
T

maybe i havent understood you but i think you're trying to justify cheating???
if a woman is not satisfied by her husband, she should tell him so. if things dont improve she can ask for divorce.
cheating cannot be justified ever!

 

[weakslave]

I just want to say two things dear brothers and sisters:

- Allaah made this religion perfect. Alhamdulilah there are people who understand many things in the religion.
- If there is something in the religion you do not understand, it is best you try and learn more. Giving your opinion can you lead you to grave punishment from Allaah. Allaah is the Supreme and the Powerful, and you can be 100% certain that He will punish those who introduce their opinion in the religion.

The Ahaadeeth, Alhamdulilaah people better than any of us here dedicated their lives to seperating the authentic ahaadeeth from the weak ones. Do you think Allaah will allow us to live with a faulty Sunnaah? The sunaah of Mohammad is perfect, and its preservation has been perfect. Why do you think ahaadeeth are classified as weak and authentic?

Allaah the All-High says:

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَاللّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."


And Allaah the Most Just says:

لَا تَجْعَلُوا دُعَاء الرَّسُولِ بَيْنَكُمْ كَدُعَاء بَعْضِكُم بَعْضًا قَدْ يَعْلَمُ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ يَتَسَلَّلُونَ مِنكُمْ لِوَاذًا فَلْيَحْذَرِ الَّذِينَ يُخَالِفُونَ عَنْ أَمْرِهِ أَن تُصِيبَهُمْ فِتْنَةٌ أَوْ يُصِيبَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ

Do not make [your] calling of the Messenger among yourselves as the call of one of you to another. Already Allah knows those of you who slip away, concealed by others. So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet’s order, lest fitnah strike them or a painful punishment.

Alhamdulilaah everything has been made clear. If it is not clear to you, that is another thing. May Allaah guide all those who work to find the truth, to the truth.

 

[muslim10012]

Thats what I meant to say , sorry I was in a rush and I saw the word Iran, and it really bothered me since this is an Islamic forum and Iran shouldn't be associated with the words "Islamic" or even "Muslim"

salam , I agree iran is not a good country , their religion is not so pure , so we must pay attention when dealing with them especially in religious things
:ma:

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2: everybody

alot of ppl got to say alot of things about shiaas and iran.i think muslims

should set their differences aside and concerntrate on the fate of ummah.

we treat them like kaffars and they think we are going astray

isn't it enough for both of us that we are muslims and work together and

leave the rest for ALLAH to judge.:shymuslima1:

 

[superbro]

why does a person have to die for commiting adultery. Can't the adulterer ask for forgiveness and be forgiven by Allah and carry on living there lifes as a good muslim.

Is stoning a punishment for other crimes as well like stealing etc..

 

[drmoka]

once, a married man went to his house then he found his wife with another man in a sexual intercourse what he will do
well, if a wife went to her house then she found her husband with another woman in a sexual intercourse what she will do
i want everyone to imagine this feeling
i donnot think that he will encourage them ,become a fan nor share with them :angryred:
1st thing he will kill both

in humanity there is 2 dangerous desires ( abdomen(food) & genitals(sex)) that man should control them well, so allah make us to fast ramadan so as we can make control of this 2 desires
sex is very important for continuity of human being,so allah make the least thing make attraction between male & female just by your eye when you look at a woman & she looks at you both will be attracted to each others

so what will happen if humans donnot control this desire,if it happened we will be converted into animals which cannot control their desires,you will see people naked in public places,some in sexual intercourse exactly as animas ,but also more than animals ,homosexuality will be developed
well what is the result, dangerous diseases are developed as syphyllis & when penicillin was discovered to cure syphyllis , AIDS was developed & both are fatal diseases & spread from one to another so it is dangerous for whole community not for the individual only so man who is admitted to this actions will expose all community to death

so what is the cure (a man & a woman )should limit this desire by marriage & before marriage he should keep fasting as prophet(pbuh) told the man who told him that he cannot marry at that time due to his bad financial condition

well if someone is married & he committed zina(illegal sexual intercourse) although he can empty his desire legally with his wife, this man expose all community to danger also he had a sexual intercourse with a woman without permission of her family so they want to kill him

i think that no solution can be found except extraction of this man from this community to safe the others,so he will be killed (& that is what allah want us to make) but we want others who cannot control their desires to take attention & be scared from that (as one of members said that he was scared when he saw video of stoning brother hellbraker page2) so allah make us to kill them in a very difficult & very harmful way that make others be scared & make everyone think million time before admitting zina, so stoning is the best & most effective solution
but killing of a human in islam is not an easy thing so allah make rules for that

1_he or she should be married as he or she has a legal way to empty the desire

2_4 witnesses should be found

3_he or she must have a knowledge about that as was mentioned that a woman at era of omar ibn el khatab admitted zina & when he asked here why she did that she said bcoz i founded him Sweet so i admitted zina with him so saidna omar known that she was new muslim & didnot know about zina or stoning so he forgives here after giving her a knowledge

4_if not married not killed coz he hasnnot legal way to terminate his desire

5_this applied for muslims & non muslims as it danger whole community as mentioned above

6_What happened was that Maa'iz had committed zina (fornication) and had come to the Prophet saying, "O Messenger of Allah, I have committed Zina!" Rasul Allah sal Allaahu alayhi wa sallam avoided him so that perhaps Maa'iz would desist and save himself from the punishment, but Maa'iz kept stepping in the face of Allah's Messenger and repeated, "I committed zina! I committed zina!"

When Maa'iz had said it again and again, Allah's Messenger sal Allaahu alayhi wa sallam asked him a series of questions. "Are you mad?"

“No.”

“Are you intoxicated (and he requested someone to smell his breath)?”

“No.”

“Did you enter her?”

“Yes.”

Allah's Messenger then asked him slowly, "What do you want from all this?"

And Maa'iz said, "I want you to purify me!"
(why Maa'iz wanted that &also how prophet was merciful with him
Sooooooo stoning is a merciful to human being so our prophet(pbuh) applied it in his community as allah gives order to him
my dear brother all of us has a very little experience in life & we judge orders from a very little view & also we have a very little knowledge about sunnah & how to understand properly & its application so be patient
Sooooooo stoning is a merciful to human being so our prophet(pbuh) applied it in his community as allah gives order to him
human should be different from animals by controlling their desires & using their minds

 

[arzafar]

why does a person have to die for commiting adultery. Can't the adulterer ask for forgiveness and be forgiven by Allah and carry on living there lifes as a good muslim.

Is stoning a punishment for other crimes as well like stealing etc..

that can be applied to any and everything. Somebody might blow up a whole town and not be punished because he maybe forgiven by Allah.

The purpose of strict punishment is to ensure a low crime rate. when the people know that, if they're caught they'll be stoned to death, they will think a million times before committing adultery.